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My son is mercury toxic according to the counting rules. He has never been

vaccinated. He did eat tuna occasionally until recently. He has no diagnosis. I

believe, that he got most of his mercury in the womb and through breastfeeding.

Dagmar.

[ ] Foetal Hg poisoning - Question for Andy

I was wondering what your views are on foetal Hg poisoning. Do you

think our ASD kids have been poisoned this way or is it largely a

matter of thimerosal poisoning?

This is not just an academic question as we are thinking about

having a third child, even though our second child has become

autistic (our first child is OK). Our second child was not autistic

until he reached 18 months. My wife still has her amalgams.

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> I was wondering what your views are on foetal Hg poisoning. Do

you

> think our ASD kids have been poisoned this way or is it largely a

> matter of thimerosal poisoning?

Most of the time it is thimerosal (pediatrician poisoning). Rarely it

is prenatal.

> This is not just an academic question as we are thinking about

> having a third child, even though our second child has become

> autistic (our first child is OK). Our second child was not

autistic

> until he reached 18 months. My wife still has her amalgams.

This makes it seem quite unlikely her amalgams are the problem.

Andy . . .. . . . .

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In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:13:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

> Also on this thread--

> Several mothers have reported through the years that they had symptoms of

> something being wrong and after the birth of their first child they felt

> much better, but the child exhibited symptoms of mercury poisoning. I

> wonder how much the mother's build up of mercury is transferred to the

> baby?

> Barb

>

Barb,

I worked with a young woman who had been diagnosed with MS. When she became

pregnant her neurologist told her that pregnancy and child birth were the

best thing for MS female patients. He told her they didn't know why but

usually patients symptoms were much improved afterward. The co-worker moved

on shortly after the birth of her child and I lost contact, but have often

wondered how the child is.

Michele

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Very interesting thoughts here.

I wonder about how many mothers get PDD (Post Partem Depression) who are

Rh-Neg and have received the Rho-Gam (thimerosal) shots during (28 weeks) and

after their pregnancies. Have there been any concrete studies done on this?

My third child has autism and I think that the onslaught (increase) of

thimerosal-laced vaccines put him over the top to cause his condition. My NT

daughter is 17 and only received 3 shots in her 1st 15 months as opposed to

the 19 shots my 4yo ASD son did.

JMC

In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:26:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcro99@...

writes:

> >Also on this thread--

> >Several mothers have reported through the years that they had symptoms of

> >something being wrong and after the birth of their first child they felt

> >much better, but the child exhibited symptoms of mercury poisoning. I

> >wonder how much the mother's build up of mercury is transferred to the

> >baby?

> >Barb

> >

>

> Barb,

> I worked with a young woman who had been diagnosed with MS. When she

> became

> pregnant her neurologist told her that pregnancy and child birth were the

> best thing for MS female patients. He told her they didn't know why but

> usually patients symptoms were much improved afterward. The co-worker

> moved

> on shortly after the birth of her child and I lost contact, but have often

> wondered how the child is.

> Michele

>

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I agree with Andy for the most part. However I have a child that

lacks the enzymes to digest meats, has Aspergers (not yet officially

diagnosed) and was mercury toxic before his first immunization. I

was severly toxic when I carried him and although I did not

breastfeed him he was mercury toxic at three weeks. He was on the

verge of dying and the medical profession was totally confused as to

why. I put him on soy formula and chelated a three week old and he

got a little better. He has problems now that will never go away but

he is alive and that is more than the medical profession gave him at

three weeks. BTW this was before the time when they gave Hep B shots

in the hospital so he had had no vaccinations at three weeks. I took

him to the doctor that was did my chelation and we went from there.

I do not see chelation as a cure all but it helped my son. Some

children will be " Cured " by it while others will continue to have

problems but there will be improvement. I do believe that there is a

chance of exposing the child to methyl mercury in utero. My children

were all exposed. They all have different levels of exposure and

they all have different levels of problems but the reality is they

ALL have problems and had them prior to Immunizations or Fish

Eating.Three of my most profoundly affected are vegetarian. The most

profoundly affected is VEGAN and has never even thought about

touching anything resembling an animal.

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Also on this thread--

Several mothers have reported through the years that they had symptoms of

something being wrong and after the birth of their first child they felt

much better, but the child exhibited symptoms of mercury poisoning. I

wonder how much the mother's build up of mercury is transferred to the baby?

Barb

[ ] Re: Foetal Hg poisoning - Question for Andy

> I agree with Andy for the most part. However I have a child that

> lacks the enzymes to digest meats, has Aspergers (not yet officially

> diagnosed) and was mercury toxic before his first immunization. I

> was severly toxic when I carried him and although I did not

> breastfeed him he was mercury toxic at three weeks. He was on the

> verge of dying and the medical profession was totally confused as to

> why. I put him on soy formula and chelated a three week old and he

> got a little better. He has problems now that will never go away but

> he is alive and that is more than the medical profession gave him at

> three weeks. BTW this was before the time when they gave Hep B shots

> in the hospital so he had had no vaccinations at three weeks. I took

> him to the doctor that was did my chelation and we went from there.

> I do not see chelation as a cure all but it helped my son. Some

> children will be " Cured " by it while others will continue to have

> problems but there will be improvement. I do believe that there is a

> chance of exposing the child to methyl mercury in utero. My children

> were all exposed. They all have different levels of exposure and

> they all have different levels of problems but the reality is they

> ALL have problems and had them prior to Immunizations or Fish

> Eating.Three of my most profoundly affected are vegetarian. The most

> profoundly affected is VEGAN and has never even thought about

> touching anything resembling an animal.

>

>

>

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Hello Atena,

I also agree that mercury poisoning can happen in this way,

but in my case the idea is more based on things I've read,

so it is useful to hear about your situation. I am so

sorry about what happened, but I hope you'll forgive me

for being very curious. People write from time to time

asking about how young a child can be chelated, or whether

it is okay to chelate a 1 or 2 year old. Could you please

say more about how you chelated a THREE WEEK OLD?

What methods did you use? What chelation agents? What

dose? For how long? What effect did it have? Anything

you would be willing to share. I am also wondering what

brought you to the conclusion that you were severely mercury

toxic.

thank you for anything you are willing to add. How often this

happens I do not know, but it is certainly a rare story for

this list.

Moria

--- In , " Athena " <joshies_mom2000@h...>

wrote:

> I agree with Andy for the most part. However I have a child that

> lacks the enzymes to digest meats, has Aspergers (not yet officially

> diagnosed) and was mercury toxic before his first immunization. I

> was severly toxic when I carried him and although I did not

> breastfeed him he was mercury toxic at three weeks. He was on the

> verge of dying and the medical profession was totally confused as to

> why. I put him on soy formula and chelated a three week old and he

> got a little better. He has problems now that will never go away but

> he is alive and that is more than the medical profession gave him at

> three weeks. BTW this was before the time when they gave Hep B shots

> in the hospital so he had had no vaccinations at three weeks. I took

> him to the doctor that was did my chelation and we went from there.

> I do not see chelation as a cure all but it helped my son. Some

> children will be " Cured " by it while others will continue to have

> problems but there will be improvement. I do believe that there is a

> chance of exposing the child to methyl mercury in utero. My children

> were all exposed. They all have different levels of exposure and

> they all have different levels of problems but the reality is they

> ALL have problems and had them prior to Immunizations or Fish

> Eating.Three of my most profoundly affected are vegetarian. The most

> profoundly affected is VEGAN and has never even thought about

> touching anything resembling an animal.

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I thinks some/many of the miscarried and stillborn babies would also show high

metals if tested for them. My cousin, sister, & sister-in-law all had

miscarriages. My cousin's first full term baby had significant health problems

(which they knew about before his birth) and lived only 18 hrs. (which is longer

than they expected). My sister's first full-term baby was stillborn. My

sister-in-law's oldest has vaccine-induced autism.

S (no kids)

> >Several mothers have reported through the years that they had symptoms of<BR>

> >something being wrong and after the birth of their first child they felt<BR>

> >much better, but the child exhibited symptoms of mercury poisoning.  I<BR>

> >wonder how much the mother's build up of mercury is transferred to the <BR>

> >baby?<BR>

> >Barb<BR>

> ><BR>

> <BR>

> Barb,<BR>

> I worked with a young woman who had been diagnosed with MS.   When she <BR>

> became <BR>

> pregnant her neurologist told her that pregnancy and child birth were the <BR>

> best thing for MS female patients.  He told her they didn't know why but <BR>

> usually patients symptoms were much improved afterward.  The co-worker <BR>

> moved <BR>

> on shortly after the birth of her child and I lost contact, but have often

<BR>

> wondered how the child is.<BR>

> Michele<BR>

>

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I think the mother's amalgam sets the stage in many cases and the thimerosal in

vaccines sends the kid over the edge into ASD.

Mercury does pass the placenta. The book " Infertility & Birth Defects: Is

Mercury from Silver Fillings an Unsuspected Cause? " by Sam Ziff and Dr.

F. Ziff.

S

>   I was wondering what your views are on foetal Hg poisoning.  Do <BR>

you <BR>

>   think our ASD kids have been poisoned this way or is it largely a <BR>

>   matter of thimerosal poisoning?<BR>

<BR>

Most of the time it is thimerosal (pediatrician poisoning).  Rarely it <BR>

is prenatal.<BR>

<BR>

>   This is not just an academic question as we are thinking about <BR>

>   having a third child, even though our second child has become <BR>

>   autistic (our first child is OK).  Our second child was not <BR>

autistic <BR>

>   until he reached 18 months.  My wife still has her amalgams.<BR>

<BR>

This makes it seem quite unlikely her amalgams are the problem.<BR>

<BR>

Andy . . .. . . . .<BR>

<BR>

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Mercury does pass the placenta. That's why some of us are also trying to get

mercury amalgam dental fillings (and other uses of mercury) banned/phased out.

S

From: Dagmar [mailto: dagmarjahr@...]

Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:00:40 +0100

Subject: Re: [ ] Foetal Hg poisoning - Question for Andy

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My son is mercury toxic according to the counting rules. He has never been

vaccinated. He did eat tuna occasionally until recently. He has no diagnosis. I

believe, that he got most of his mercury in the womb and through

breastfeeding.<BR>

<BR>

Dagmar.<BR>

  [ ] Foetal Hg poisoning - Question for Andy<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

  I was wondering what your views are on foetal Hg poisoning.  Do you <BR>

  think our ASD kids have been poisoned this way or is it largely a <BR>

  matter of thimerosal poisoning?<BR>

<BR>

  This is not just an academic question as we are thinking about <BR>

  having a third child, even though our second child has become <BR>

  autistic (our first child is OK).  Our second child was not autistic <BR>

  until he reached 18 months.  My wife still has her amalgams.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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--- In , " moriamerri " <moriam@e...>

wrote:

> Hello Atena,

>

> I also agree that mercury poisoning can happen in this way,

> but in my case the idea is more based on things I've read,

> so it is useful to hear about your situation. I am so

> sorry about what happened, but I hope you'll forgive me

> for being very curious. People write from time to time

> asking about how young a child can be chelated, or whether

> it is okay to chelate a 1 or 2 year old. Could you please

> say more about how you chelated a THREE WEEK OLD?

> What methods did you use? What chelation agents? What

> dose? For how long? What effect did it have? Anything

> you would be willing to share. I am also wondering what

> brought you to the conclusion that you were severely mercury

> toxic.

>

> thank you for anything you are willing to add. How often this

> happens I do not know, but it is certainly a rare story for

> this list.

>

> Moria

>

I am sorry I know very little about what they did. I took the baby

to the doctor every other day. They ran IVs for the first week and

then after two weeks of this we dropped back to once per week for 8

weeks then we did once every two weeks for 8 sessions then once per

month for 8 sessions. I was very ignorant about all of it then and

just kinda trusted the doctor to help. The doctor was recommended to

me by the dentist that removed my amalgams. I would not be alive

today if it wasn't for that dentist and I know it so I trusted the

person he sent me to. So I am of very little help. I am still very

ignorant about how to chelate any child. I have moved away from

Atlanta where the doctor I had is located and I need to understand

the process better before I choose a doctor up here. I know there

are various ways to chelate mercury but I have no idea how to do

this or how to get the substances necessary to do the chelation.

That is why I joined this group so I could get an education before I

went in to talk to anyone about chelation for any of my children.

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Hi Athena,

> I am sorry I know very little about what they did.

Thank you again for writing about this. I understand you can only

say the parts you know about. No problem.

I took the baby

> to the doctor every other day. They ran IVs for the first week and

> then after two weeks of this we dropped back to once per week for 8

> weeks then we did once every two weeks for 8 sessions then once per

> month for 8 sessions. I was very ignorant about all of it then and

> just kinda trusted the doctor to help. The doctor was recommended to

> me by the dentist that removed my amalgams. I would not be alive

> today if it wasn't for that dentist and I know it so I trusted the

> person he sent me to. So I am of very little help. I am still very

> ignorant about how to chelate any child.

The IV chelation is used by a log of " alternative " doctors.

(I just mean by that that alternative doctors are the main

ones who are doing ANYTHING, and a lot of them do chelation

by IVs.) I think that oral low dose chelation is safer.

> I have moved away from

> Atlanta where the doctor I had is located and I need to understand

> the process better before I choose a doctor up here.

that sounds like a good idea.

> I know there

> are various ways to chelate mercury but I have no idea how to do

> this or how to get the substances necessary to do the chelation.

there are a number of ways. I would say this list GENERALLY

talks about the oral chelation with ALA/DMSA/DMPS, but not

exclusively. There is also sometimes discussion of IV or

other agents. Here is informtaion on how to get the 3 agents

I just mentioned:

/files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA

> That is why I joined this group so I could get an education before I

> went in to talk to anyone about chelation for any of my children.

Thank you again.

Moria

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