Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it often in file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the issue is and how to avoid it. Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People with inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, but they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed relation to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and other vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the SCD. Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't like it. (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can taste quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just the SCD. One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense intolerant kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the SCD you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams per pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential nutrient for them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and in fact may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 In a message dated 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, AndyCutler@... writes: > Subj: [ ] SCD alert! > Date: 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time > From: AndyCutler@... > Reply-to: > > Sent from the Internet > > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it often in > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the issue > is and how to avoid it. > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People with > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, but > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed relation > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and other > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the SCD. > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't like it. > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can taste > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just the > SCD. > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense intolerant > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the SCD > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams per > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential nutrient for > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and in fact > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 i think in english he's saying that protien and fat does not provide adequate sugars(converted) and some fruit/specfic carbohydrate veges are required. theres some synergy there. a big problem i notice is in thin slicing vegs then frying and you get to high a surface area to voulme of the chip ratio and consequently to much degraded surface and oil per unit volume of consumed vege, like frying very thin slices of squash. i think the need for some direct glucose has always been there and this is refelcted in traditional food combinations with say a roast, yorkshire pud, potatoes beans carrots peas with some fruit jelly. i am still finding zinc a necessity with scd. > In a message dated 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, AndyCutler@a... > writes: > > > Subj: [ ] SCD alert! > > Date: 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time > > From: AndyCutler@a... > > Reply-to: > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it often in > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the issue > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People with > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, but > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed relation > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and other > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the SCD. > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't like it. > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can taste > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just the > > SCD. > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense intolerant > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the SCD > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams per > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential nutrient for > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and in fact > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Hi Andy, It is easy to avoid the Atkins phenomena when doing SCD by using the carbohydrates that are allowed on this diet. A mother can hide squash in the meatloaf and hamburgers. 1 cup of squash can prevent ketosis in a small child. Many of our kids love the muffins and other goodies made from the nut flours When starting SCD, fruits might be a temporary problem that resolves quickly with most children.Many kids with ASD have a reaction to the phenols in fruit,this reaction goes away as the gut heals with SCD. As children make progress with SCD they are able to avoid getting yeast from fruit and honey. This will be explained in my next post. If you cannot make your child eat the other allowed carbs on SCD,then give your child fruit. There might be a temporary setback but you will soon see progress. All the best,Mimi > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it often in > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the issue > is and how to avoid it. > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People with > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, but > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed relation > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and other > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the SCD. > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't like it. > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can taste > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just the > SCD. > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense intolerant > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the SCD > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams per > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential nutrient for > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and in fact > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 > Hi Andy, > > It is easy to avoid the Atkins phenomena when doing SCD by using the > carbohydrates that are allowed on this diet. > > A mother can hide squash in the meatloaf and hamburgers. 1 cup of > squash can prevent ketosis in a small child. Many of our kids love the > muffins and other goodies made from the nut flours Some don't, and some hate squash, and some parents also exclude fruits. It is easy to avoid the Atkins phenomenon AS LONG AS THE PARENTS KNOW TO WATCH FOR IT, which it is pretty clear many don't. So I was making sure they did know. Once they know it is easy. > When starting SCD, fruits might be a temporary problem that resolves > quickly with most children.Many kids with ASD have a reaction to the > phenols in fruit,this reaction goes away as the gut heals with SCD. > > As children make progress with SCD they are able to avoid getting > yeast from fruit and honey. This will be explained in my next post. > > If you cannot make your child eat the other allowed carbs on SCD,then > give your child fruit. There might be a temporary setback but you will > soon see progress. > > All the best,Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Tell me again what's wrong with going into ketosis? Dr. Atkins claimed it was perfectly safe - sa fat-burning mode... > > Hi, > It is not easy for me to prevent my son going into ketosis. I bought > over the counter ketoxis urine sticks and he frequently tests > positive. Sometimes low, sometimes moderate and sometimes high. > He eats LOTS of squash and other vegetables. He does not eat fruit > except pear and cannot eat nuts either. > After testing his urine everyday for several weeks, I found out that > he needs to eat some lentils, split peas or beans to not test > positive. This is very scary. I do not know if it is because of food > malabsorption (he takes digestive enzymes though) or something else, > but squash does not help him. > > > > >>I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it > often in > >>file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > >> > >>Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the > issue > >>is and how to avoid it. > >> > >>Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People > with > >>inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from > other > >>things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, > but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Not only that, but if you have a child that has problems with their kidneys, ketoacidosis can cause serious harm, because one of the side effects of burning fat--not a " clean burning " fuel--is really giving your kidneys a work out to get rid of the by-products. ALSO, children (and adults) with diabetes mellitus Type 1 should not try a high protein diet because you can become gravely ill. Trust me, ketoacidosis ain't fun. Jana Marshall <>< (a type 1 diabetic for almost 25 years, who has been ketotic and lived to tell about it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Have you had him tested to see if he might be diabetic? Ketones and sugar in the urine are a sign of diabetes also. (You can get test strips with a keto square and a glucose square and test his urine first thing in the morning, after he has his first urination. If he tests abnormal for glucose and has ketones, I would talk to a doctor pronto.) Jana Marshall <>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hi, It is not easy for me to prevent my son going into ketosis. I bought over the counter ketoxis urine sticks and he frequently tests positive. Sometimes low, sometimes moderate and sometimes high. He eats LOTS of squash and other vegetables. He does not eat fruit except pear and cannot eat nuts either. After testing his urine everyday for several weeks, I found out that he needs to eat some lentils, split peas or beans to not test positive. This is very scary. I do not know if it is because of food malabsorption (he takes digestive enzymes though) or something else, but squash does not help him. > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it often in > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the issue > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People with > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, but > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed relation > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and other > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the SCD. > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't like it. > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can taste > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just the > > SCD. > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense intolerant > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the SCD > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams per > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential nutrient for > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and in fact > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 This really makes sense - I personally have found that I don't do well with a pure protein meal - within a couple of hours of I don't feel good. I have noticed if I eat a small serving of carb with it (like potato) I feel really good for hours. I had some hormone testing done last year and one thing that showed up for me was poor adrenal function. I am thinking this may be the reason my 4 yo old zach prefers nuts, dairy and beans to meat - I think he needs the complex carbs to keep him going. He will eat every vegie on his plate before he touched his meat. This is tough with trying to fight yeast, which theoretically proliferates with all of these things. When I cut him down to meat and veggies he is positively starving - I don't feel it is enough to keep him going. He has to eat every 1 1/2 hours.This is part of why I have been pondering the whole metabolic problem... The other thing I have been reading about is that sugar stresses adrenal function, so I am also wondering if this could be part of the problem with sugar sensitive kids. Is anyone out there having success with fighting bacteria/yeast while still keeping some carbs/dairy in there? I know SCD allows squash and very specific raw dairy - but anyone else here not on SCD but also having success?? Miti > > In a message dated 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, > AndyCutler@a... > > writes: > > > > > Subj: [ ] SCD alert! > > > Date: 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time > > > From: AndyCutler@a... > > > Reply-to: > > > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it > often in > > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the > issue > > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People > with > > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from > other > > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, > but > > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed > relation > > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and > other > > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the > SCD. > > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't > like it. > > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can > taste > > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just > the > > > SCD. > > > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense > intolerant > > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the > SCD > > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams > per > > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential > nutrient for > > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and > in fact > > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 r u giving any minerals? n , " jmandmb " <jmandmb@y...> wrote: > This really makes sense - I personally have found that I don't do > well with a pure protein meal - within a couple of hours of I don't > feel good. I have noticed if I eat a small serving of carb with it > (like potato) I feel really good for hours. I had some hormone > testing done last year and one thing that showed up for me was poor > adrenal function. I am thinking this may be the reason my 4 yo old > zach prefers nuts, dairy and beans to meat - I think he needs the > complex carbs to keep him going. He will eat every vegie on his > plate before he touched his meat. This is tough with trying to fight > yeast, which theoretically proliferates with all of these things. > When I cut him down to meat and veggies he is positively starving - > I don't feel it is enough to keep him going. He has to eat every 1 > 1/2 hours.This is part of why I have been pondering the whole > metabolic problem... > > The other thing I have been reading about is that sugar stresses > adrenal function, so I am also wondering if this could be part of > the problem with sugar sensitive kids. > > Is anyone out there having success with fighting bacteria/yeast > while still keeping some carbs/dairy in there? I know SCD allows > squash and very specific raw dairy - but anyone else here not on SCD > but also having success?? > > Miti > > > > In a message dated 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, > > AndyCutler@a... > > > writes: > > > > > > > Subj: [ ] SCD alert! > > > > Date: 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time > > > > From: AndyCutler@a... > > > > Reply-to: > > > > > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it > > often in > > > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what > the > > issue > > > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. > People > > with > > > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar > from > > other > > > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a > lot, > > but > > > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed > > relation > > > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes > and > > other > > > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on > the > > SCD. > > > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't > > like it. > > > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can > > taste > > > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees > visited). > > > > > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not > just > > the > > > > SCD. > > > > > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense > > intolerant > > > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use > the > > SCD > > > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > > > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams > > per > > > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential > > nutrient for > > > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this > and > > in fact > > > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 You loose muscle mass. I've heard that a lot of people on the atkins diet complain of spongey feeling muscles... > > >>I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it > > often in > > >>file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > >> > > >>Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the > > issue > > >>is and how to avoid it. > > >> > > >>Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People > > with > > >>inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from > > other > > >>things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, > > but > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Yes, the boys are on E-Lyte liquid minerals plus extra zinc...I am thinking about trying the Brainchild minerals. I personally am not taking minerals, but probably should be! It's hard to treat yourself and your kids - somehow the kids always come first! And by the time we buy the enzymes, the minerals, the oils, the other supps, the food, and the tests - ouch in the finance department! I need to go peruse Willis Langford's paper for hyploglycemia, hypothyroidism, etc....like I have mentioned before, at least we are seeing a lot of improvement with Zach.I can tell that some healing has taken place with his gut (as opposed to 6 months ago), but obviously we still aren't there completely yet. And it's hard b/c my two boys are completely different. Zach is getting better while Wyatt seems to be getting worse. They had very similar bloodwork, yet are so different. It just goes to show how variable these kids (and adults I'm sure) are, and why each one is a little different to treat. Miti > > > > In a message dated 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, > > > AndyCutler@a... > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > Subj: [ ] SCD alert! > > > > > Date: 25/12/2003 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time > > > > > From: AndyCutler@a... > > > > > Reply-to: > > > > > > > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend > it > > > often in > > > > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > > > > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what > > the > > > issue > > > > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > > > > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. > > People > > > with > > > > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar > > from > > > other > > > > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a > > lot, > > > but > > > > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > > > > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed > > > relation > > > > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes > > and > > > other > > > > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on > > the > > > SCD. > > > > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids > don't > > > like it. > > > > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can > > > taste > > > > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees > > visited). > > > > > > > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not > > just > > > the > > > > > SCD. > > > > > > > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense > > > intolerant > > > > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use > > the > > > SCD > > > > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of > permissible > > > > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 > grams > > > per > > > > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > > > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential > > > nutrient for > > > > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > > > > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this > > and > > > in fact > > > > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 The basic take-home message seems to be: - keep things in balance - keep your common sense Each person is going to be a bit different anyway, so trying to find just one diet for everyone (particularly a very restrictive one) is a no-win battle. I read something on BED (Body Ecology Diet) and one of the 'rules' was always eat any fruit by itself away from other foods. Well, one of the fastest ways to get really sick to my stomach is to eat fruit or something really sweet on an empty stomach. Those commercials where the person is hungry or thirsty and grabs a snickers or real cola make me ill just thinking about it. But it seems to work for others. Basic hypoglycemia management is to have some protein with carbs, and eat several smaller meals. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 gtf chromium > The basic take-home message seems to be: > > - keep things in balance > - keep your common sense > > Each person is going to be a bit different anyway, so trying to find > just one diet for everyone (particularly a very restrictive one) is a > no-win battle. I read something on BED (Body Ecology Diet) and one of > the 'rules' was always eat any fruit by itself away from other foods. > Well, one of the fastest ways to get really sick to my stomach is to > eat fruit or something really sweet on an empty stomach. Those > commercials where the person is hungry or thirsty and grabs a > snickers or real cola make me ill just thinking about it. But it > seems to work for others. > > Basic hypoglycemia management is to have some protein with carbs, and > eat several smaller meals. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 , What diet is your son on? When did you start that diet? Mimi > > > I generally think the SCD is pretty useful and do recommend it > often in > > > file reviews. Many I know of had good experiences with it. > > > > > > Others have had horrible experiences and I think I know what the > issue > > > is and how to avoid it. > > > > > > Many of these kids have underperforming adrenal glands. People > with > > > inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from > other > > > things and must have some carbohydraet in their diet. not a lot, > but > > > they do very poorly on an Atkins or keto diet. > > > > > > Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to it's supposed > relation > > > to yeast. THen their picky eaters won't touch the squashes and > other > > > vegetables that are the few remaining carbohydrate sources on the > SCD. > > > Honey is permissible but many won't use it or their kids don't > like it. > > > (you may wish to try a variety of different honeys, they can > taste > > > quite a bit different depending on what flowers the bees visited). > > > > > > The kids accidentally end up on the SCD + atkins diet, not just > the > > > SCD. > > > > > > One sign that your kid is " on Atkins " is dark urine. > > > > > > If you have a hyperactive, or stress sensitive, or suspense > intolerant > > > kid or one you know ahs adrenal problems and you want to use the > SCD > > > you must ensure they consume an adequate amount of permissible > > > carbohydrate daily. It doesn't have to be a lot, 1 or 2 grams > per > > > pound is probalby enough, but they have an absolute metabolic > > > requirement for glucose or equivalent - it is an essential > nutrient for > > > them just like vitamins and minerals and protein are. > > > > > > People whose adrenals are OK don't have to worry about this and > in fact > > > may do very well on an Atkins - SCD diet. > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 > , > > What diet is your son on? SCD > When did you start that diet? End of September 2003 > > > --- In , " ferdeson " <ferdeson@y...> wrote: > > Hi, > > It is not easy for me to prevent my son going into ketosis. I bought > > over the counter ketoxis urine sticks and he frequently tests > > positive. Sometimes low, sometimes moderate and sometimes high. > > He eats LOTS of squash and other vegetables. He does not eat fruit > > except pear and cannot eat nuts either. > > After testing his urine everyday for several weeks, I found out that > > he needs to eat some lentils, split peas or beans to not test > > positive. This is very scary. I do not know if it is because of food > > malabsorption (he takes digestive enzymes though) or something else, > > but squash does not help him. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 When diabetics get ketotic, they usually also have inadequate insulin which is what causes most of the problem. Anyone who fasts for a while (a day or two) gets ketotic, anyone who is on the atkins diet is ketotic most of the time. Ketosis itself is just fine for NORMAL HEALTHY people or those whose energy metabolism is close enough to normal and healthy. Diabetes and adrenal problems are two issues that really mess with energy metabolism. As with all interventions, one needs to consider all the things that change instead of just the one they set out to change, and whether all of those changes are suitable for the individual in question. Andy . . . . . .. . . > Not only that, but if you have a child that has problems with their kidneys, > ketoacidosis can cause serious harm, because one of the side effects of > burning fat--not a " clean burning " fuel--is really giving your kidneys a work out to > get rid of the by-products. ALSO, children (and adults) with diabetes > mellitus Type 1 should not try a high protein diet because you can become gravely > ill. Trust me, ketoacidosis ain't fun. > > Jana Marshall <>< > (a type 1 diabetic for almost 25 years, who has been ketotic and lived to > tell about it.) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 > Tell me again what's wrong with going into ketosis? Dr. Atkins claimed it was > perfectly safe - sa fat-burning mode... > There is nothing wrong with it for most people. Diabetics can't do it because they usually get there by not having enough insulin, or having their insulin not work. People with inadequate adrenal activity can't do it because their bodies can't convert fat and protein into enough glucose to satisfy those few functions where there is no substitute for glucose, like most other people can do easily. The brain is very dependent on glucose. Otherwise it is fine. In historical times or in some primitive cultures a lot of the people spent much of their lives ketotic. Now the Atkins diet is bringing this to the modern world. The Keto diet for seizures is another situation where it is healthy to be ketotic. It depends on the individual. Ketosis is healthy for most (there are some MD superstitions against it but they truly can not be called anything else) but not all people. Autistic children and ADHD children often fall in the groups for which it is not healthy. Andy .. . . . . . . . .. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > > Tell me again what's wrong with going into ketosis? Dr. Atkins claimed it was > > perfectly safe - sa fat-burning mode... > > High protein diets (including the average American diet) cause a great deal of stresss on the body. The Atkins diet is an extreme example of a high protein diet. There are a number of books by doctors/nutritionists who recommend vegan or nearly vegan diet, which explain this in detail. I'll post names of books if you are interested... Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 SCD is not a high protein diet. My older son is a vegetarian,but not a vegan. He was able to do SCD and reported that he felt better while doing this diet. All the best,Mimi > > > Tell me again what's wrong with going into ketosis? Dr. Atkins > claimed it was > > > perfectly safe - sa fat-burning mode... > > > > > > High protein diets (including the average American diet) cause > a great deal of stresss on the body. The Atkins diet is an > extreme example of a high protein diet. There are a number > of books by doctors/nutritionists who recommend vegan or nearly > vegan diet, which explain this in detail. I'll post names of books > if you are interested... > > Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 My comment was on Atkins diet=== I guess I should have changed the " subject " . (Comment I responded to is about ketosis and Atkins....) Moria > > > > Tell me again what's wrong with going into ketosis? Dr. Atkins > > claimed it was > > > > perfectly safe - sa fat-burning mode... > > > > > > > > > > High protein diets (including the average American diet) cause > > a great deal of stresss on the body. The Atkins diet is an > > extreme example of a high protein diet. There are a number > > of books by doctors/nutritionists who recommend vegan or nearly > > vegan diet, which explain this in detail. I'll post names of books > > if you are interested... > > > > Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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