Re: Need help with enzyme question, PLEASE!!

[Guest guest]

In DeFelice's book, she explains that the capsules that the enzymes come

in is the key for the time to be taking enzymes. Enzymes need to be in the

stomach at the same time as the food. Gel caps disolve fast and the enzyme will

be availabe right away. However veggie capsules take longer to disolve up to 20

or more minutes, therefore you would need to take them at least 20 minutes prior

to start your meal.

If the child can tolerate the smell, you could open the capsule and sprinkle on

the food.

My son can smell it a mile away and that is no negotiation, he will not take it,

so I place the powder on gel caps and he takes just before his meal or snack.

So just check your enzymes to see what kind of caps you have.

Need help with enzyme question, PLEASE!!

> My son is 3 and has been on Enzyme Complete DPP IV for a year now. I

> was thinking of ordering Houston's No Fenol to help digest the

> fenols. My question is would I use this to replace the Enzyme

> Complete or use it in addition? I was also wondering which No Fenol

> to purchase. There is one with cellose and one with rice bran, which

> one? Thank you.

> and Kurtis(SCD 3 months, PDD)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

that advice is not correct, i don't know why karen persists with it

you have to undertsand that with the exception of products like no

fenol and candex which contain no proteases and therefore do not self

consume............

that enzymes are 300% or more efficent sprinkled on the food

you get the hang of sprinkling to minimise impact

another option is also just to tip the enzymes directly from the

capsule down the back of the throat after the meal

i presume that if you were worried about un-denatured milk protiens

getting across the gut that it might be best to tip enzymes directly

down the throat immeadiately before hand

phenol assist doesn't work, its a bad copy of houstonni's no fenol,

its absolutely disgraceful the way kirkmans have a policy of copying

other companies successful products, but they do it so badly that

they are the losers.

all of the kirkmans enzymes are bad copies of the houstonni products

www.houstonni.com

the rice bran filler is best imo

> In DeFelice's book, she explains that the capsules that the

enzymes come in is the key for the time to be taking enzymes. Enzymes

need to be in the stomach at the same time as the food. Gel caps

disolve fast and the enzyme will be availabe right away. However

veggie capsules take longer to disolve up to 20 or more minutes,

therefore you would need to take them at least 20 minutes prior to

start your meal.

> If the child can tolerate the smell, you could open the capsule and

sprinkle on the food.

> My son can smell it a mile away and that is no negotiation, he will

not take it, so I place the powder on gel caps and he takes just

before his meal or snack.

> So just check your enzymes to see what kind of caps you have.

>

> Need help with enzyme question, PLEASE!!

>

>

> > My son is 3 and has been on Enzyme Complete DPP IV for a year

now. I

> > was thinking of ordering Houston's No Fenol to help digest the

> > fenols. My question is would I use this to replace the Enzyme

> > Complete or use it in addition? I was also wondering which No

Fenol

> > to purchase. There is one with cellose and one with rice bran,

which

> > one? Thank you.

> > and Kurtis(SCD 3 months, PDD)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>>> you have to undertsand that with the exception of products like

no fenol and candex which contain no proteases and therefore do not

self consume............

Only some proteases break down other enzymes. That is the art and

skill of what an expert enzyme formulator and developer does. Knowing

which ones will prey on its neighbors. I don't know the ins and outs

of it as it takes a while to learn. You can't tell by looking at the

label. And how the enzymes are 'raised and harvested' has something

to do with it. That is why some products work seriously better than

other although the labels don't look that much different.

>>>> that enzymes are 300% or more efficent sprinkled on the food

Sprinkling and mixing in food guarantees the enzymes are in contact

with the food and at work. For some this makes a difference and for

others it doesn't.

>>>> another option is also just to tip the enzymes directly from the

> capsule down the back of the throat after the meal

or before the meal would work

or some people loosen the capsule nearly the whole way before

swallowing

or someone mentioned poking holes in the capsule with a pin to speed

things up

or I would put the enzymes in gelatin capsules in the beginning (but

didn't bother after the first 6 months)

or use a syringe to squirt mixed enzymes down the throat

....etc.

[Guest guest]

i know devins view is that enzymes are highly specific but i live on

the blurr )

on the edges all this non specific stuff happnes

thats where i get the super high gain to keep me functional

the proof of the pudding is i am surviving and going forward

cognitively and those who have rejected what i say which of course

are most of the moms on these boards are going backwards or barely

keeping pace

so in the end i can see i am winning

one of the big mistakes some of the early moms on enzymes and autism

made was dropping enzymes asap because of the cost

wrong way to go

unless you have used the enzymes for years and currently you lose

touch

when you really understand something you don't have to say well " for

some it makes a difference and for others it doesn't "

beats me why parents prefer to go backwards or barely keep pace

rather than think or explore

unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the worse, if

they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick

th

> >>>> you have to undertsand that with the exception of products

like

> no fenol and candex which contain no proteases and therefore do not

> self consume............

>

> Only some proteases break down other enzymes. That is the art and

> skill of what an expert enzyme formulator and developer does.

Knowing

> which ones will prey on its neighbors. I don't know the ins and

outs

> of it as it takes a while to learn. You can't tell by looking at

the

> label. And how the enzymes are 'raised and harvested' has something

> to do with it. That is why some products work seriously better than

> other although the labels don't look that much different.

>

>

> >>>> that enzymes are 300% or more efficent sprinkled on the food

>

> Sprinkling and mixing in food guarantees the enzymes are in contact

> with the food and at work. For some this makes a difference and for

> others it doesn't.

>

>

> >>>> another option is also just to tip the enzymes directly from

the

> > capsule down the back of the throat after the meal

>

> or before the meal would work

> or some people loosen the capsule nearly the whole way before

> swallowing

> or someone mentioned poking holes in the capsule with a pin to

speed

> things up

> or I would put the enzymes in gelatin capsules in the beginning

(but

> didn't bother after the first 6 months)

> or use a syringe to squirt mixed enzymes down the throat

> ...etc.

[Guest guest]

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" unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the worse, if

they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick "

Why?

You are so blessed to be so bright and function well. What about a little

shaver who cannot talk, reason, pay attention, communicate, etc. as you do?

Why is it not good for their moms to want to give them a chance at future

independence, safety, and good health by chelating the horrible mercury

and/or other toxins out of them?

Re: Need help with enzyme question, PLEASE!!

>

> i know devins view is that enzymes are highly specific but i live on

> the blurr )

>

> on the edges all this non specific stuff happnes

>

> thats where i get the super high gain to keep me functional

>

> the proof of the pudding is i am surviving and going forward

> cognitively and those who have rejected what i say which of course

> are most of the moms on these boards are going backwards or barely

> keeping pace

>

> so in the end i can see i am winning

>

> one of the big mistakes some of the early moms on enzymes and autism

> made was dropping enzymes asap because of the cost

>

> wrong way to go

>

> unless you have used the enzymes for years and currently you lose

> touch

>

> when you really understand something you don't have to say well " for

> some it makes a difference and for others it doesn't "

>

> beats me why parents prefer to go backwards or barely keep pace

> rather than think or explore

>

> unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the worse, if

> they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick

>

>

>

> th

> > >>>> you have to undertsand that with the exception of products

> like

> > no fenol and candex which contain no proteases and therefore do not

> > self consume............

> >

> > Only some proteases break down other enzymes. That is the art and

> > skill of what an expert enzyme formulator and developer does.

> Knowing

> > which ones will prey on its neighbors. I don't know the ins and

> outs

> > of it as it takes a while to learn. You can't tell by looking at

> the

> > label. And how the enzymes are 'raised and harvested' has something

> > to do with it. That is why some products work seriously better than

> > other although the labels don't look that much different.

> >

> >

> > >>>> that enzymes are 300% or more efficent sprinkled on the food

> >

> > Sprinkling and mixing in food guarantees the enzymes are in contact

> > with the food and at work. For some this makes a difference and for

> > others it doesn't.

> >

> >

> > >>>> another option is also just to tip the enzymes directly from

> the

> > > capsule down the back of the throat after the meal

> >

> > or before the meal would work

> > or some people loosen the capsule nearly the whole way before

> > swallowing

> > or someone mentioned poking holes in the capsule with a pin to

> speed

> > things up

> > or I would put the enzymes in gelatin capsules in the beginning

> (but

> > didn't bother after the first 6 months)

> > or use a syringe to squirt mixed enzymes down the throat

> > ...etc.

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

well

well

well

what can i say if you don't read what i write or attempt to

understand what i am saying?

a couple of years ago i looked at chelation but it was very

observable how cognitively impaired chelated adults were compared to

mercury toxic ones

that is chelation destroyed the brain in a way that plain mercury

toxicty did not

the reason is that the only substance that binds tightly with mercury

is selenium and all the rest 'sort of' tightly, that is they pick up

and drop the mercury again

this phenomenum i call 'mobilisation kinetics', that is the mercury

is given enough energy to do HEAPS and HEAPS of damage on the way out

why do you think elaine is against it, theres nothing new about

chelation or the substances used and there is a long history of

disaster associated with it observable to those prepared to ask if

something actually works............

the other side is i have developed a broad based suppelemnt program

that works which fits very well with scd

its FREE and WORKS but apprently these are not desired attributes as

i see the parents rush to spend and ignore anything that requires

several hours of reading

should that be inaction for angels? i don't mean to be offensive but

please tell me you have looked a little at what i am saying? you make

the time to reply defensively but not look at what is said.

there really are issues when depsite my repeated posting you so

plainly don't undertand what i am saying, is the second or third time

we have gone through this?

yet again

http://tinyurl.com/2csa3

just please just undertand this

the body is fused

the whole problem of toxins and heavy metals is the body can't tell

the difference from them and good biochemicals and metals

if it could it wouldn't use them

so how do you get something out of the body that its chemistry can't

tell the difference

you can't pluck it directly because you get the good things as well

like zinc and ala since theres a lot more of the good things you just

end up removing a lot of godd things and not too much of the bad

so how do you do it

do you bully a child to do something?

no

you are smart and follow thier line of their thinking and be indirect

and you do need thier basic coperation

so you get the body to co-operate

how do you do that?

the body is constantly flushing good minerals so you simply put the

good in and out comes the bad with it

with scd and enzymes and one or two other supplements you get the

huge metabolic gains necessary to move into better functioning

its like scd, its a system of some complexity, with enzymes, moderate

cost, without enzymes ,very low cost

but the thinking is beyond people

i am just brought back to this

chelation on the surface seems a nice idea but it is unreal and

doesn't pan out but parents hang onto the idea and misrepresent what

is happening to themselves and others.........

all i have learnt about life is that a mistake is a mistake util you

stop making it and its that simple.

> -

>

> " unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the worse, if

> they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick "

>

> Why?

>

> You are so blessed to be so bright and function well. What about a

little

> shaver who cannot talk, reason, pay attention, communicate, etc. as

you do?

> Why is it not good for their moms to want to give them a chance at

future

> independence, safety, and good health by chelating the horrible

mercury

> and/or other toxins out of them?

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Need help with enzyme question, PLEASE!!

>

>

> >

> > i know devins view is that enzymes are highly specific but i live

on

> > the blurr )

> >

> > on the edges all this non specific stuff happnes

> >

> > thats where i get the super high gain to keep me functional

> >

> > the proof of the pudding is i am surviving and going forward

> > cognitively and those who have rejected what i say which of course

> > are most of the moms on these boards are going backwards or barely

> > keeping pace

> >

> > so in the end i can see i am winning

> >

> > one of the big mistakes some of the early moms on enzymes and

autism

> > made was dropping enzymes asap because of the cost

> >

> > wrong way to go

> >

> > unless you have used the enzymes for years and currently you lose

> > touch

> >

> > when you really understand something you don't have to say

well " for

> > some it makes a difference and for others it doesn't "

> >

> > beats me why parents prefer to go backwards or barely keep pace

> > rather than think or explore

> >

> > unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the worse,

if

> > they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I, for one feel grateful that you are providing these details and

insights. I know that you have put many hours and much thought into

them.

Please consider that myself and others are trying to understand how

to best meet the needs of our children's heavy-metal-burdened body

(and probably our own to a lesser degree), AND also trying to cope

with everyday emotional ups and downs of recovery. This is a time

consuming, confusing process for me.

These are burdens I was not prepared for as a parent. As a young

adult, I had no concept whatsoever of heavy metal toxicity. I wish

I had...but what can you do but move forward? Hopefully as gently

as possible. Our kids are having a rough start to life...

Kathy H.

-- In pecanbread , " andrew " <alevin@i...> wrote:

> well

>

> well

>

> well

>

>

> what can i say if you don't read what i write or attempt to

> understand what i am saying?

>

> a couple of years ago i looked at chelation but it was very

> observable how cognitively impaired chelated adults were compared

to

> mercury toxic ones

>

> that is chelation destroyed the brain in a way that plain mercury

> toxicty did not

>

> the reason is that the only substance that binds tightly with

mercury

> is selenium and all the rest 'sort of' tightly, that is they pick

up

> and drop the mercury again

>

> this phenomenum i call 'mobilisation kinetics', that is the

mercury

> is given enough energy to do HEAPS and HEAPS of damage on the way

out

>

> why do you think elaine is against it, theres nothing new about

> chelation or the substances used and there is a long history of

> disaster associated with it observable to those prepared to ask if

> something actually works............

>

> the other side is i have developed a broad based suppelemnt

program

> that works which fits very well with scd

>

> its FREE and WORKS but apprently these are not desired attributes

as

> i see the parents rush to spend and ignore anything that requires

> several hours of reading

>

> should that be inaction for angels? i don't mean to be offensive

but

> please tell me you have looked a little at what i am saying? you

make

> the time to reply defensively but not look at what is said.

>

> there really are issues when depsite my repeated posting you so

> plainly don't undertand what i am saying, is the second or third

time

> we have gone through this?

>

> yet again

>

> http://tinyurl.com/2csa3

>

> just please just undertand this

>

> the body is fused

>

> the whole problem of toxins and heavy metals is the body can't

tell

> the difference from them and good biochemicals and metals

>

> if it could it wouldn't use them

>

> so how do you get something out of the body that its chemistry

can't

> tell the difference

>

> you can't pluck it directly because you get the good things as

well

> like zinc and ala since theres a lot more of the good things you

just

> end up removing a lot of godd things and not too much of the bad

>

> so how do you do it

>

> do you bully a child to do something?

>

> no

>

> you are smart and follow thier line of their thinking and be

indirect

>

> and you do need thier basic coperation

>

> so you get the body to co-operate

>

> how do you do that?

>

> the body is constantly flushing good minerals so you simply put

the

> good in and out comes the bad with it

>

> with scd and enzymes and one or two other supplements you get the

> huge metabolic gains necessary to move into better functioning

>

> its like scd, its a system of some complexity, with enzymes,

moderate

> cost, without enzymes ,very low cost

>

> but the thinking is beyond people

>

> i am just brought back to this

>

> chelation on the surface seems a nice idea but it is unreal and

> doesn't pan out but parents hang onto the idea and misrepresent

what

> is happening to themselves and others.........

>

> all i have learnt about life is that a mistake is a mistake util

you

> stop making it and its that simple.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > -

> >

> > " unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the

worse, if

> > they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick "

> >

> > Why?

> >

> > You are so blessed to be so bright and function well. What

about a

> little

> > shaver who cannot talk, reason, pay attention, communicate, etc.

as

> you do?

> > Why is it not good for their moms to want to give them a chance

at

> future

> > independence, safety, and good health by chelating the horrible

> mercury

> > and/or other toxins out of them?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Need help with enzyme question,

PLEASE!!

> >

> >

> > >

> > > i know devins view is that enzymes are highly specific but i

live

> on

> > > the blurr )

> > >

> > > on the edges all this non specific stuff happnes

> > >

> > > thats where i get the super high gain to keep me functional

> > >

> > > the proof of the pudding is i am surviving and going forward

> > > cognitively and those who have rejected what i say which of

course

> > > are most of the moms on these boards are going backwards or

barely

> > > keeping pace

> > >

> > > so in the end i can see i am winning

> > >

> > > one of the big mistakes some of the early moms on enzymes and

> autism

> > > made was dropping enzymes asap because of the cost

> > >

> > > wrong way to go

> > >

> > > unless you have used the enzymes for years and currently you

lose

> > > touch

> > >

> > > when you really understand something you don't have to say

> well " for

> > > some it makes a difference and for others it doesn't "

> > >

> > > beats me why parents prefer to go backwards or barely keep pace

> > > rather than think or explore

> > >

> > > unquestionably they do, moms chelating thier kids are the

worse,

> if

> > > they were doing it themsleves they would stop pretty quick

> > >

[Guest guest]

there is a necessary emotional trauma that goes with the

re-arrangement of ideas

thats is, without the trauma the rearrangement does not occur

those boards that don't permit it die............ enzymesandautism,

autism-mercury, sulphur stories...............

> ,

>

> I, for one feel grateful that you are providing these details and

> insights. I know that you have put many hours and much thought

into > them.