Re: Desparate Help Need-Son is getting Suisidal

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Additionally to any diet or chelation, I would consider home-schooling.

Dagmar.

[ ] Desparate Help Need-Son is getting Suisidal

Hello,

I have been submerged in this world of gathering information to understand the

role food can play in regards to our children's behavior; physical; and mental

stability. This has been immensely useful for me as I have determined my

daughter has a serious yeast overgrowth problem. She is not considered

autistic, however with her problems I know believe we are all in the same boat.

All in the world of realizing that to varying degrees and varies end results,

food/metals/environmental elements are at the root of probably most mentally

challenged problems.

My neighbor's 8 year old son has been " off " for some time now. He is proving

to be basically brilliant (although he is struggling in school for other

reasons), has problems making eye contact; is highly volatile, depressed,

socially doesn't click with his peers as he would rather watch a show about the

Rise and Fall of Sudam Hussein then pokey man. The food red flags have been

there for some time. At the age of 2, he would only eat bread and milk, an

occasional fruit or vegetable. But as the " experts " say because he was

progressing physically all was fine-just be sure to give a Flintstone vitamin.

This year things really started getting more unbearable, mostly stemming from

the social pressures at a public school for a child with this make up. Going to

see a psychiatrist, they acknowledged he was suffering from depression and put

his on paxil. Temporary fix, but then more problems started to seriously arise.

Now recently he went to another doctor that confirmed he actually had bi-polar

disorder, and they tell them the paxil triggered the condition. (Mental

problems do run in both sides of the family history.) So to fix that problem 3

weeks ago they put him on lithium.

Bringing me now to my desperate plea, his mom confided in me that he is

suicidal, They literally had to carry him to get him into school yesterday. The

kicker to all of this is that I am attempteing to express to her what I have

learned regarding this role of food, she informs me that now her sons diet is

ONLY bread. Sprinkled in occationally with a bowl of sugary cereal; fruit roll

ups; juice.

If there ever was a case of how this child's brain is literally going crazy

due to some food issue, he would be classic. Something has taken over, assuming

it is a gluten allergy; yeast infection; pedtide issue; leaky gut, or ALL! At

this point although she embraces what I am telling her, she is so overwhelmed

and confused she doesn't know what to do. We have 2 weeks off with the school

break and I am telling her she has to do WHATEVER it takes to pull the carbs

from him. Assuming it must be like pulling an addict. She is thinking that

trying to get her son to change his diet is not possible. But I know some of

you out there know what she is going through, understanding that it seems

virtually impossible. Please if someone wouldn't mind talking with her

personally to share email me privately at karitrautman@....

She is going to see an expert in the field of child psychiatry tomorrow,

someone at Stanford University. I am just praying that this " expert " must

surely be aware of this biological connection and can shed light on this issue.

Not to say that it will fix everything, but the one thing I have learned here is

that it can play often a pivotal role to it all, and without fixing this element

successful treatment is virtually doomed.

Thanks for your time.

Kari

[Guest guest]

Kari, I would highly, highly recommend this mother rethink forcing

her son to go to a school that he is so against attending, esp when

social isolation is an issue. It sounds like the suicidal issues

could be as much from his environment as his biological issues. Tony

Atwood encourages homeschooling when social isolation is an issue,

particularly during high school.

Debi

> Hello,

> I have been submerged in this world of gathering information to

understand the role food can play in regards to our children's

behavior; physical; and mental stability. This has been immensely

useful for me as I have determined my daughter has a serious yeast

overgrowth problem. She is not considered autistic, however with

her problems I know believe we are all in the same boat. All in the

world of realizing that to varying degrees and varies end results,

food/metals/environmental elements are at the root of probably most

mentally challenged problems.

> My neighbor's 8 year old son has been " off " for some time now. He

is proving to be basically brilliant (although he is struggling in

school for other reasons), has problems making eye contact; is

highly volatile, depressed, socially doesn't click with his peers as

he would rather watch a show about the Rise and Fall of Sudam

Hussein then pokey man. The food red flags have been there for some

time. At the age of 2, he would only eat bread and milk, an

occasional fruit or vegetable. But as the " experts " say because he

was progressing physically all was fine-just be sure to give a

Flintstone vitamin.

> This year things really started getting more unbearable, mostly

stemming from the social pressures at a public school for a child

with this make up. Going to see a psychiatrist, they acknowledged

he was suffering from depression and put his on paxil. Temporary

fix, but then more problems started to seriously arise. Now

recently he went to another doctor that confirmed he actually had bi-

polar disorder, and they tell them the paxil triggered the

condition. (Mental problems do run in both sides of the family

history.) So to fix that problem 3 weeks ago they put him on

lithium.

> Bringing me now to my desperate plea, his mom confided in me that

he is suicidal, They literally had to carry him to get him into

school yesterday. The kicker to all of this is that I am

attempteing to express to her what I have learned regarding this

role of food, she informs me that now her sons diet is ONLY bread.

Sprinkled in occationally with a bowl of sugary cereal; fruit roll

ups; juice.

> If there ever was a case of how this child's brain is literally

going crazy due to some food issue, he would be classic. Something

has taken over, assuming it is a gluten allergy; yeast infection;

pedtide issue; leaky gut, or ALL! At this point although she

embraces what I am telling her, she is so overwhelmed and confused

she doesn't know what to do. We have 2 weeks off with the school

break and I am telling her she has to do WHATEVER it takes to pull

the carbs from him. Assuming it must be like pulling an addict.

She is thinking that trying to get her son to change his diet is not

possible. But I know some of you out there know what she is going

through, understanding that it seems virtually impossible. Please

if someone wouldn't mind talking with her personally to share email

me privately at karitrautman@e...

> She is going to see an expert in the field of child psychiatry

tomorrow, someone at Stanford University. I am just praying that

this " expert " must surely be aware of this biological connection and

can shed light on this issue. Not to say that it will fix

everything, but the one thing I have learned here is that it can

play often a pivotal role to it all, and without fixing this element

successful treatment is virtually doomed.

> Thanks for your time.

> Kari

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/17/03 9:32:48 PM Central Standard Time,

robbiev911@... writes:

> Chelate this kid. Give lots of anti-ox and pre load with zinc.

>

> >Keep this kid away from meds until you speak

>

A few words of caution -- the parents probably already know this but much

care needs to be taken in weaning a child off of some medications. Sometimes

abruptly stopping a med -- SSRI/Paxil for instance -- can lead to major

problems.

Also, care needs to be taken with zinc and some other antioxidents in an

emotional volatile person. Zinc, in particular, can have a symptom of emotional

volatility if you have too little or too much.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

How old is the child? Chelate this kid. Give lots of

anti-ox and pre load with zinc. Have Cutler do a file

review[tell him ASAP!!! that the child is

suicidal!}Keep this kid away from meds until you speak

to Cutler[some meds can make the child WORSE.I wish

you the best and will keep you in my thoughts and

prayers.

--- Martha <martha_t_adams@...> wrote:

> Kari,

>

> I am FAR from an expert as I have just started to

> look at diet issues for my two children about 2

> months ago. However as I am a prefessional

> researcher by trade I have thrown myself into this

> endevor. My son is ADHD and 7 years old and due to

> bi-polar running in our family I have not (and will

> not) put him on medication for fear on inducing

> early on-set bi-polar. My daughter is 4.5 and thus

> far NT.

>

> My suggestion is that she starts with enzymes. They

> can help heal the gut and it is possible that as the

> gut heals that she can wean her son off the gluten

> rich diet. If her children are like mine, if she

> goes cold turkey her child may decide to starve

> instead of eat the other food provided.

>

> Now I am saying this because this is my plan. My 4

> year old ONLYeats pepridge farm goldfish and drinks

> milk NOTHING else. When the school holidays begin

> (she is in Pre-K) I am goin to start her on the

> Houston AFP Peptizyde. My son eats marginally

> better, but also very limited diet. Due to yeast

> issues and artificial falvor/colors in his poor diet

> I pan to start him on Houston No Fenol.

>

> Suggest that she read Defelice's Web site

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/

>

> and buy her book. They are excellent resources

> about diet/gut/enzyme reactions.

>

> Also here is the link to the Houston Web Site

>

http://216.114.78.114/webcenter/sites/HNI/Home.asp?SID=3428 & N=Home

>

> The main issue is that diet while an important fix

> is not a quick fix and it is going to take time to

> undo all the damage that her son's (and my kids)

> poor diet has done to them!

>

> Also while in no way an expert from how you describe

> this boy and his symptoms Aspergers jumps to my mind

> as a dx.

>

> Martha

>

>

> Kari Trautman <karitrautman@...> wrote:

> My neighbor's 8 year old son has been " off " for some

> time now. He is proving to be basically brilliant

> (although he is struggling in school for other

> reasons), has problems making eye contact; is highly

> volatile, depressed, socially doesn't click with his

> peers as he would rather watch a show about the Rise

> and Fall of Sudam Hussein then pokey man. The food

> red flags have been there for some time. At the age

> of 2, he would only eat bread and milk, an

> occasional fruit or vegetable. But as the " experts "

> say because he was progressing physically all was

> fine-just be sure to give a Flintstone vitamin.

> This year things really started getting more

> unbearable, mostly stemming from the social

> pressures at a public school for a child with this

> make up. Going to see a psychiatrist, they

> acknowledged he was suffering from depression and

> put his on paxil. Temporary fix, but then more

> problems started to seriously arise. Now recently

> he went to another doctor that confirmed he actually

> had bi-polar disorder, and they tell them the paxil

> triggered the condition. (Mental problems do run in

> both sides of the family history.) So to fix that

> problem 3 weeks ago they put him on lithium.

> Bringing me now to my desperate plea, his mom

> confided in me that he is suicidal, They literally

> had to carry him to get him into school yesterday.

> The kicker to all of this is that I am attempteing

> to express to her what I have learned regarding this

> role of food, she informs me that now her sons diet

> is ONLY bread. Sprinkled in occationally with a

> bowl of sugary cereal; fruit roll ups; juice.

> If there ever was a case of how this child's brain

> is literally going crazy due to some food issue, he

> would be classic. Something has taken over,

> assuming it is a gluten allergy; yeast infection;

> pedtide issue; leaky gut, or ALL! At this point

> although she embraces what I am telling her, she is

> so overwhelmed and confused she doesn't know what to

> do. We have 2 weeks off with the school break and I

> am telling her she has to do WHATEVER it takes to

> pull the carbs from him. Assuming it must be like

> pulling an addict. She is thinking that trying to

> get her son to change his diet is not possible. But

> I know some of you out there know what she is going

> through, understanding that it seems virtually

> impossible. Please if someone wouldn't mind talking

> with her personally to share email me privately at

> karitrautman@....

> She is going to see an expert in the field of child

> psychiatry tomorrow, someone at Stanford University.

> I am just praying that this " expert " must surely be

> aware of this biological connection and can shed

> light on this issue. Not to say that it will fix

> everything, but the one thing I have learned here is

> that it can play often a pivotal role to it all, and

> without fixing this element successful treatment is

> virtually doomed.

> Thanks for your time.

> Kari

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[Guest guest]

As someone else mentioned, suggest that she add plant-based enzymes and

probiotics ASAP, which may make the transition away from gluten go more

smoothly. Going off gluten will also go more smoothly if there's none in the

house (i.e. everybody in the household does the diet at home, at least long

enough for the kid to realize it helps.

She should also order a DDI hair analysis IMO and apply counting rules. Don't

expect the psychiatrist to understand diet issues or heavy metals issues. It

would surprise me if they did. Does he have mercury amalgam dental fillings,

have dental work done recently? Did he get the flu shot or other vaccines this

year? These could have triggered his recent decline.

S

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Hello,<BR>

I have been submerged in this world of gathering information to understand the

role food can play in regards to our children's behavior; physical; and mental

stability.  This has been immensely useful for me as I have determined my

daughter has a serious yeast overgrowth problem.  She is not considered

autistic, however with her problems I know believe we are all in the same boat. 

All in the world of realizing that to varying degrees and varies end results, 

food/metals/environmental elements are at the root of probably most mentally

challenged problems.<BR>

My neighbor's 8 year old son has been " off " for some time now.  He is proving to

be basically brilliant (although he is struggling in school for other reasons),

has problems making eye contact; is highly volatile, depressed, socially doesn't

click with his peers as he would rather watch a show about the Rise and Fall of

Sudam Hussein then pokey man.  The food red flags have been there for some

time.  At the age of 2, he would only eat bread and milk, an occasional fruit or

vegetable.  But as the " experts " say because he was progressing physically all

was fine-just be sure to give a Flintstone vitamin.  <BR>

This year things really started getting more unbearable, mostly stemming from

the social pressures at a public school for a child with this make up.  Going to

see a psychiatrist, they acknowledged he was suffering from depression and put

his on paxil.  Temporary fix, but then more problems started to seriously

arise.  Now recently he went to another doctor that confirmed he actually had

bi-polar disorder, and they tell them the paxil triggered the condition. 

(Mental problems do run in both sides of the family history.)  So to fix that

problem 3 weeks ago they put him on lithium.<BR>

Bringing me now to my desperate plea, his mom confided in me that he is

suicidal, They literally had to carry him to get him into school yesterday.  The

kicker to all of this is that I am attempteing to express to her what I have

learned regarding this role of food, she informs me that now her sons diet is

ONLY bread.  Sprinkled in occationally with a bowl of sugary cereal; fruit roll

ups; juice.<BR>

If there ever was a case of how this child's brain is literally going crazy due

to some food issue, he would be classic.  Something has taken over, assuming it

is a gluten allergy; yeast infection; pedtide issue; leaky gut, or ALL!  At this

point although she embraces what I am telling her, she is so overwhelmed and

confused she doesn't know what to do.  We have 2 weeks off with the school break

and I am telling her she has to do WHATEVER it takes to pull the carbs from

him.  Assuming it must be like pulling an addict.  She is thinking that trying

to get her son to change his diet is not possible.  But I know some of you out

there know what she is going through, understanding that it seems virtually

impossible.  Please if someone wouldn't mind talking with her personally to

share email me privately at karitrautman@....<BR>

She is going to see an expert in the field of child psychiatry tomorrow, someone

at Stanford University.  I am just praying that this " expert " must surely be

aware of this biological connection and can shed light on this issue.  Not to

say that it will fix everything, but the one thing I have learned here is that

it can play often a pivotal role to it all, and without fixing this element

successful treatment is virtually doomed.<BR>

Thanks for your time.<BR>

Kari<BR>

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--- In , " Kari Trautman " <karitrautman@e...>

wrote:

> Bringing me now to my desperate plea, his mom confided in me that he is

suicidal, They literally had to carry him to get him into

school yesterday. The kicker to all of this is that I am attempteing to express

to her what I have learned regarding this role of food,

she informs me that now her sons diet is ONLY bread. Sprinkled in occationally

with a bowl of sugary cereal; fruit roll ups; juice.

I would consider giving him enzymes. He might take them more easily than

removing foods, and they might help him. Especially

consider AFP Peptizyde and No-Fenol

http://www.houstonni.com/

I would also remove him from school, because it is apparent that something at

school is very upsetting to him. After a few days at

home, maybe he will settle down sufficiently to be able to explain why he hates

it there.

Dana