Re: Kirkman's Lactobacillus problems

[Guest guest]

Probiotics can trigger additional die-off. And I know some of the kids were

having symptoms like this with the Custom Probiotics acidophilus..... and had to

start VERY slowly, with a tiny dose. Maybe you could work up? Wow...... I just

read the end of your message...... your son has really been on SCD for 3 years?

Patti

Kirkman's Lactobacillus problems

I started giving my son 1 capsule of Kirkman's lactobacillus in the

morning with breakfast about 10 days ago. I am seeing sleep

problems, increased hyperactivity, huge increase in OCD symptoms and

increased aggression. He had the same problems when he was taking

Kirkman's Pro-Bio Inulin Free and I had to discontinue it. Does

anyone have any ideas what the problem might be.

Thanks,

( ASD- SCD 3yrs.)

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> Probiotics can trigger additional die-off. And I know some of the

kids were having symptoms like this with the Custom Probiotics

acidophilus..... and had to start VERY slowly, with a tiny dose.

Maybe you could work up? Wow...... I just read the end of your

message...... your son has really been on SCD for 3 years?

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> Patti

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> Patti, thanks for the info. I thought it might be die-off, but

it seems like such an extreme reaction. I will take your advise and

start him at a smaller dose.

Yes, my son has been on the diet for 3 years. I started him on it

in Jan. 2001. I have had to remove honey and most fruit because of

hypoglycemia and almonds because of allergy, but the diet has really

been a lifesaver. I just wish I would see the type of intestinal

healing that is supposed to take place. Any small deviation from

the diet still results in bad physical and behavioral reactions, but

my son's case has always been an exceptionally diffucult one.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you considered trying one of the yogurts? Some people who

can't tolerate the probiotics are okay if they very slowly start the

yogurt. By slow I mean even as small as 1/8 tsp every second day.

There's cow, goat and various nut yogurts.

Sheila 44 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 29 mos

> > Probiotics can trigger additional die-off. And I know some of

the

> kids were having symptoms like this with the Custom Probiotics

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I really like the yogurt and I think it would be good for my son,

unfortunately, he won't touch yogurt of any kind. What I find

strange in all of this is that I have given him probiotics of

various brands for the better part of 9 years and the Kirkman brand

is the only one he has this kind of reaction too. I like Kirkman

products and he takes other Kirkman supplements with no problem.

He has a persistant problem with Klebsiella and Citrobacter in the

gut. Perhaps this is a factor.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You could get sneaky with the yogurt. Mix a little in with mayo.

Probably a tiny amount to start with, you can even drip it first to

remove some of the tartness. You can use it to make other dips and

change the taste by adding some herbs and spices. Marilyn has a

wonderful ranch dressing.

will very rarely eat straight yogurt but he will drink it as

a smoothie or eat it as a dip.

Sheila 44 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 29 mos

> I really like the yogurt and I think it would be good for my son,

> unfortunately, he won't touch yogurt of any kind. What I find

> strange in all of this is that I have given him probiotics of

> various brands for the better part of 9 years and the Kirkman

brand

> is the only one he has this kind of reaction too. I like Kirkman

> products and he takes other Kirkman supplements with no problem.

> He has a persistant problem with Klebsiella and Citrobacter in the

> gut. Perhaps this is a factor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> You could get sneaky with the yogurt. Mix a little in with mayo.

> Probably a tiny amount to start with, you can even drip it first

to

> remove some of the tartness. You can use it to make other dips

and

> change the taste by adding some herbs and spices. Marilyn has a

> wonderful ranch dressing.

>

> will very rarely eat straight yogurt but he will drink it

as

> a smoothie or eat it as a dip.

>

> Sheila 44 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

> mom of SCD 29 mos

>

Sheila,

Thanks so much for the suggestions for getting my son to eat

yogurt. All of you on this board have such great ideas and are so

knowledgable. My life has gotten a little easier since I found this

group. I would really like to try Marilyn's ranch dressing. Where

do I find the recipe?

[Guest guest]

" I would really like to try Marilyn's ranch dressing. Where do I

find the recipe? "

There are a couple of ranch dressing recipes on

pecanbread.com.

http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 20 months

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> I would really like to try Marilyn's ranch dressing. Where

> do I find the recipe?

Here is my version of Marilyn's recipe

Ranch Dressing Base

For one cup of yogurt cheese. (You can make yogurt cheese by taking

plain, unflavoured yogurt and letting the liquid drip out through a

dishtowel or coffee filter and small stainer. Pictorial guide at

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/drippi

ng_yoghurt.htm)

1 cup of yogurt cheese

1 tablespoon dried chives

1 teaspoon dried parsley

1 teaspoon powdered onion (home-dried)

1/4 teaspoon powdered garlic (home-dried)

1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon black pepper

1/4 teaspoon salt (needed to develop the flavor of the herbs)

1/8 - 1/4 tsp paprika

Blend spices into yogurt cheese. Cover and refrigerate for at least

an hour, better over night if you can stand to wait. Thin with water

if needed for use on a salad. To make into a dip add 1 C of ranch

dressing base to 1 C homemade mayonnaise*

I sliced onions and peeled garlic and dried them in my dehydrator at

145F- 200°F for around 12 hours, then powdered them in my

coffee/spice grinder (or a blender). They can also be dried in a

oven at about 180-200°F for a few hours until dry.

*Homemade Mayonnaise

1 jumbo egg

1 tablespoon vinegar or fresh squeezed lemon juice

1/2 dijon mustard

1 - 1 1/4 cups sunflower oil

salt to taste

honey (to taste) I use about 1/2 tsp

Blend all ingredients except oil & honey.

While the machine is running pour the oil very slowly. It should take

at least a minute. As the mayonaise thickens, the sound of the

machine will change. *** It is very important to add the oil very

slowly in a fine stream. After all oil is added add honey to taste.

Ther are more yogurt recipes at

http://www.scdrecipe.com/r_018_00216.html

Sheila

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Nature's

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> She did well with that one. She had a bad reaction to

DMG so I may

> try TMG. What does

> he eat? Does he have salicylate problems? We have

issues with

> B's too but she's doing well

> with the B12 injection........................

> Kathy

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I haven't tried Nature's Life because I think the ingredients list

carrots as being included. My son can't tolerate vegetables with

sugar in them. He has a particularly bad reaction to carrots.

He also could not tolerate DMG or TMG. He has the same bad

reaction that he has to B-vitamins. I think these substances are

very closely related. I don't think he has a salicylate problem,

but who knows for sure.

The fact that your daughter is doing well with a b-vitamin

injection and not b-vitamins taken orally interests me. I have seen

the phenomanon with my son. In the past if he has needed to be

sedated for a medical procedure, he has experienced a great deal of

difficulty with oral sedation. Slow recovery, clumsiness, days of

digestive and behavioral problems. If he is sedated intravenously,

he recovers normally and there are no residual problems. Sure seems

to provide strong evidence for a gut problem and a detox problem.

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[Guest guest]

I highly recommend the injections. It has been the best intervention we

have tried for years. Glutathione IV

works well for her also.

Kathy

> I haven't tried Nature's Life because I think the ingredients list

> carrots as being included. My son can't tolerate vegetables with

> sugar in them. He has a particularly bad reaction to carrots.

> He also could not tolerate DMG or TMG. He has the same bad

> reaction that he has to B-vitamins. I think these substances are

> very closely related. I don't think he has a salicylate problem,

> but who knows for sure.

> The fact that your daughter is doing well with a b-vitamin

> injection and not b-vitamins taken orally interests me. I have seen

> the phenomanon with my son. In the past if he has needed to be

> sedated for a medical procedure, he has experienced a great deal of

> difficulty with oral sedation. Slow recovery, clumsiness, days of

> digestive and behavioral problems. If he is sedated intravenously,

> he recovers normally and there are no residual problems. Sure seems

> to provide strong evidence for a gut problem and a detox problem.

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