Re: CNN, a real disappointment

[Guest guest]

It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this morning with Dr.

Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the Autism Society

Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the program that Mr.

Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board to ASA.

There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-mailed in and

those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote was about ABA

- it is effective and supported by the research and is expensive. It was a

little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much treatment is and by

Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously, Dr. Gupta did not

do his research.

Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in automobiles.

This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the cause which was

stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines that contained

thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated that there was no

research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again, no one is

doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass, Haley, Grier,

Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this country who believe in

the

vaccine connection.

Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be talked about

for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman about autism rates

where she stated that it was not epidemic.

Kathy in VA

[Guest guest]

Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

About new cars smell - could be something reasonable in it? May be,

the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

bought 2 new cars in 2000.

Margaret

> It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this

morning with Dr.

> Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the

Autism Society

> Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the program

that Mr.

> Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board to

ASA.

>

> There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-

mailed in and

> those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

>

> The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote

was about ABA

> - it is effective and supported by the research and is expensive.

It was a

> little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much

treatment is and by

> Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously, Dr.

Gupta did not

> do his research.

>

> Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

automobiles.

> This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the

cause which was

> stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines

that contained

> thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated that

there was no

> research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again, no

one is

> doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass,

Haley, Grier,

> Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this country

who believe in the

> vaccine connection.

>

> Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be

talked about

> for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman about

autism rates

> where she stated that it was not epidemic.

>

> Kathy in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

caused by new car smells ???

sorry confused on this one as I don't drive and my kids have only been in a car

MAYBE 5 times ever.

we take public transportation, the bus.

[ ] Re: CNN, a real disappointment

Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

About new cars smell - could be something reasonable in it? May be,

the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

bought 2 new cars in 2000.

Margaret

> It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this

morning with Dr.

> Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the

Autism Society

> Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the program

that Mr.

> Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board to

ASA.

>

> There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-

mailed in and

> those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

>

> The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote

was about ABA

> - it is effective and supported by the research and is expensive.

It was a

> little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much

treatment is and by

> Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously, Dr.

Gupta did not

> do his research.

>

> Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

automobiles.

> This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the

cause which was

> stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines

that contained

> thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated that

there was no

> research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again, no

one is

> doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass,

Haley, Grier,

> Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this country

who believe in the

> vaccine connection.

>

> Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be

talked about

> for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman about

autism rates

> where she stated that it was not epidemic.

>

> Kathy in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is there a link yet to this stupid discussion?

Daisybaby <daisybaby@...> wrote:caused by new car smells ???

sorry confused on this one as I don't drive and my kids have only been in a car

MAYBE 5 times ever.

we take public transportation, the bus.

[ ] Re: CNN, a real disappointment

Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

About new cars smell - could be something reasonable in it? May be,

the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

bought 2 new cars in 2000.

Margaret

> It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this

morning with Dr.

> Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the

Autism Society

> Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the program

that Mr.

> Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board to

ASA.

>

> There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-

mailed in and

> those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

>

> The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote

was about ABA

> - it is effective and supported by the research and is expensive.

It was a

> little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much

treatment is and by

> Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously, Dr.

Gupta did not

> do his research.

>

> Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

automobiles.

> This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the

cause which was

> stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines

that contained

> thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated that

there was no

> research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again, no

one is

> doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass,

Haley, Grier,

> Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this country

who believe in the

> vaccine connection.

>

> Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be

talked about

> for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman about

autism rates

> where she stated that it was not epidemic.

>

> Kathy in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Dear ,

Responses have been posted on other groups - can't seem to find any

other links I came across earlier....

Click the following to access the sent link:

CNN.com - Researchers: No mercury, autism link - Sep. 2, 2003*

CNN.com will expire this article on 10/02/2003.

*This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire

address below into your web browser.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/09/02/mercury.autism.ap/index.html

-- In , teresa <redhead60707@y...>

wrote:

> Is there a link yet to this stupid discussion?

>

> Daisybaby <daisybaby@s...> wrote:caused by new car smells ???

>

> sorry confused on this one as I don't drive and my kids have only

been in a car MAYBE 5 times ever.

> we take public transportation, the bus.

> [ ] Re: CNN, a real disappointment

>

>

> Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

> About new cars smell - could be something reasonable in it? May

be,

> the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

> just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

> explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

> bought 2 new cars in 2000.

> Margaret

>

> > It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this

> morning with Dr.

> > Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the

> Autism Society

> > Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the

program

> that Mr.

> > Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board

to

> ASA.

> >

> > There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-

> mailed in and

> > those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

> >

> > The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote

> was about ABA

> > - it is effective and supported by the research and is

expensive.

> It was a

> > little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much

> treatment is and by

> > Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously,

Dr.

> Gupta did not

> > do his research.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

> automobiles.

> > This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the

> cause which was

> > stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines

> that contained

> > thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated

that

> there was no

> > research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again,

no

> one is

> > doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass,

> Haley, Grier,

> > Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this

country

> who believe in the

> > vaccine connection.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be

> talked about

> > for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman

about

> autism rates

> > where she stated that it was not epidemic.

> >

> > Kathy in VA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, I can blow his theory out of the water. At 32 yrs old I've

never owned a new car and probably never will. My kids wouldn't know

a new car smell from doggy poo. Although, they would know doggy poo,

lol.

I thought the CNN thing was a joke, but at least autism was in the

news again.

Debi

> Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

automobiles.

> This was stated 4 times.

[Guest guest]

--In some people, new car smell can help a person develop autism by

contributing to the already toxic overload. New cars, expecially the

vinyls, exude phenols and other toxins into the air, which our

children breathe. Albert

- In , " Debi " <fightingautism@y...>

wrote:

> Well, I can blow his theory out of the water. At 32 yrs old I've

> never owned a new car and probably never will. My kids wouldn't

know

> a new car smell from doggy poo. Although, they would know doggy

poo,

> lol.

>

> I thought the CNN thing was a joke, but at least autism was in the

> news again.

>

> Debi

>

>

> > Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

> automobiles.

> > This was stated 4 times.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/7/2003 9:34:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

sawyera@... writes:

> May be,the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

> >just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

> >explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

> >bought 2 new cars in 2000.

>

I think it is a combination of glues, plastics, vinyls, carpet, upholstery

treatments all gassing off. I can't get 10' of a new car......because of the

chemical fumes coming out of them. I can't tolerate a car less than 3-4 years

old, because of the mixture of chemicals gassing off.

[Guest guest]

Sorry its more crap[scapegoating ] the REAL cause. I

NEVER BOUGHT a new car . I do though notice my son had

147mcg of mercury in the first 4 mo. of life

--- teresa <redhead60707@...> wrote:

> Is there a link yet to this stupid discussion?

>

>

> Daisybaby <daisybaby@...> wrote:caused by

> new car smells ???

>

> sorry confused on this one as I don't drive and my

> kids have only been in a car MAYBE 5 times ever.

> we take public transportation, the bus.

> [ ] Re: CNN, a real

> disappointment

>

>

> Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

> About new cars smell - could be something

> reasonable in it? May be,

> the new cars are deodorized with some harmful

> chemical, or it was

> just something against car industry? Does anybody

> know? Did they

> explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in

> 1999, and we

> bought 2 new cars in 2000.

> Margaret

>

> > It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend

> Housecall this

> morning with Dr.

> > Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr.

> Holmes as the

> Autism Society

> > Association but it is not until the last 5

> minutes of the program

> that Mr.

> > Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an

> advisory board to

> ASA.

> >

> > There were tons of commericals and the questions

> that were e-

> mailed in and

> > those taken by phone were picked very

> selectively.

> >

> > The only question that Mr. Holmes answered

> correctly in my vote

> was about ABA

> > - it is effective and supported by the research

> and is expensive.

> It was a

> > little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out

> at how much

> treatment is and by

> > Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime.

> Obviously, Dr.

> Gupta did not

> > do his research.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW

> CAR SMELL in

> automobiles.

> > This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines

> were not the

> cause which was

> > stated 3 times; however, both told parents not

> to get vaccines

> that contained

> > thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what???

> They both stated that

> there was no

> > research supporting the vaccines connection -

> obviously again, no

> one is

> > doing their homework - we have the work of Drs.

> Pendergrass,

> Haley, Grier,

> > Bradstreet and then there is at least 300

> doctors in this country

> who believe in the

> > vaccine connection.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and

> said it will be

> talked about

> > for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC

> spokeswoman about

> autism rates

> > where she stated that it was not epidemic.

> >

> > Kathy in VA

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it is unfortunate that HOlmes only gave THAT new car issue as

an example... I think he should have discussed neuro-toxins in

general and given a list of examples instead of just that one,

because obviously it is being taken too literally. The same can be

said about carpeting in workplaces, off-gassing from particle board

furniture-- for pete's sake-- my office got a new phone system and

telephones and I swear that stupid phone was poisoning me in my

office. It REEKED of a strong plastic chemical smell and when I had

to take a call, it was making me woozy. Anyway, I'm not defending

Holmes, just saying that I understand the point he was trying to

make... lots of us are being affected by chemicals, however, if we

didn't have the mercury burden, we'd probably be better able to deal

with chemical exposures than what we are right now.

I also am a bit disapointed that he advised parents to ask for the

mmr without mercury-- to my knowledge, it NEVER contained mercury

right? So it makes him lose a little credibility... maybe he meant

to say give it away from any OTHER shots that might contain mercury,

but I don't know--the transcript doesn't really tell it that way.

W

[Guest guest]

Maybe now the automobile industry will retaliate by supporting real research

into the damage that thimerosal and/or the MMR vaccine has done to our

children. They don't want people to stop buying new cars b/c they're afraid

they cause autism (especially if they're going to be blamed for the 400-800%

rise in Autism rates in the last 10-20 years)! That can't be good for the

new car business!

[ ] Re: CNN, a real disappointment

> Gupta - was it Dr. Sudhir Gupta or somebody else?

> About new cars smell - could be something reasonable in it? May be,

> the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or it was

> just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

> explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

> bought 2 new cars in 2000.

> Margaret

>

> > It was a real disappointment to watch Weekend Housecall this

> morning with Dr.

> > Gupta and Holmes. Dr. Gupta presented Mr. Holmes as the

> Autism Society

> > Association but it is not until the last 5 minutes of the program

> that Mr.

> > Holmes corrects Dr. Gupta that he serves on an advisory board to

> ASA.

> >

> > There were tons of commericals and the questions that were e-

> mailed in and

> > those taken by phone were picked very selectively.

> >

> > The only question that Mr. Holmes answered correctly in my vote

> was about ABA

> > - it is effective and supported by the research and is expensive.

> It was a

> > little amusing to see Dr. Gupta's eyes bug-out at how much

> treatment is and by

> > Mr. Holmes' comment that this is the real crime. Obviously, Dr.

> Gupta did not

> > do his research.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes alleged that autism was caused by NEW CAR SMELL in

> automobiles.

> > This was stated 4 times. Dr. Gupta said vaccines were not the

> cause which was

> > stated 3 times; however, both told parents not to get vaccines

> that contained

> > thimerosal - is this an oxymoron or what??? They both stated that

> there was no

> > research supporting the vaccines connection - obviously again, no

> one is

> > doing their homework - we have the work of Drs. Pendergrass,

> Haley, Grier,

> > Bradstreet and then there is at least 300 doctors in this country

> who believe in the

> > vaccine connection.

> >

> > Mr. Holmes mentioned the Newsweek article and said it will be

> talked about

> > for months. Dr. Gupta showed a clip of the a CDC spokeswoman about

> autism rates

> > where she stated that it was not epidemic.

> >

> > Kathy in VA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A lot of new cars were also sprayed with a fabric protectant just

prior to you taking them out of the showroom. So think about that--

a barely dry chemical freshly sprayed all over the upholstery and

carpet in your car, then you drive it out within about an hour of

them doing this. It was usually an add-on fee that you had to elect

to have done to your car, but I suppose it's possible that they

sprayed this regardless of whether or not you paid for it. It either

was, or was similar to, Scotchguard, which has had a lot of problems

associated with it. Yes, we got a new car while I was pregnant with

Ethan, and got another new car when he was a couple of months old.

But, I also was a clean fiend back then too and used to use all kinds

of nasty cleaners in the house, and even after he was born I would

clean the bathroom and house and use orange-oil on all the furniture

on a WEEKLY basis. (Was I out of my mind or what?? What I can't get

over is how much ENERGY I used to have as compared to now, 7 years

later). Anyway, whether it's new cars, or the stuff they spray on

the furniture, or polyester clothing, carpet cleaners, etc. there's a

lot of stuff that could have affected our children.

W

> In a message dated 9/7/2003 9:34:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

> sawyera@a... writes:

>

> > May be,the new cars are deodorized with some harmful chemical, or

it was

> > >just something against car industry? Does anybody know? Did they

> > >explain it somehow? My son with autism was born in 1999, and we

> > >bought 2 new cars in 2000.

> >

>

> I think it is a combination of glues, plastics, vinyls, carpet,

upholstery

> treatments all gassing off