Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 After reading and talking about chelation for 2 years I finally took the plunge. I decided to give my son ALA every 3 hours for Sat, Sun & Mon. After the 3rd dose my son starting stimming like crazy. Before he would periodically flap his arms but on Saturday he was doing it non-stop. He was even trying to do it while feeding himself. It was actually quite comical. I took it as a sign that he could really benefit because if ALA moves metals around and his reaction is stimming, then the stimming must be caused by the metals in the first place. The next day my son did signs he had not done in months. Later Saturday I told him to go give dad a hug and he went right over without hesitation. He rarely follows directions. At the end of day 2 my older son got sick and I had to take him to the hospital (we thought it was appendicitis). I was at the hospital all day Monday so my autistic son's chelation was stopped abruptly after a little less than 2 days. Today, more than 24 hours after stopping he is still flapping his arms more and does not show any sign of improvement. I am hopeful it will in the long run as this was his first time, I gave small doses to start and it was cut short. Do I need to be concerned about having to cut his round short? Am I right in not being concerned that he is still stimming more? Should it get better from here? How many rounds does it take for most kids to show improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Give him vitamin C and magnesium several times a day, do whatever you do to get his yeast under control, and use half the dose next time around. The short cycle may or may not be the problem. Sounds to me like the dose was too high. Andy ., . . .. . . > After reading and talking about chelation for 2 years I finally took > the plunge. I decided to give my son ALA every 3 hours for Sat, Sun > & Mon. After the 3rd dose my son starting stimming like crazy. > Before he would periodically flap his arms but on Saturday he was > doing it non-stop. He was even trying to do it while feeding > himself. It was actually quite comical. I took it as a sign that he > could really benefit because if ALA moves metals around and his > reaction is stimming, then the stimming must be caused by the metals > in the first place. The next day my son did signs he had not done in > months. Later Saturday I told him to go give dad a hug and he went > right over without hesitation. He rarely follows directions. At the > end of day 2 my older son got sick and I had to take him to the > hospital (we thought it was appendicitis). I was at the hospital all > day Monday so my autistic son's chelation was stopped abruptly after > a little less than 2 days. Today, more than 24 hours after stopping > he is still flapping his arms more and does not show any sign of > improvement. I am hopeful it will in the long run as this was his > first time, I gave small doses to start and it was cut short. > Do I need to be concerned about having to cut his round short? Am I > right in not being concerned that he is still stimming more? Should > it get better from here? How many rounds does it take for most kids > to show improvement? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 > After reading and talking about chelation for 2 years I finally took > the plunge. I decided to give my son ALA every 3 hours for Sat, Sun > & Mon. After the 3rd dose my son starting stimming like crazy. This would be a precurser to yeast build up for my son, especially during the first many rounds. >>The next day my son did signs he had not done in > months. Later Saturday I told him to go give dad a hug and he went > right over without hesitation. He rarely follows directions. Very good! >> At the > end of day 2 my older son got sick and I had to take him to the > hospital (we thought it was appendicitis). I was at the hospital all > day Monday so my autistic son's chelation was stopped abruptly after > a little less than 2 days. Today, more than 24 hours after stopping > he is still flapping his arms more and does not show any sign of > improvement. I had to stop chelation during one round last January for my hospital ER visit [which I posted about here a few weeks ago]. It caused a 2-day round, and strangely enough, the shorter round caused yeast much moreso than the 3 and 4 day rounds did. >>Should > it get better from here? Increase your yeast protocol and you might see the previous improvement come back. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 My son is 4 years old and 35 lbs. I have been giving him Vitamin C 4x's per day - 250 mg each. I was not giving him magnesium though. I will have to order some. I was giving him the ALA every 3 hours. I was using about 1/4 capsule of Kirkman's per dose (~6 mg). I thought I was giving him too small a dose. I have never had to deal with yeast for him before. Every test he has had has never shown a yeast problem. I do have a bottle of Nystatin the doctor gave me that I could give him. I do not see any change in his stools that might suggest he has a yeast problem though. Should I still treat as if he has yeast without evidence other than stimming more? > Give him vitamin C and magnesium several times a day, do whatever you > do to get his yeast under control, and use half the dose next time > around. > > The short cycle may or may not be the problem. Sounds to me like the > dose was too high. > > Andy ., . . .. . . > > > After reading and talking about chelation for 2 years I finally took > > the plunge. I decided to give my son ALA every 3 hours for Sat, Sun > > & Mon. After the 3rd dose my son starting stimming like crazy. > > Before he would periodically flap his arms but on Saturday he was > > doing it non-stop. He was even trying to do it while feeding > > himself. It was actually quite comical. I took it as a sign that > he > > could really benefit because if ALA moves metals around and his > > reaction is stimming, then the stimming must be caused by the metals > > in the first place. The next day my son did signs he had not done > in > > months. Later Saturday I told him to go give dad a hug and he went > > right over without hesitation. He rarely follows directions. At > the > > end of day 2 my older son got sick and I had to take him to the > > hospital (we thought it was appendicitis). I was at the hospital > all > > day Monday so my autistic son's chelation was stopped abruptly after > > a little less than 2 days. Today, more than 24 hours after stopping > > he is still flapping his arms more and does not show any sign of > > improvement. I am hopeful it will in the long run as this was his > > first time, I gave small doses to start and it was cut short. > > Do I need to be concerned about having to cut his round short? Am I > > right in not being concerned that he is still stimming more? Should > > it get better from here? How many rounds does it take for most kids > > to show improvement? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 >>I have never had to deal > with yeast for him before. Every test he has had has never shown a > yeast problem. I do have a bottle of Nystatin the doctor gave me > that I could give him. I do not see any change in his stools that > might suggest he has a yeast problem though. Should I still treat as > if he has yeast without evidence other than stimming more? My son never had a yeast issue [that I know of] until I began chelating. His first yeast symptoms are not bms but behaviors. When I got home from the hospital that time I mentioned in my last message, he was moving his eyes all the way to the side and spinning. I asked my husband " what did you feed him while I was gone? " He said " nothing different " . So I gave GSE and these behaviors stopped within a day. So if it was my son, I would treat for yeast and see what happens. Your son might be different. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Thank you for your suggestions Dr. Cutler. I increased the Vitamin C but could not find magnesium in a form my son could take. I have to order some from Kirkman's. I went ahead and tried Dana's idea of GSE & No-Phenol to treat for yeast. I gave him 2 drops in every glass of juice with a bit of the enzymes for 2 days and the stimming went down to the same as before chelation. This weekend I kept with the same dosage of ALA and did not get the stimming problem. He was in a great mood the entire time. On the last day I went to give him a bath which he usually screams, hits and scratches because he has some sort of fear of the bathroom. This time though he went in willingly and loved it. Now he is talking more than ever before. He went back to school yesterday. He was more social than before and his teachers were amazed at how much better his receptive language is in addition to him speaking more. It does appear that yeast is back again (cottage cheese diaper) so I am back to using GSE & No-Phenol. I'm looking forward to what the next round will bring. > Give him vitamin C and magnesium several times a day, do whatever you > do to get his yeast under control, and use half the dose next time > around. > > The short cycle may or may not be the problem. Sounds to me like the > dose was too high. > > Andy ., . . .. . . > > > After reading and talking about chelation for 2 years I finally took > > the plunge. I decided to give my son ALA every 3 hours for Sat, Sun > > & Mon. After the 3rd dose my son starting stimming like crazy. > > Before he would periodically flap his arms but on Saturday he was > > doing it non-stop. He was even trying to do it while feeding > > himself. It was actually quite comical. I took it as a sign that > he > > could really benefit because if ALA moves metals around and his > > reaction is stimming, then the stimming must be caused by the metals > > in the first place. The next day my son did signs he had not done > in > > months. Later Saturday I told him to go give dad a hug and he went > > right over without hesitation. He rarely follows directions. At > the > > end of day 2 my older son got sick and I had to take him to the > > hospital (we thought it was appendicitis). I was at the hospital > all > > day Monday so my autistic son's chelation was stopped abruptly after > > a little less than 2 days. Today, more than 24 hours after stopping > > he is still flapping his arms more and does not show any sign of > > improvement. I am hopeful it will in the long run as this was his > > first time, I gave small doses to start and it was cut short. > > Do I need to be concerned about having to cut his round short? Am I > > right in not being concerned that he is still stimming more? Should > > it get better from here? How many rounds does it take for most kids > > to show improvement? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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