Re: Dietician answers protein question, Glenna etc

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I don't get it..........isn't ALL carb going to be turned to glucose??

What the heck else is it going to do??

I don't know, I just looked through the 3rd Edition of the ketodiet book

and all I can see is that the concern is that protien levels do not fall

below WHO levels (which is where the 1g per kg comes from). This is

going to really bug me now, geuss I will ask my dietican what she knows.

I do know that Hopkins apparently says that it is best not to go below a

certain amount of carb per meal (I think its 2 g but maybe a Hopkins

patient could correct me). And I still think that its only if you don't

have these mimum levels, that gluconesis is a problem.

But then again, even if we could figure out the rule for sure, there

would be some kids who would be just the opposite..........

& Hill wrote:

> Couldn't find the original message, (must be in Dec 02 archives but I

>

> couldn't trace it back from the thread) but these were Patti's and

> Jill's

> comments about it (Jill - did you happen to save the original message

> from

> the dietician?)

> No Glenna, re your previous post, I don't know what is meant by the

> min carb

> requirement, or how this is worked out, 'judgement call' is maybe the

> most

> accurate we'd get maybe?

>

>

> Re: ] Dietician answers protein question

>

>

> > Jill,

> > Well, I had also increased calories, lowered the ratio..... and had

> upped

> the protein in order help her growth and to avoid just having her get

> more

> carbs.... my decision. (Too many things at once for one thing.) Being

> on a

> lower ratio is tricky because she is hungrier due to getting more

> carbs and

> not being in such deep ketosis. I felt sorry for her and increased by

> 50

> calories per day. I think what really waylaid us was that Katera had

> back

> surgery in June for a condition that had caused her a lot of pain and

> restricted mobility for a number of months prior.... so between that

> and

> inactivity after the surgery, the calorie increase was inappropriate

> (she

> actually was using fewer calories despite the hunger) and she ended up

>

> gaining a lot, very quickly. had me keep the low ratio (2:1)

> but cut

> the calories back and put the protein back to 1 gm per kilo. So, yes,

> you're

> right...... total calories is really a big thing. But there is also

> something else to it..... keeping that balance..... and I think even

> Freeman's book talks about why it matters.... that you can't just

> trade carb

> for protein. (Don't know for sure what he says, I loaned my copy to

> someone

> recently.) I think it was my mistake in thinking that extra protein

> would go

> directly to helping her grow.... when in fact, at least according to

> ,

> it's just being in the state of ketosis that is holding her growth

> back.....

> increasing protein over the basic need was just being turned to

> glucose. I

> know..... I'm a little confused, too. I think I'm getting a glimmer of

>

> understanding, though. From how I read 's post, it sounds to me

> like

> she's saying 25% of all protein turns to glucose anyway...... but

> protein in

> excess of the body's bottom line needs will ALL turn to glucose.

> That's what

> I think she was meaning. I'll have to discuss it with her further next

> time

> I see her.

> >

> > Patti

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Jill

>

> > Hi Patti

> > Thanks for forwarding this.

> >

> > It seems the real issue then is when there are too many calories.

> >

> > Were you giving Katera extra protein that resulted in extra

> calories?

> >

> > Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see that given the

> correct

> calorie

> > allowance and ratio, that SWAPPING some of the carbohydrate for

> protein

> > would increase the availability of glucose, and hence weight. I

> would

> > think it to be the opposite as the % of carbohydrate converted to

> glucose

> > (50-60% I think) is much higher than the % of protein (20%).

> >

> > The more I try to figure this out, the more confusing it gets!

> > Jill