Re: infant vaccinations/symptoms

April 29, 2003

I frequent a board at Mothering.com there are some very wonderful women there

they have a vaccine and health and healing board there check it out.

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April 29, 2003

Is she now technically " yours " , meaning the adoption has gone

through? If so, then I would consider holding off on any more vaxes

because IMO yes, it does sound as though she is having bad reactions

to the vaxes based on the crying and the other behaviors you are

seeing.

As far as treatment now... my first suggestion would be to start some

epsom salt baths. I don't know if there is a File for it on this

board or not, but I have some info on it if you want to email me

privately

maryandphilip@...

I mean, yes, you are right in that most text will talk about

regressions around 18 months of age, but that is generally the more

dramatic loss of speech/failure to speak that is typically associated

with autism. What you are describing could be considered " sensory

integration dysfunction " type of symptoms, and those can start early

on, as you are seeing. Some kids with sensory-only symptoms go on to

fit into categories such as autism, pdd, adhd, ocd, etc., so it is

good that you are noticing these signs early and can start to help

your baby's body heal.

I know on the TLC-SID board, there is a file on Cranio Sacral Therapy

and the listowner (Barb Carr) is an Occupational Therapist with

specialty in sensory integration, and she has an affinity for biomed

and alternative treatments for kids with sensory issues, so you might

want to join that board and ask her for some suggestions, too.

W

> She is

> now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last

vaccines > a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There

are other> things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person

who's > holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am

wondering > if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to

indicate 18 > months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination

treatment is > available, I'd like to know before any further damage

occurs. HELP!

April 29, 2003

There are no " absolutely safe " vaccines. Get a copy of Cave's book,

" What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Childhood Vaccines " . Do you know the

birth parents' health history? What you describe sounds like vaccine reactions

IMO.

S

From: Shannan [mailto: countryschool4us@...]

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:19:58 -0000

Subject: [ ] infant vaccinations/symptoms

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Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed from

vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to have

Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age. She is

now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last vaccines

a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There are other

things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am wondering

if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination treatment is

available, I'd like to know before any further damage occurs. HELP!

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April 29, 2003

> Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed from

> vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

> our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

> because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to have

> Hep B at birth,

My son showed a reaction to HepB at birth, no other reactions to any

of his vax, and I allowed all of them until he was age 4 [no

boosters]. He was very severely autistic " from birth " , until I began

chelation.

It sounds like your child should have no more vaccinations.

>>All the sites seem only to indicate 18 months and up for symptoms.

My son did not regress, he was always this way until I removed most of

the metals.

Dana

April 29, 2003

Yes, you should be concerned. Mercury poisoning from thimerosol and other

vaccine reactions certainly start before 18 months. My son's symptoms

started at 4-6 months. Look in the files on this list and you'll find lots

of information.

Barb

[ ] infant vaccinations/symptoms

> Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed from

> vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

> our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

> because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to have

> Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

> meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age. She is

> now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last vaccines

> a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There are other

> things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am wondering

> if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination treatment is

> available, I'd like to know before any further damage occurs. HELP!

>

> =======================================================

>

April 29, 2003

There are three idiot components to these vaccines, which Null

indicates quite clearly in his paper Vaccines:A second opinion.

1) Mercury from thimerosal

2) The viruses themeselves injected directly into the body

3) The animal byproducts the viruses are cultured in.

There are several ways to go to chelate the mercury out of the child's body.

PCA-Rx, Andy Cutler's protocol, and more. See this list.

2)The viruses can be attacked with Rife machine electronic frequencies,

hyperbaric oxygen, and nutrition

3)The animal byproducts can be attacked with hyperbaric oxygen, nutrition,

Rife and herbs.

Draw courage from the people on this site.

>From: " romkemas " <jromkema@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] infant vaccinations/symptoms

>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:15:40 -0500

>

>Yes, you should be concerned. Mercury poisoning from thimerosol and other

>vaccine reactions certainly start before 18 months. My son's symptoms

>started at 4-6 months. Look in the files on this list and you'll find lots

>of information.

>Barb

> [ ] infant vaccinations/symptoms

>

> > Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed from

> > vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

> > our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

> > because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> > appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to have

> > Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

> > meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age. She is

> > now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last vaccines

> > a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There are other

> > things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> > holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am wondering

> > if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> > months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination treatment is

> > available, I'd like to know before any further damage occurs. HELP!

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

April 30, 2003

> Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed from

> vaccinations?

oh, um, you mean like maybe crying and fussing continually,

and screaming all the time? These are signs that are very

obvious to anyone that something is

wrong. Apparently your baby did not do this prior to this

vaccination. But now she does. Something changed. Perhaps

it is " something else " but what?

> We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

> our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

> because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to have

> Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

> meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age. She is

> now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last vaccines

> a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed.

I have read a lot of posts with stories like yours: child gets

vaccinated and cries or screams for days or weeks.

Very disturbing, and I have not met the kids, only read about

it. Much more disturbing in person, I'm sure.

> There are other

> things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am wondering

> if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> months and up for symptoms.

Obviously, these sites have not met your baby.

best,

Moria

April 30, 2003

--- In , " moriamerri " <moriam@e...>

wrote:

> > There are other

> > things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> > holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am

wondering

> > if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> > months and up for symptoms.

>

> Obviously, these sites have not met your baby.

I love this comment!

=)

Dana

April 30, 2003

The reason you are only seeing information indicating symptoms for babies 18

months and older is simply a lack of knowledge and research. Unfortunately the

funding has never been there for autism research so the data hasn't been

compiled. I knew with my son from the time he was about a year old that

" something wasn't right " . It took visits to neurologists, psychologists,

audiologists,etc and about 2 years more of time before anyone would give him a

diagnosis. The signs are there, doctors just don't have the education in

spotting them, so they are reluctant to " guess " .

There is a study being done right now that's working on formatting a check-list

of symptoms for children as young as 6months. Things like responding to the

parent's face, babbling, reaching for a toy, and the like, are being ear-marked

as reliable indicators of a future diagnosis of autism.

I would also add that you are right to be concerned about your daughter. As the

person who spends the most time with her, you are going to be able to tell

before anyone else if something feels " off " with your baby. Don't let any

so-called " professional " who spends 20 minutes or so of his busy day with her,

tell you that your concerns are ungrounded!

[ ] Re: infant vaccinations/symptoms

> > There are other

> > things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> > holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am

wondering

> > if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> > months and up for symptoms.

>

> Obviously, these sites have not met your baby.

I love this comment!

=)

Dana

May 1, 2003

I have a 8 months old daughter and I completely understand your

fears. After reading your post today I " checked " her and she does not

always look at me when I hold her... she does bang her head sometimes

in her crib, she plays with her fingers in front of her eyes... But

she also babbles a lot, she just started pointing, she imitates when

playing with toys! For now, I just try not to worry too much! She got

all her vaccins until she was 4 months old.

I read one of the most early syptoms is to not wave bye bye. I do not

know if it is true for most autistic children, but it was true for my

son.

Frederique

> Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed

from

> vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but allowed

> our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely safe "

> because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to

have

> Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

> meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age. She

is

> now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last

vaccines

> a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There are

other

> things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am

wondering

> if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination treatment is

> available, I'd like to know before any further damage occurs. HELP!

May 1, 2003

Frederique,

Thank you for the encuoragement. It's so easy to go into panic

mode! I don't think all is lost, and we are going to head things off

with avoiding further vaccines. Shannan

> > Are there any immediate indications that a baby has been harmed

> from

> > vaccinations? We are conservative about immunizations, but

allowed

> > our baby to have a few that the doc promised were " absolutely

safe "

> > because we are in the middle of adopting her, and didn't want to

> > appear neglectful. Unfortunately, her birth mom allowed her to

> have

> > Hep B at birth, but thereafter we allowed hib, pneumoccocal,

> > meningitis, and polio (not oral) through 4 1/2 months of age.

She

> is

> > now 5 1/2 months, and since the first 30 minutes of the last

> vaccines

> > a month ago, she has cried and fussed and screamed. There are

> other

> > things I am noticing (avoiding eye contact with the person who's

> > holding her, flapping her arms, hitting her head), and I am

> wondering

> > if I should be concerned. All the sites seem only to indicate 18

> > months and up for symptoms. If any anti-vaccination treatment is

> > available, I'd like to know before any further damage occurs.

HELP!

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