Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 > Re: Coolguy? Think again > > > ...blind enough to see that I am a stepper. Thats really a > hurtful word, since you guys seem to have more hate for steppers than > Arabs hold for Jews. It's not really hate but pity I feel for you and them. It amazes me that intelligent people can come up with rationalization after rationalization to repudiate what's as plain as the nose on their faces. > How many times did you do the 12 steps, ? > I did one step, ever Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 Hi Pat, I have found that in life, it is very common that the majority (the popular opinion) is wrong. You seem to at least be in the same solar system as I. I am glad I am not unique. (that was yet another of the lies of AA I never bought - I am pretty damn unique). These are two quotes that really stuck out to me when I first went to AA. Perhaps those " steppers " saw a person who would not last long without hearing those. Perhaps there were many people that (at least some of) the people on this list would call steppers that would not have hung around long without hearing these words frequently. The people on this list I have heard from so far seem to think they are so superior, so advanced in comparison to steppers. They can pity steppers. They know more than steppers. I don't think they realize that a lot of the people they label as steppers are more like them than steppers - meaning they question AA, they disagree with AA on several counts... they do not like others in AA and aspects of AA. Like you (I think...) and I they at least see some of the good of AA, too. They even find it helpful to continue going, without being " converted. " To each his own. I hope I get done arguing soon, and hope its worth the effort. > > Dave, great job! I have been in and out of " the program " for oh, > > seventeen years now, and since I made the break this past year, I > > have come to know more about the cultishness of the whole shooting > > match. Your reply to the stepper was dead-on, well-thought out, > and > > certainly full of facts that nobody in his right mind can dispute. > > here is another nugget for your archive. According to D., > > writer of the Annotated AA Handbook, while " the program " is a > > suggested one, the steps MUST be taken in order to work the > program. > > > All the newbies like to bandy about the old saw about the steps > being > > just suggestions, but ole hit it on the head. He even refers > > extensively to the religious aspect of the program as being > necessary > > to effect the pyschic change that all alcoholics need in order to > > stop drinking. He writes, the program suggested in this book is > not > > a self-help program, it is a God-help program. pg 119:19 > > > > It does not get any clearer than this. This book is priceless in > > terms of putting the overt religiosity of xa out in the open. I > have > > the book handy for reference should you need any more ammo-er, info! > > > > Cheryl, " I once was blind, but now I see " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2000 Report Share Posted October 16, 2000 Huggy huggy woo woo? Judith, have you ever been to ASD? Judith Stillwater wrote: > <snip> > > Plus, the idea of being nice to newcomers is so 12 steppy to me. Be > nice, call it love, huggy huggy woo woo, and then when they question > the doctrine, pull out the threats of death, jails, institutions. > Call > them insane. It's verbal abuse, it's intimidation, and I'd rather get > my cards on the table up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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