Guest guest Posted September 8, 2000 Report Share Posted September 8, 2000 thats what i was thinking too. > > I look up to Hitler and Manson. I am thinking about > writing Charlie. I just cursed 5 people today and I promised Lucifer > if they all die within a year I will get a baphomet tatoo.(Upside > down pentagram with goats head in it). I am not saying curses work > 100% but hey I have seen a lot of people who crossed me die. I like > seeing them die. I like it when they get sick. I would like to > have the power Hitler had. I don't necessarily hate jews but I look > up to Hitler and Stalin for the power they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2000 Report Share Posted September 8, 2000 I'm going to respond to this for 2 reasons. First, Ellen, you said what I have been thinking too, about Thoth. I went back in the archives today and found a post where Thoth said that he called himself " Butterbean Joe " when he was messing with AA chat groups and such. I still chuckle at that name, Butterbean Joe--it's so goofy and so in synch with the kind of phony, smarmy b.s. I associate with AA. Of course it was horribly disturbing to read what he has been posting and I think that kind of thing harms our group. But my 2nd reason for responding is that you quote 's post about us being cursed, and right after Ken booted Nate, my internet connection went kerflooey. It's been up and down a few times since. Coincidence? You be the judge. judith > I can't help but think that Nate was so hurt (and made to feel so powerless) > somewhere along the line, that he had to make himself (and his 'religion') be > (and sound) more powerful than anything us mere 'mortals' know about. > > I also can't help feeling for him...after all, he is not Hitler...I kind of > think he is all talk and no action, and is, in reality, just a guy who does > not know how to deal with his pain. > > Ken, I am glad, however, that you banned him. His issues are not our issues, > and they did distract us from the central issue that binds us together. > > Thanks, Ken... > Ellen > > babystrange@e... writes: > > > > Nate, > > > > > > Perhaps you will find somewhere where your hatred and sadism > > are more appreciated. You are removed from posting status. > > > > Thanks, Ken! > > > > Does this mean we're all cursed, now? > > > > <shrugs> :^) > > > > Cheers, > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2000 Report Share Posted September 8, 2000 " If memory serves me correctly, Christians didn't invent Satan, " the Evil One " until 800 or 1000 A.D. Before that there were a multitude of lesser evil forces from the spirit world. Satanists aren't disbelievers in the Christian theology, they are believers angry at one of their Gods seeking Redemption from the other. " Hi Ken, Satan is mentioned in the Book of Job in the Old Testament in the first and second chapter, Psalms 109:6, Zechariah in the third chapter, and 1 Chronicles 21:1 - all Old Testament - before the hypocritical Christians came into being. Sorry, but I'm tired of hearing blanket stereotypical descriptions of Christianity and its practioners as everyone else is of gays, blacks, women, white men, Jewish people, etc. etc. etc. jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2000 Report Share Posted September 8, 2000 P.S. Ken, I am pleased you removed Thotaboutit or whatever his name was. He started out venting then went way overboard. We don't need that. jan > > > I don't hate all gays just the idiots who hit on everything that moves. I hate specific homosexuals who died of aids. Yes I am glad they suffered and are dead. I have no mercy for those who wrong me. I wished death on a former boss of mine. his wife shot him in the head and buried him in his backyard. He was a white hetero male. I am glad he is dead. I wish he would have suffered more. I am not christian. I rejoice in seeing my enemies suffer. by the way most of my enemies are white hetero males. A few have been homosexual, a few black, and one jewish. I am an equal opportunity curser. You cross me and I rejoice at your pain and suffering. > > Nate, > > Many years ago when I was going to AA, I knew a guy who had been a Satanist. I had never met a Satinist before and didn't think such people really existed outside of B movies. One of the things that really struck me in a conversation with him was his response to my feelings about Christianity. He asked me why I wasn't a Satanist. To me, it was quite obvious -- if I don't believe in the one Christian God, why would I believe in the other Christian God? Besides, while I had a Christian upbringing, it wasn't Fundamentalist or Catholic. The Devil was Flip 's comic character Geraldine's excuse for doing what she wanted to. It took me a while to > understand where he was coming from. How could someone not believe in God and be a Satanist. It seems, from what I've gathered is that Satanists are perhaps the most Christian of Christians in terms of the worst of Christianity. If memory serves me correctly, Christians didn't invent Satan, " the Evil One " until 800 or 1000 A.D. Before that there were a multitude of lesser evil forces from the spirit world. Satanists aren't disbelievers in the Christian theology, they are believers angry at one of their Gods seeking Redemption from the other. > > There was a Pope within my lifetime who gave some sort of official statement that those who are terminally ill shouldn't be given too much painkiller because the pain was good -- it helps the dying find Jesus love. Speaking of AIDS, authorities in the Catholic Church lobbied against the advertising or mention of condoms at the start of the AIDS epidemic. They obviously were more concerned with the abstractions of theology than human life and preventing suffering. In their book, they would rather people suffer and die (gay men, wives of IV drug users, children) than let people know that they could have sex _and_ be safe from infection. A more recent > Pope went to Brazil and pontificated on the evils of birth control in a country where thousands of homeless children are murdered by citizens' groups because they are such a " problem, " stealing to eat. > > It isn't " just the Catholics. " Alice reported that of the members of the Red Brigades in Germany, a group that killed innocent men, women and children in bomb attacks " for the cause " , 50% had Protestant _ministers_ for fathers. > > From what I've seen of Satanists, they are just one more cult only difference being they are directly based on the hypocracy in Christianity and are probably the greatest proseletyzers for the various churches. " Turn the other cheek " ? Of course that is nonsense. No Western criminal justice system does so and good thing. But the Satanic " identical/reverse " " seek revenge " is simply pathetic. > > I think revenge _can be_ just fine. However, one of the primary requirements is that it is only against the one who agrieved you and in measure to the agrievement. Satanists seem to take every bit of childhood abuse and the gruesome assaults that initiate their conversion ( " see, God won't protect you " ) and use all that rage against others who do the trivial. > > It is really sad to feel so powerless that one must call on, and attribute others' misfortune or other events to forces forces from the spiritual world whether it is " because of " praying to the Sacred Scroll, ejaculating on Communion wafers, or " focusing thoughts. " > > Someone else asked you before, what happened to you that caused so much rage. I didn't expect an answer then, and I don't expect one now. Adolph Hitler spent his life seeking revenge on others for what was done to him. Was he " strong " ? Certainly, in certain respects, that argument can be made. However, deep in his soul, where the pain arose, the acting out of revenge on tens of millions of others did nothing to ease his pain. He still woke up in the middle of the night screaming, reliving the original, denied experiences, afraid to be alone and in the dark until his death. > > Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2000 Report Share Posted September 8, 2000 j.m.young@... wrote: > " If memory serves me correctly, Christians didn't invent Satan, " the > Evil One " until 800 or 1000 A.D. Before that there were a multitude > of lesser evil forces from the spirit world. Satanists aren't > disbelievers in the Christian theology, they are believers angry at > one of their Gods seeking Redemption from the other. " > > Hi Ken, > > Satan is mentioned in the Book of Job in the Old Testament in the > first and second chapter, Psalms 109:6, Zechariah in the third > chapter, and 1 Chronicles 21:1 - all Old Testament - before the > hypocritical Christians came into being. Sorry, but I'm tired of > hearing blanket stereotypical descriptions of Christianity and its > practioners as everyone else is of gays, blacks, women, white men, > Jewish people, etc. etc. etc. > > jan Jan, I could have much better stated what I meant, that the idea of Satan as the one driving force behind evil didn't arise until 800 or 1000 A.D., more of a matter of " elevation and assimilation " of one of many evil forces into just one -- e.g. " known by many names " -- rather than many names for different evil forces. Of course, I may still be wrong ... It has happened before. I don't see where I was stereotyping in my post and thought I was rather specific about rather specific items. At no point did I say the ridiculous, stereotypical ( " all Catholics are opposed to the Pill even where children are starving " or " all children of Protestant ministers in Germany become terrorists. " Nor did I say that all Christians even believe in the devil, which they don't although that might be as accurate as any such generality could be. The post wasn't about Christianity, " Christianity is this, Christianity is that. " Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 I'd just like to ask about " Nate " -- what means this? . >From: intelle@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: Re: AA gays and aids >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:53:06 EDT > >I can't help but think that Nate was so hurt (and made to feel so >powerless) >somewhere along the line, that he had to make himself (and his 'religion') >be >(and sound) more powerful than anything us mere 'mortals' know about. > >I also can't help feeling for him...after all, he is not Hitler...I kind of >think he is all talk and no action, and is, in reality, just a guy who does >not know how to deal with his pain. > >Ken, I am glad, however, that you banned him. His issues are not our >issues, >and they did distract us from the central issue that binds us together. > >Thanks, Ken... >Ellen > >babystrange@... writes: > > > > Nate, > > > > > > Perhaps you will find somewhere where your hatred and sadism > > are more appreciated. You are removed from posting status. > > > > Thanks, Ken! > > > > Does this mean we're all cursed, now? > > > > <shrugs> :^) > > > > Cheers, > > . _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 " I'm tired of hearing blanket stereotypical descriptions of Christianity and its practioners as everyone else is of gays, blacks, women, white men, Jewish people, etc. etc. etc. " -- hear, hear, Jan -- I'm sick of the stereotypes, which include rabidly righteous right wing loonies, soft as sh*t mindless suckers for the oppressive God myth, deranged believers in great impossibilities, and general intellectually prehistoric cases. Just because the world in general has caujght up with the comparative religion of the nineteenth century, a multitude of know-nothings assumes its a scientific fact that God doesn't exist, and greatly prefer things that way, Rant rant . . . " Woe unto ye ye scribes and pharisees " , Isaiah 58, etc. Yours, looking for the life of the world to come and the resurrection of the dead, . >From: j.m.young@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: AA gays and aids >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 02:19:08 -0000 > > " If memory serves me correctly, Christians didn't invent Satan, " the >Evil One " until 800 or 1000 A.D. Before that there were a multitude >of lesser evil forces from the spirit world. Satanists aren't >disbelievers in the Christian theology, they are believers angry at >one of their Gods seeking Redemption from the other. " > >Hi Ken, > >Satan is mentioned in the Book of Job in the Old Testament in the >first and second chapter, Psalms 109:6, Zechariah in the third >chapter, and 1 Chronicles 21:1 - all Old Testament - before the >hypocritical Christians came into being. Sorry, but I'm tired of >hearing blanket stereotypical descriptions of Christianity and its >practioners as everyone else is of gays, blacks, women, white men, >Jewish people, etc. etc. etc. > >jan > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2000 Report Share Posted September 9, 2000 AA gays and aids Thothtahut wrote some more offensive dreck: ----------------------------> " PLONK! " * *The sound of further messages hitting my deleted messages bin after I killfiltered this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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