Re: Water infused with Electrolytes

[Guest guest]

The electrolytes I use are E-Lyte brand. Kane knows something

about autistic kids and she recommended me to give him a LOT of E-lyte. Funny

enough I came across this whacky mineral salts theory (www.biochemics.info) that

talks a lot of the importance of mineral salts......who knows maybe it's a

new avenue to treat autistic children as some of them need a lot of salt for

adrenal support and we all know they need minerals.

I use E-Lyte. I also use wateroz.

Marti

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/19/03 3:39:11 PM, schauss@... writes:

> If its

> tastes excessively salty, quess what, its imbalanced due to excessive

> sodium and potassium chloride.  The chloride pair can give a drink its

> salty nature and if you read the label of one the more popular formulas

> used in this community you will notice very high chloride levels which

> will cause bicarbonate levels to decrease, something most autistic

> children do not need.

>

What about for children who are on NO packaged foods and who need to have

salt one way or another? I use the E-Lyte in soup. What do you think?

marti

[Guest guest]

Hi Mel, that sounds like Smart Water I buy at the health food

store. For my son, His eletrolyites were/are out of wack. I don't

think this is uncommon in our kids. The eletrolyte infused water

helped my son as well. I have also tried the e-lyte stuff, but even

diluted as reccommended, it was too salty, and I couldn't get my guy

to drink it, not to mention expensive. I cooked with it, etc, but

decided that the Smart Water was easier.

Glad it helped your son.

> We recently found some water that is infused with electrolytes

(calcium

> chloride, magnesium chloride and potassium bicarbonate). We noticed

a difference in

> the same day.

> I plan on looking for a consistent source of this water as it

really seems to

> be helpful.

> But I am wondering if anyone has any experience or knowledge of the

> electrolyte balance of autistic kids?

>

> Mel

[Guest guest]

Mel,

Electrolyte imbalance is a very common finding in autistic children (as

well as many people in the general population). The most common

imbalances (Shaw and Baker) is with depressed bicarbonate levels. The

problem with many electrolyte solutions, including the one you mentioned

and others that I won't mention, is their imbalanced formula. You can

only take them for a short period of time before you will see definite

deviations in the chemistry of the individual taking them. If its

tastes excessively salty, quess what, its imbalanced due to excessive

sodium and potassium chloride. The chloride pair can give a drink its

salty nature and if you read the label of one the more popular formulas

used in this community you will notice very high chloride levels which

will cause bicarbonate levels to decrease, something most autistic

children do not need.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.carbonbased.com

[ ] Water infused with Electrolytes

We recently found some water that is infused with electrolytes (calcium

chloride, magnesium chloride and potassium bicarbonate). We noticed a

difference in

the same day.

I plan on looking for a consistent source of this water as it really

seems to

be helpful.

But I am wondering if anyone has any experience or knowledge of the

electrolyte balance of autistic kids?

Mel

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[Guest guest]

Okay, but aside from the quantity issue here, I just wonder what you are

saying about salt. If the problem with electrolyte mixtures is that they are

salty and this is bad, then what about other sources of salt? I'm in a quandry

here because I have to use some kind of salt for the child or he'll get none

at all because he only eats freshly prepared food, which means it doesn't have

much salt in it.

If you think E-lyte is harmful (and I'm only saying e-lyte because it's what

I have) because of the salt content, then are you saying that salt generally

is bad because of what it does to the bicarbonate status of the child or is

there something specific about the E-lyte that is worse than it's salt content?

thanks for helping me understand this.

marti

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion over e-lyte because of

past affiliations but my problem with their product is their claim of

how much is in a 12 ounce serving. Their website for their " sports

formula " which supposedly is similar or the same as their other formula,

claims 282 mg (or 174 mg - both are on their site) of sodium, 584 mg of

potassium and 210 mg of magnesium in a 12 ounce serving. Now if this is

straight 12 ounces of concentrate, then its possible. But if this is

what is claimed to be in a diluted form, then I can't see how they can

make that claim. That quantity can't stay in solution no matter how you

try.

Re: [ ] Water infused with Electrolytes

In a message dated 8/19/03 3:39:11 PM, schauss@... writes:

> If its

> tastes excessively salty, quess what, its imbalanced due to excessive

> sodium and potassium chloride.  The chloride pair can give a drink its

> salty nature and if you read the label of one the more popular

> formulas used in this community you will notice very high chloride

> levels which will cause bicarbonate levels to decrease, something most

> autistic children do not need.

>

What about for children who are on NO packaged foods and who need to

have

salt one way or another? I use the E-Lyte in soup. What do you

think?

marti

[Guest guest]

It is amazing to me that this subject seems so important, but I don't

remember it being mentioned here before. I am thankful for the responses, but I

do

have some questions.

If electrolyte balance is so important, and we can create a better balance by

using Smartwater, or E-Lyte or something else, why would anyone be so against

its use?

If the theroy that with continued use another imbalance will be created, why

can we simply rotate the use to prevent this other imbalance?

I have seen an improvement with my own son, if others have seen improvement,

I believe we should research and discuss electrolyte imbalance further.

Mel

In a message dated 8/19/03 6:44:09 PM, writes:

<< Subject: Re: Water infused with Electrolytes >>

Message: 15

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:45:56 EDT

From: MarthaRolfe@...

Subject: Re: Water infused with Electrolytes

The electrolytes I use are E-Lyte brand. Kane knows something

about autistic kids and she recommended me to give him a LOT of E-lyte.

Funny

enough I came across this whacky mineral salts theory (www.biochemics.info)

that

talks a lot of the importance of mineral salts......who knows maybe it's a

new avenue to treat autistic children as some of them need a lot of salt for

adrenal support and we all know they need minerals.

I use E-Lyte. I also use wateroz.

Marti

Mel,

Electrolyte imbalance is a very common finding in autistic children (as

well as many people in the general population). The most common

imbalances (Shaw and Baker) is with depressed bicarbonate levels. The

problem with many electrolyte solutions, including the one you mentioned

and others that I won't mention, is their imbalanced formula. You can

only take them for a short period of time before you will see definite

deviations in the chemistry of the individual taking them. If its

tastes excessively salty, quess what, its imbalanced due to excessive

sodium and potassium chloride. The chloride pair can give a drink its

salty nature and if you read the label of one the more popular formulas

used in this community you will notice very high chloride levels which

will cause bicarbonate levels to decrease, something most autistic

children do not need.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.carbonbased.com

[Guest guest]

Martha and Listmates,

I have no problem with added salt. Actually, a number of people are

actually deficient in sodium because of the panacea surrounding it.

While there is no doubt that excessive salt, which is oh so common in

the U.S., can cause numerous health problems, too little sodium can be a

problem also. My suggestion is to use some salt in the preparation of

food. I personally use kosher salt as it typically contains fewer

additives than others.

I won't comment too much about E-lyte because everytime I do, I get

attacked personally. I can't honestly say it is harmful, it may even be

very helpful to some people. My main concern is that what is claimed on

the label is absolutely, positively impossible. One chemist told me

that it is hard to understand how people believe that " 3 grams of solute

can fit into one gram of solution. " If the label claim is so incorrect,

how do you know what you are getting? I can't say that it is the sodium

that is too high, or potassium or magnesium because frankly, no one

knows what really is in a serving.

If you want to know of a couple of other sources of electrolytes that I

think are better (one I have an interest in), e-mail me privately as I

don't like advertising products that I have some vested interest in on

the newsgroups.

These comments are strictly opinions of mine and are not meant to be an

attack on anyone. Hopefully the discussion can remain on a scientific

level and not get personal as they have in the past.

Respectfully in health,

Mark Schauss

Re: [ ] Water infused with Electrolytes

Okay, but aside from the quantity issue here, I just wonder what you are

saying about salt. If the problem with electrolyte mixtures is that

they are

salty and this is bad, then what about other sources of salt? I'm in a

quandry

here because I have to use some kind of salt for the child or he'll get

none

at all because he only eats freshly prepared food, which means it

doesn't have

much salt in it.

If you think E-lyte is harmful (and I'm only saying e-lyte because it's

what

I have) because of the salt content, then are you saying that salt

generally

is bad because of what it does to the bicarbonate status of the child or

is

there something specific about the E-lyte that is worse than it's salt

content?

thanks for helping me understand this.

marti

[Guest guest]

Mark, Now that you have explained to everyone that you have an interest in a

certain product, we can temper what you have to say with this knowledge.

However, I would suggest to you that if your knowledge and experience in this

area

(electrolytes) is greater than most peoples, you can used that knowledge and

expertise in a constructive way by spreading the information to the people on

this list who so desperately desire to find ways to help their children.

In other words, please do not withhold valuable information. Allow us to be

the judge of your intentions

that being said, I have found some very important information that I would

like to share with people and ask for help in searching out more information on

electrolyte imbalance.

Please read this link http://www.bodybio.com/a_article1.html

Thank you.

Mel