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I have a few friends who did not like him. They paid several

thousands and feel it was not worth it. I saw him at a conference and

feel he is knowledgeable about the vaccine/autism link. I did not get

the impression he knew what to do about it though. He also said that

most of his knowledge comes from parents who do trial and error. So

basically, IMO he is a middle man. But there are some on this list

who are very satisfied with him. Tina B

> Does anybody have any opinion on Dr. Bock The DAN doctor in new

> york??? thanks

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> I have a few friends who did not like him. They paid several

> thousands and feel it was not worth it. I saw him at a conference

and

> feel he is knowledgeable about the vaccine/autism link. I did not

get

> the impression he knew what to do about it though. He also said that

> most of his knowledge comes from parents who do trial and error. So

> basically, IMO he is a middle man.

He's a middleman between parents who don't talk to each other. With

the internet you can all talk to each other easily and cut out the

middleman. :-) . . . . .. . . . . . . .

>But there are some on this list

> who are very satisfied with him. Ti

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> Has anyone in this group taken their child to Dr. Bock for treatment? I'm

planning to

call his office soon to schedule an appointment. Since he is several hours away

from us,

I wonder how this will work out in terms of followup visits, testing, etc. But

I will do

anything to try and help my son. I'll be happy to hear of your experiences.

Thank you.

> [ ] Re: DAN doctors

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Dr.Bock's initial visit is very expensive also. If I remember correctly about

$800.

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A fellow employee from work took his son to his partner - there is

at least an 8 month wait to see Dr. Bock.

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> Dr.Bock's initial visit is very expensive also. If I remember

correctly about $800.

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I took my son to see his partner (Dr. Compain) two weeks ago. The fee

for his initial visit was $650. I think Dr. Bock is $750. We are just

getting started so I can't comment on whether any of the treatments

will help or not, but we do like Dr. Compain.

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> A fellow employee from work took his son to his partner - there is

> at least an 8 month wait to see Dr. Bock.

>

> >

> > Dr.Bock's initial visit is very expensive also. If I remember

> correctly about $800.

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Why are they so expensive? What do you get for your $650?

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> > A fellow employee from work took his son to his partner - there is

> > at least an 8 month wait to see Dr. Bock.

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> > >

> > > Dr.Bock's initial visit is very expensive also. If I remember

> > correctly about $800.

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I think some of why they are expensive is expertise, the fact that

they order bloodtests that cause reimbursement penalties from

insurance, they likely pay highrer insurance premiums. Still, while

not cheap, the fees mentioned are similar to ones charged by

mainstreamers I sought out to help my son. With complex neuro things

it is not simple to get the right help. I went to a regular neuro who

was at a prominent facility (CHOP) and said she knew nothing of

speech disorders (hello, they originate in the brain). I am currently

on a waiting list for a neurodevelopmental pediatrician who knows

apraxia but not much about what to do with it. I am comfortable

having her follow us to monitor the apraxia's path or whatever we

have's path only because we are also already seeing a metabolic

neurologist who knows the diet and supplements needed to address my

son's gut issues which seem to affect his neuro stuff greatly and,

should we need to return to speech therapy we have access to an

awesome Prompt Therapist. We are also doing NACD. For us it gives me

peace and allows me to enjoy my kids and monitor progress and regress

to give info to the docs.

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> > > A fellow employee from work took his son to his partner - there

is

> > > at least an 8 month wait to see Dr. Bock.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dr.Bock's initial visit is very expensive also. If I remember

> > > correctly about $800.

> > > >

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For our first visit I completed 27 pages of medical history and

questionnaires (here is the link to the " new patient " forms

http://www.rhinebeckhealth.com/rhc/forms/Autism%20new%20patient%

20form.pdf). I also had to provide copies of all tests we have

already done. The doctor spent about an hour and a half with us,

reviewing the records, we told him about our son, he asked questions,

did a brief medical exam of our son, then went over his

recommendations. He ordered the blood, urine and stool tests. He

recommended we begin the GF/CF diet along with a calcium/magnesium

supplement. He recommended we begin methyl-B12 shots. He also

recommended melatonin to help our son sleep. We are already giving

him fish oil, probiotics and liquid zeolite.

We go back in about 6 weeks to review the lab results and get more

specific recommendations - possibly chelation and other supplements.

He also said he may consider HBOT in the future.

Our DAN is an MD, did take a complete medical history and perform an

exam (although brief). He told us that " these kids " labs look very

similar, but their symptoms are very different, so he really didn't

need to do much of an exam of our son. We pretty much told him

everything he needed to know. And we educated ourselves before the

appointment so we already knew that our son fit the profile, he just

confirmed it for us. He did not make any promises to " cure " our son

and I knew this going into the appointment.

Is $650 expensive? I guess that depends on how you define

expensive. Thankfully we have been blessed to be able to afford it.

I will turn this in to our insurance and hopefully they will cover

some of it. We have good insurance, but even if they don't cover any

of it, I do not have any regrets paying it. If I could not afford

the visit, I would have tried some of these things on my own (GF/CF

diet and melatonin).

As I have said before, we have just started so I cannot comment on

whether this protocol is helping.

I can say however, that the melatonin is WONDERFUL! Our son goes to

sleep within 10 to 20 minutes of taking it! Much better than chasing

him around the house until midnight! He doesn't always sleep through

the night, but if he wakes up, he usually goes right back to sleep

when I put him back in bed. This stuff works so fast it seems like I

am giving him a drug, but it is a NATURAL supplement!

Hope this is helpful.

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> Why are they so expensive? What do you get for your $650?

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Why do you want a DAN doctor? Does your child have autism? What does that mean

that

' " these kids " labs look the same'? Did the medical exam include assessment of

speech

production and oral-motor function?

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> For our first visit I completed 27 pages of medical history and

> questionnaires

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Thank you for all the details. Yes it is helpful to see that our pediatrician

who is an MD and homeopath uses a similar DAN protocol and we've been through

similar tests and supplements. This is a new emerging field. The tests are

getting perfected all the time, the protocols change and adapt to each child's

needs. My daughter had no sleeping issues, she has skin issues and that's what

took us to alternative health care to begin with. it was only later that we

discovered that it may very well be the best thing we've ever done for her as

she is gluten/casein/soy/corn intolerant and had severe absorption issues we

would have never suspected since she has no digestive signs. So we do indeed

feel very blessed to have discovered biomedical approaches to address her

metabolic disorders and everything else that comes with it.

Biomedical approaches are catered to the individual's specific health needs and

that does take more time, more knowledge and it is more of a trial and error,

but let's not kid ourselves, so is every drug on the market and the doctors know

it. As far as clinical trials, those too are more difficult and I don't really

know about anybody else, but at this point, not only are such things impossible

to carry out due to each child's unique metabolic profile, but I would not allow

my child to take part in a clinical trial for say fish oil or B12 for example,

when I know these are things she absolutely needs and I do not want the

possibility of her being in the " control " group and receiving a placebo. So by

definition, these very individualized approaches will never have the same type

of data as the one drug cures all Big Pharma approaches. Now they can critique

it all they want, but surely parents and all those who understand biomedicine

know why this is an invalid critique.

Anyway, thank you for the info. It helps to see that the protocols are very

similar and we are not overlooking anything.

Elena, mom to Ziana age 3.10, severely apraxic but otherwise a happy healthy

child and progressing well since appropriate speech therapy/diet/supplements

have been implemented

amieestrella <mestrell@...> wrote: For our first visit I completed 27

pages of medical history and

questionnaires (here is the link to the " new patient " forms

http://www.rhinebeckhealth.com/rhc/forms/Autism%20new%20patient%

20form.pdf). I also had to provide copies of all tests we have

already done. The doctor spent about an hour and a half with us,

reviewing the records, we told him about our son, he asked questions,

did a brief medical exam of our son, then went over his

recommendations. He ordered the blood, urine and stool tests. He

recommended we begin the GF/CF diet along with a calcium/magnesium

supplement. He recommended we begin methyl-B12 shots. He also

recommended melatonin to help our son sleep. We are already giving

him fish oil, probiotics and liquid zeolite.

We go back in about 6 weeks to review the lab results and get more

specific recommendations - possibly chelation and other supplements.

He also said he may consider HBOT in the future.

Our DAN is an MD, did take a complete medical history and perform an

exam (although brief). He told us that " these kids " labs look very

similar, but their symptoms are very different, so he really didn't

need to do much of an exam of our son. We pretty much told him

everything he needed to know. And we educated ourselves before the

appointment so we already knew that our son fit the profile, he just

confirmed it for us. He did not make any promises to " cure " our son

and I knew this going into the appointment.

Is $650 expensive? I guess that depends on how you define

expensive. Thankfully we have been blessed to be able to afford it.

I will turn this in to our insurance and hopefully they will cover

some of it. We have good insurance, but even if they don't cover any

of it, I do not have any regrets paying it. If I could not afford

the visit, I would have tried some of these things on my own (GF/CF

diet and melatonin).

As I have said before, we have just started so I cannot comment on

whether this protocol is helping.

I can say however, that the melatonin is WONDERFUL! Our son goes to

sleep within 10 to 20 minutes of taking it! Much better than chasing

him around the house until midnight! He doesn't always sleep through

the night, but if he wakes up, he usually goes right back to sleep

when I put him back in bed. This stuff works so fast it seems like I

am giving him a drug, but it is a NATURAL supplement!

Hope this is helpful.

>

> Why are they so expensive? What do you get for your $650?

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The reason I sought out a DAN doctor is because my son is borderline

autistic (not officially diagnosed, but our ped. neuro. is

considering it a possibility). We have had an MRI, EEG, CT scan and

genetic testing done. All of these tests came back normal. My son

inhaled meconium (toxic) at birth, had acid reflux from age 2 months

to 1 year, used a nebulizer from age 5 months to 2 years, said " ma

ma " at 8 months and can no longer say it, he had numerous ear

infections and thus many rounds of antibiotics, his nose is often

congested and runny, his stools have always been odd (strained to

pass them as an infant, has undigested food in them, somtimes loose,

sometimes dry and hard). He has self stimulating movements. He

grinds his teeth and puts a lot of things in his mouth. He has

difficulty sleeping. He is very hyper - can't sit still. He has had

speech therapy, OT and PT for 4 years (began at age 1, he is now 5).

He has made nice gains in PT, some gains in OT, but very little gains

in speech. He cannot blow bubbles or blow out candles. He cannot

make sounds upon request. His SLP from school told me she can get

him to make 20 sounds (not specific sounds, just any sound) on

request, but I have not seen him do this.

Based on my son's symptoms and what I have read about the biomedical

approach, I thought my son possibly fit the profile so I decided to

pursue it.

By ' " these kids " labs look the same' the doctor meant that they

usually have the same deficiencies.

I provided the doctor wth the latest assessment of speech production

and oral-motor function performed by my son's SLP (completed in 2/08).

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