Re: got some klenex

[Guest guest]

Rose,

I totally know where you are coming from. I HATE holidays. When I

was offered my job which is weekends and holidays, I jumped on it.

There are people in my extended family that I find repulsing and it

makes me physically ill to be around them. I also hate gift giving.

No one appreciates anything anymore, especially kids. I have so much

fun at work on the holidays. We watch movies, talk and eat--well I

try to. Tomorrow at work they are serving cornish game hens and the

fixings--I get my meal free as an employee. It's said that I have

more fun working then I would with my family.

It's so hard to be merry when you feel like crap. I hope you'll find

some joy in your holiday. I know I certainly find joy when I get

things done around the house.

Happy Holidays,

Angel

> tonight we spend x-mas together...there's just the 3

> of us in my family...i was just not up to making

> dinner, plus i couldn't afford to buy all the stuff,

> so there ordering out...yup, guess who won't be eating

> tonight, except for a little piece of the lemon/lime

> cheese cake i bought for them and a carton of fat free

> eggnog...my son just got home awhile ago and it

> started, the arguing, the stress, the tears, my

> tummy...can't wait till tomorrow and i'll be alone

> (better than it sounds) got tons to do around the

> house,gonna try to put a dent in that...i know you

> guys understand, being sick so long and so much,

> nothing gets done and for me no one else is gonna do

> it, so i have to take the time i'm on holiday and

> should be relaxing to try and get some of it done, but

> i'm gonna take some me time and have a nice long hot

> bath and make a nice meal for myself...for now i need

> to go cry alittle more and then all will be all right

>

> May this year's holiday find you and your familys in

> the greatest of spirits, better health and with an

> unending string of opportunities to bring joy to one

> anothers lives.

>

> WISHING YA'LL HAVE A PAINFREE AND JOYFULL MERRY CHRISTMASS

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

have a great day at work...my christmas eve ended up

turning out all right...but i'm gonna pay for it, they

got chinies and i couldn't resist, its been so long

since i had that, so i pigged out, i mean really

pigged out...besides a big plate of assorted stuff, 2

big glasses of skim milk, a big piece of cheese cake

and a whole carton of no fat eggnog LOL...it took me

quite awhile to eat it all, i seem to eat so slowly

these days...hopefully my tummy will spare me and not

cause me too much pain, but damn it was worth it...oh

and because i'm so broke these days, my son got the

cheepest (in price) presents he has ever gotton, spent

about a hundred, i usually spend way too much, last

year was a almost 2 grand 8 track digital recorder, so

his band can start recording there stuff, mixing it

and making cd's...but this year he was total pleased

and very thankfull...sometimes they just astonish you

--- mynameis_Angel wrote:

> Rose,

>

> I totally know where you are coming from. I HATE

> holidays. When I

> was offered my job which is weekends and holidays, I

> jumped on it.

> There are people in my extended family that I find

> repulsing and it

> makes me physically ill to be around them. I also

> hate gift giving.

> No one appreciates anything anymore, especially

> kids. I have so much

> fun at work on the holidays. We watch movies, talk

> and eat--well I

> try to. Tomorrow at work they are serving cornish

> game hens and the

> fixings--I get my meal free as an employee. It's

> said that I have

> more fun working then I would with my family.

>

> It's so hard to be merry when you feel like crap. I

> hope you'll find

> some joy in your holiday. I know I certainly find

> joy when I get

> things done around the house.

>

> Happy Holidays,

>

> Angel

>

>

>

>

> > tonight we spend x-mas together...there's just the

> 3

> > of us in my family...i was just not up to making

> > dinner, plus i couldn't afford to buy all the

> stuff,

> > so there ordering out...yup, guess who won't be

> eating

> > tonight, except for a little piece of the

> lemon/lime

> > cheese cake i bought for them and a carton of fat

> free

> > eggnog...my son just got home awhile ago and it

> > started, the arguing, the stress, the tears, my

> > tummy...can't wait till tomorrow and i'll be alone

> > (better than it sounds) got tons to do around the

> > house,gonna try to put a dent in that...i know you

> > guys understand, being sick so long and so much,

> > nothing gets done and for me no one else is gonna

> do

> > it, so i have to take the time i'm on holiday and

> > should be relaxing to try and get some of it done,

> but

> > i'm gonna take some me time and have a nice long

> hot

> > bath and make a nice meal for myself...for now i

> need

> > to go cry alittle more and then all will be all

> right

> >

> > May this year's holiday find you and your familys

> in

> > the greatest of spirits, better health and with an

> > unending string of opportunities to bring joy to

> one

> > anothers lives.

> >

> > WISHING YA'LL HAVE A PAINFREE AND JOYFULL MERRY

> CHRISTMASS

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Rose,

Like Angel, I like working the holiday's. Well maybe not Christmas.

But I will purposely work mothers day so I do not have to be with my

mother. Don't get me wrong, she is very loving and concerned about

me. But it is at a point where it is getting on my nerves. She can be

very self centered. My sister is here from Ohio, and I am going out

with her on the 26th. I have had a rotten couple of days and her

comment was, " you can't be sick on Christmas " , like I have control

over it.

My mom was more concerned that was going out, not if I felt

well.Do not fell alone about not having money. I have not recieved my

disability check yet.My husband usually get two check at christmas

because his office is closed for two weeks. Well this year he only

gets one. Of all years for them to only get one. $40.00 in bank until

someone gets a check.

We are also celebrating two birthdays today. My mom ask if I got them

gifts. NO. I was more concerned that my kids got their gifts, and we

could eat. I could not even fill stocking for my kids. My husband and

I are not even exchanging gifts. And she wants to know if I got them

gifts.

I am blessed with kids and a husband who are very understanding. I

feel horrible because my health ruins many things and this year it is

their Christmas. I just have to remember that beyond the arguing (yes

we have many of them), the frustration of me being sick, and a mother

who is very self centered, is that my health and sanity has to come

first. If I can not go out with my sister, so be it. I have to make

the best of what I have.

Well enough complaining from me. But thanks it felt good to get out

what has been bothering me.

I hope your have a very merry Christmas, and a pain free one. I know

I plan on not letting my mother get to me. And if she does, I will

just take a pain pill and zone out.

Cheryl

> tonight we spend x-mas together...there's just the 3

> of us in my family...i was just not up to making

> dinner, plus i couldn't afford to buy all the stuff,

> so there ordering out...yup, guess who won't be eating

> tonight, except for a little piece of the lemon/lime

> cheese cake i bought for them and a carton of fat free

> eggnog...my son just got home awhile ago and it

> started, the arguing, the stress, the tears, my

> tummy...can't wait till tomorrow and i'll be alone

> (better than it sounds) got tons to do around the

> house,gonna try to put a dent in that...i know you

> guys understand, being sick so long and so much,

> nothing gets done and for me no one else is gonna do

> it, so i have to take the time i'm on holiday and

> should be relaxing to try and get some of it done, but

> i'm gonna take some me time and have a nice long hot

> bath and make a nice meal for myself...for now i need

> to go cry alittle more and then all will be all right

>

> May this year's holiday find you and your familys in

> the greatest of spirits, better health and with an

> unending string of opportunities to bring joy to one

> anothers lives.

>

> WISHING YA'LL HAVE A PAINFREE AND JOYFULL MERRY CHRISTMASS

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Rose:

As I have posted before, antidepressants have long been used in pain

management, often in combination with pain meds.

When first offered to me, I balked at the idea of taking Prozac.

But it has helped the Ultram greatly.

And it certainly hasn't hurt my mood.

-E

[Guest guest]

Hi all:

Once again, I extend an invitation to everyone to a giant pity party! We

really need it!!

So...come on over to my house.

Hope you like pets!!!

-E

[Guest guest]

Dealing with family... it's often not very fun.

I have a good friend, named Cheryl. We have been friends for over 25

years now. She is an only child, her mother was an only child, and

she never knew her father. her grandmother died a long time ago, so

for a very long time it was just her and her mother and grandfather,

and her grandfather died about 10 years ago. So it was just her and

her mother. They were very close, spending a lot of time together,

went on all their vacations together, etc. That was fine while Cheryl

was younger, in her young to mid-twenties, but by the time Cheryl was

about 30 she didn't want her mother so involved in her life. I think

Cheryl was really her mother's best friend, but her mother used to

drive Cheryl nuts by calling all the time, always wanting to do

things, get together, etc. I can remember so clearly Cheryl rolling

her eyes and complaining about her mother - feeling like her mother

was cramping her life, her mother was driving her nuts, etc.

Cheryl's mother died two years ago, on Christmas night, a few minutes

before midnight, after a long battle with cancer. The last few months

of her life were horrible.. Cheryl took a leave of absence and stayed

with her mother around the clock, feeding her, cleaning her, changing

her diaper, giving her meds. I was there for a little while on

Christmas night, a few hours before her mother passed on. Her mother

was obviously struggling.. not wanting to go, resisting the urge to

just give in and float away.. Cheryl was sobbing as she told her

mother over and over again that it was OK, that she could let go now.

My heart was breaking as I sat on the other side of the bed, holding

her mother's other hand.. it was a scene I will never forget. And as

I sat there, I thought about all the times that Cheryl and her mother

had fought, or Cheryl had complained about her or avoided her, and I

knew she would give anything in the world just to have her mother

back, no matter how frustrated or angry she used to get with her

mother.

I think about that a lot.. because it taught me a huge lesson. Your

parents are not going to be here forever, your siblings aren't going

to be here forever, your friends are not going to be here forever.

And on the day that they lay dying, what kind of thoughts do you want

in your head? Do you want to be grateful and happy with whatever time

you had been able to spend with them? Or do you want to be sitting

there thinking about all the wasted time due to arguments, annoyances,

avoidance, etc?

It's amazing to me the huge change that made on my life. I see people

differently now, I have a lot more patience with all of the people

that drive me nuts, whether they be family, friends or co-workers.

It's just not worth it to get upset.. there isn't enough time to

waste on that kind of stuff. I see my family in a completely

different light now. My mother could VERY easily drive me completely

nuts, but for the past two years I have been able to look right past

all the things that annoy or bug me, and I am able to see just the

goodness of the person that she is, and just accept her

and love her unconditionally, because she is the only mother I will

ever have. And I'm grateful that I STILL have her, because I know she

could be taken from me at any minute.

hmm.. this went a lot longer than I intended - and I didn't mean it

to sound like a lecture - sorry! Christmas is a rough time for me...

I was very close to her mother, so it's a tough anniversary. And

it's hard dealing with Cheryl too, who gets so depressed at this time

of year, and who doesn't have any family to celebrate Christmas with

now.. it's just tough.

My suggestion for dealing with the tough family members is try to look

beyond the behaviour and love them anyway. Yeah, I know, a lot easier

said than done. But here is my other suggestion: write them a

letter. Pour your heart out.. tell them exactly how you feel. Don't

tell them that " they do this " and " they do that " , just express how YOU

feel, tell them how it hurts when you feel like they don't listen to

you, or care about what you are going through. Letters are a great

tool I think... if you are talking to someone face to face,

especially someone who is very self-centered, it's very easy for them

to tune you out or turn the conversation into something else. But

with a letter - they can't do that. And even if the letter upsets

them, they won't stop reading it.. you will get your chance to say

what you want.

Anyway, that's it for my kleenex moment Hope you all had a

wonderful hol9iday....

[Guest guest]

i do love them and understand most of it...its just me

with this desiese and my diabeties going up and down

with it...my emotions are just atacking me left and

right...just gotta stop letting all the stress of

everything get to me...one word, one look, can set me

off in a crying frenzy LOL

--- maryg7878 wrote:

> Dealing with family... it's often not very fun.

>

> I have a good friend, named Cheryl. We have been

> friends for over 25

> years now. She is an only child, her mother was an

> only child, and

> she never knew her father. her grandmother died a

> long time ago, so

> for a very long time it was just her and her mother

> and grandfather,

> and her grandfather died about 10 years ago. So it

> was just her and

> her mother. They were very close, spending a lot of

> time together,

> went on all their vacations together, etc. That was

> fine while Cheryl

> was younger, in her young to mid-twenties, but by

> the time Cheryl was

> about 30 she didn't want her mother so involved in

> her life. I think

> Cheryl was really her mother's best friend, but her

> mother used to

> drive Cheryl nuts by calling all the time, always

> wanting to do

> things, get together, etc. I can remember so

> clearly Cheryl rolling

> her eyes and complaining about her mother - feeling

> like her mother

> was cramping her life, her mother was driving her

> nuts, etc.

>

> Cheryl's mother died two years ago, on Christmas

> night, a few minutes

> before midnight, after a long battle with cancer.

> The last few months

> of her life were horrible.. Cheryl took a leave of

> absence and stayed

> with her mother around the clock, feeding her,

> cleaning her, changing

> her diaper, giving her meds. I was there for a

> little while on

> Christmas night, a few hours before her mother

> passed on. Her mother

> was obviously struggling.. not wanting to go,

> resisting the urge to

> just give in and float away.. Cheryl was sobbing as

> she told her

> mother over and over again that it was OK, that she

> could let go now.

> My heart was breaking as I sat on the other side of

> the bed, holding

> her mother's other hand.. it was a scene I will

> never forget. And as

> I sat there, I thought about all the times that

> Cheryl and her mother

> had fought, or Cheryl had complained about her or

> avoided her, and I

> knew she would give anything in the world just to

> have her mother

> back, no matter how frustrated or angry she used to

> get with her

> mother.

>

> I think about that a lot.. because it taught me a

> huge lesson. Your

> parents are not going to be here forever, your

> siblings aren't going

> to be here forever, your friends are not going to be

> here forever.

> And on the day that they lay dying, what kind of

> thoughts do you want

> in your head? Do you want to be grateful and happy

> with whatever time

> you had been able to spend with them? Or do you

> want to be sitting

> there thinking about all the wasted time due to

> arguments, annoyances,

> avoidance, etc?

>

> It's amazing to me the huge change that made on my

> life. I see people

> differently now, I have a lot more patience with all

> of the people

> that drive me nuts, whether they be family, friends

> or co-workers.

> It's just not worth it to get upset.. there isn't

> enough time to

> waste on that kind of stuff. I see my family in a

> completely

> different light now. My mother could VERY easily

> drive me completely

> nuts, but for the past two years I have been able to

> look right past

> all the things that annoy or bug me, and I am able

> to see just the

> goodness of the person that she is, and just accept

> her

> and love her unconditionally, because she is the

> only mother I will

> ever have. And I'm grateful that I STILL have her,

> because I know she

> could be taken from me at any minute.

>

> hmm.. this went a lot longer than I intended - and

> I didn't mean it

> to sound like a lecture - sorry! Christmas is a

> rough time for me...

> I was very close to her mother, so it's a tough

> anniversary. And

> it's hard dealing with Cheryl too, who gets so

> depressed at this time

> of year, and who doesn't have any family to

> celebrate Christmas with

> now.. it's just tough.

>

> My suggestion for dealing with the tough family

> members is try to look

> beyond the behaviour and love them anyway. Yeah, I

> know, a lot easier

> said than done. But here is my other suggestion:

> write them a

> letter. Pour your heart out.. tell them exactly

> how you feel. Don't

> tell them that " they do this " and " they do that " ,

> just express how YOU

> feel, tell them how it hurts when you feel like they

> don't listen to

> you, or care about what you are going through.

> Letters are a great

> tool I think... if you are talking to someone face

> to face,

> especially someone who is very self-centered, it's

> very easy for them

> to tune you out or turn the conversation into

> something else. But

> with a letter - they can't do that. And even if the

> letter upsets

> them, they won't stop reading it.. you will get

> your chance to say

> what you want.

>

> Anyway, that's it for my kleenex moment Hope you

> all had a

> wonderful hol9iday....

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose -

I hear ya. I know what it's like to cry at the drop of a hat Have

you talked to your doctor about maybe getting an anti-depressant pill?

It might help you out.. help you to balance out your emotions. I

found that anti-depressants helped me immensely. I didn't even think

that I was very depressed, I wasn't hiding out in bed all day thinking

dark thoughts.. but things would get to me very easily. I've been

taking them for about a year and a half now, and now I feel very

level. That's not to say I don't still have bad days, or get upset

about things, but I no longer get upset over the little things, or get

upset for really no reason at all. Yeah, I know more meds are

probably the last thing you want But if they can help you deal

emotionally, that's a big plus, in my book anyway. This disease is

bad enough to handle on it's own - anything you can do to stay in a

positive frame of mind is a good thing.

> > Dealing with family... it's often not very fun.

> >

> > I have a good friend, named Cheryl. We have been

> > friends for over 25

> > years now. She is an only child, her mother was an

> > only child, and

> > she never knew her father. her grandmother died a

> > long time ago, so

> > for a very long time it was just her and her mother

> > and grandfather,

> > and her grandfather died about 10 years ago. So it

> > was just her and

> > her mother. They were very close, spending a lot of

> > time together,

> > went on all their vacations together, etc. That was

> > fine while Cheryl

> > was younger, in her young to mid-twenties, but by

> > the time Cheryl was

> > about 30 she didn't want her mother so involved in

> > her life. I think

> > Cheryl was really her mother's best friend, but her

> > mother used to

> > drive Cheryl nuts by calling all the time, always

> > wanting to do

> > things, get together, etc. I can remember so

> > clearly Cheryl rolling

> > her eyes and complaining about her mother - feeling

> > like her mother

> > was cramping her life, her mother was driving her

> > nuts, etc.

> >

> > Cheryl's mother died two years ago, on Christmas

> > night, a few minutes

> > before midnight, after a long battle with cancer.

> > The last few months

> > of her life were horrible.. Cheryl took a leave of

> > absence and stayed

> > with her mother around the clock, feeding her,

> > cleaning her, changing

> > her diaper, giving her meds. I was there for a

> > little while on

> > Christmas night, a few hours before her mother

> > passed on. Her mother

> > was obviously struggling.. not wanting to go,

> > resisting the urge to

> > just give in and float away.. Cheryl was sobbing as

> > she told her

> > mother over and over again that it was OK, that she

> > could let go now.

> > My heart was breaking as I sat on the other side of

> > the bed, holding

> > her mother's other hand.. it was a scene I will

> > never forget. And as

> > I sat there, I thought about all the times that

> > Cheryl and her mother

> > had fought, or Cheryl had complained about her or

> > avoided her, and I

> > knew she would give anything in the world just to

> > have her mother

> > back, no matter how frustrated or angry she used to

> > get with her

> > mother.

> >

> > I think about that a lot.. because it taught me a

> > huge lesson. Your

> > parents are not going to be here forever, your

> > siblings aren't going

> > to be here forever, your friends are not going to be

> > here forever.

> > And on the day that they lay dying, what kind of

> > thoughts do you want

> > in your head? Do you want to be grateful and happy

> > with whatever time

> > you had been able to spend with them? Or do you

> > want to be sitting

> > there thinking about all the wasted time due to

> > arguments, annoyances,

> > avoidance, etc?

> >

> > It's amazing to me the huge change that made on my

> > life. I see people

> > differently now, I have a lot more patience with all

> > of the people

> > that drive me nuts, whether they be family, friends

> > or co-workers.

> > It's just not worth it to get upset.. there isn't

> > enough time to

> > waste on that kind of stuff. I see my family in a

> > completely

> > different light now. My mother could VERY easily

> > drive me completely

> > nuts, but for the past two years I have been able to

> > look right past

> > all the things that annoy or bug me, and I am able

> > to see just the

> > goodness of the person that she is, and just accept

> > her

> > and love her unconditionally, because she is the

> > only mother I will

> > ever have. And I'm grateful that I STILL have her,

> > because I know she

> > could be taken from me at any minute.

> >

> > hmm.. this went a lot longer than I intended - and

> > I didn't mean it

> > to sound like a lecture - sorry! Christmas is a

> > rough time for me...

> > I was very close to her mother, so it's a tough

> > anniversary. And

> > it's hard dealing with Cheryl too, who gets so

> > depressed at this time

> > of year, and who doesn't have any family to

> > celebrate Christmas with

> > now.. it's just tough.

> >

> > My suggestion for dealing with the tough family

> > members is try to look

> > beyond the behaviour and love them anyway. Yeah, I

> > know, a lot easier

> > said than done. But here is my other suggestion:

> > write them a

> > letter. Pour your heart out.. tell them exactly

> > how you feel. Don't

> > tell them that " they do this " and " they do that " ,

> > just express how YOU

> > feel, tell them how it hurts when you feel like they

> > don't listen to

> > you, or care about what you are going through.

> > Letters are a great

> > tool I think... if you are talking to someone face

> > to face,

> > especially someone who is very self-centered, it's

> > very easy for them

> > to tune you out or turn the conversation into

> > something else. But

> > with a letter - they can't do that. And even if the

> > letter upsets

> > them, they won't stop reading it.. you will get

> > your chance to say

> > what you want.

> >

> > Anyway, that's it for my kleenex moment Hope you

> > all had a

> > wonderful hol9iday....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Works for me. I need pity and I have 12 dogs.... S.

<<Once again, I extend an invitation to everyone to a giant pity party! We

really need it!!

So...come on over to my house.

Hope you like pets!!!>>

[Guest guest]

Rose:

Of course, you can come.

Sorry about the cat. You're welcome to snuggle with one of ours.

-E

[Guest guest]

The party will be here at my house which is on Long Island, a suburb of New

York.

Boy, would our cats have fun with the rat!

And I simply love horses!!

-E

[Guest guest]

Louis:

I had a rat terrier when I was in college.

She was the smartest dog!

-E

[Guest guest]

hehehehe, i'm already on effexor, oxazepam, and

lorazepam, ya think i need more LOL

--- maryg7878 wrote:

> Hi Rose -

>

> I hear ya. I know what it's like to cry at the drop

> of a hat Have

> you talked to your doctor about maybe getting an

> anti-depressant pill?

> It might help you out.. help you to balance out

> your emotions. I

> found that anti-depressants helped me immensely. I

> didn't even think

> that I was very depressed, I wasn't hiding out in

> bed all day thinking

> dark thoughts.. but things would get to me very

> easily. I've been

> taking them for about a year and a half now, and now

> I feel very

> level. That's not to say I don't still have bad

> days, or get upset

> about things, but I no longer get upset over the

> little things, or get

> upset for really no reason at all. Yeah, I know

> more meds are

> probably the last thing you want But if they can

> help you deal

> emotionally, that's a big plus, in my book anyway.

> This disease is

> bad enough to handle on it's own - anything you can

> do to stay in a

> positive frame of mind is a good thing.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Dealing with family... it's often not very fun.

> > >

> > > I have a good friend, named Cheryl. We have

> been

> > > friends for over 25

> > > years now. She is an only child, her mother was

> an

> > > only child, and

> > > she never knew her father. her grandmother died

> a

> > > long time ago, so

> > > for a very long time it was just her and her

> mother

> > > and grandfather,

> > > and her grandfather died about 10 years ago. So

> it

> > > was just her and

> > > her mother. They were very close, spending a

> lot of

> > > time together,

> > > went on all their vacations together, etc. That

> was

> > > fine while Cheryl

> > > was younger, in her young to mid-twenties, but

> by

> > > the time Cheryl was

> > > about 30 she didn't want her mother so involved

> in

> > > her life. I think

> > > Cheryl was really her mother's best friend, but

> her

> > > mother used to

> > > drive Cheryl nuts by calling all the time,

> always

> > > wanting to do

> > > things, get together, etc. I can remember so

> > > clearly Cheryl rolling

> > > her eyes and complaining about her mother -

> feeling

> > > like her mother

> > > was cramping her life, her mother was driving

> her

> > > nuts, etc.

> > >

> > > Cheryl's mother died two years ago, on Christmas

> > > night, a few minutes

> > > before midnight, after a long battle with

> cancer.

> > > The last few months

> > > of her life were horrible.. Cheryl took a leave

> of

> > > absence and stayed

> > > with her mother around the clock, feeding her,

> > > cleaning her, changing

> > > her diaper, giving her meds. I was there for a

> > > little while on

> > > Christmas night, a few hours before her mother

> > > passed on. Her mother

> > > was obviously struggling.. not wanting to go,

> > > resisting the urge to

> > > just give in and float away.. Cheryl was

> sobbing as

> > > she told her

> > > mother over and over again that it was OK, that

> she

> > > could let go now.

> > > My heart was breaking as I sat on the other

> side of

> > > the bed, holding

> > > her mother's other hand.. it was a scene I will

> > > never forget. And as

> > > I sat there, I thought about all the times that

> > > Cheryl and her mother

> > > had fought, or Cheryl had complained about her

> or

> > > avoided her, and I

> > > knew she would give anything in the world just

> to

> > > have her mother

> > > back, no matter how frustrated or angry she used

> to

> > > get with her

> > > mother.

> > >

> > > I think about that a lot.. because it taught me

> a

> > > huge lesson. Your

> > > parents are not going to be here forever, your

> > > siblings aren't going

> > > to be here forever, your friends are not going

> to be

> > > here forever.

> > > And on the day that they lay dying, what kind of

> > > thoughts do you want

> > > in your head? Do you want to be grateful and

> happy

> > > with whatever time

> > > you had been able to spend with them? Or do you

> > > want to be sitting

> > > there thinking about all the wasted time due to

> > > arguments, annoyances,

> > > avoidance, etc?

> > >

> > > It's amazing to me the huge change that made on

> my

> > > life. I see people

> > > differently now, I have a lot more patience with

> all

> > > of the people

> > > that drive me nuts, whether they be family,

> friends

> > > or co-workers.

> > > It's just not worth it to get upset.. there

> isn't

> > > enough time to

> > > waste on that kind of stuff. I see my family in

> a

> > > completely

> > > different light now. My mother could VERY

> easily

> > > drive me completely

> > > nuts, but for the past two years I have been

> able to

> > > look right past

> > > all the things that annoy or bug me, and I am

> able

> > > to see just the

> > > goodness of the person that she is, and just

> accept

> > > her

> > > and love her unconditionally, because she is the

> > > only mother I will

> > > ever have. And I'm grateful that I STILL have

> her,

> > > because I know she

> > > could be taken from me at any minute.

> > >

> > > hmm.. this went a lot longer than I intended -

> and

> > > I didn't mean it

> > > to sound like a lecture - sorry! Christmas is a

> > > rough time for me...

> > > I was very close to her mother, so it's a tough

> > > anniversary. And

> > > it's hard dealing with Cheryl too, who gets so

> > > depressed at this time

> > > of year, and who doesn't have any family to

> > > celebrate Christmas with

> > > now.. it's just tough.

> > >

> > > My suggestion for dealing with the tough family

> > > members is try to look

> > > beyond the behaviour and love them anyway.

> Yeah, I

> > > know, a lot easier

>

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[Guest guest]

can i come...but i only have one dog, oh and a lizard,

the cat passed away recently

--- liebran wrote:

> Works for me. I need pity and I have 12

> dogs.... S.

>

>

> <<Once again, I extend an invitation to everyone

> to a giant pity party! We

> really need it!!

>

> So...come on over to my house.

>

> Hope you like pets!!!>>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

--Give me the day and time and I will be there. With my three dogs

(horses),and son's pet rat.

Cheryl

- In pancreatitis@y..., " liebran " <liebran@f...> wrote:

> Works for me. I need pity and I have 12 dogs.... S.

>

>

> <<Once again, I extend an invitation to everyone to a giant pity

party! We

> really need it!!

>

> So...come on over to my house.

>

> Hope you like pets!!!>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

so where is the party going to be at..... ??? tired of doing it at my

house...

mmorga3us wrote: --Give me the day and time and I will

be there. With my three dogs

(horses),and son's pet rat.

Cheryl

- In pancreatitis@y..., " liebran " <liebran@f...> wrote:

> Works for me. I need pity and I have 12 dogs.... S.

>

>

> <<Once again, I extend an invitation to everyone to a giant pity

party! We

> really need it!!

>

> So...come on over to my house.

>

> Hope you like pets!!!>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm in Panama City Beach Florida....long way to go for a party...but sounds

like fun... have a rat terrier (supermax) that would love the cat.... :-)

Louis

esquare726@... wrote: The party will be here at my house which is on Long

Island, a suburb of New

York.

Boy, would our cats have fun with the rat!

And I simply love horses!!

-E

[Guest guest]

mines a terrypoo...she love's all animals, besides

most dogs LOL

--- esquare726@... wrote:

> Louis:

>

> I had a rat terrier when I was in college.

> She was the smartest dog!

>

> -E

>

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[Guest guest]

We've been lucky so far as far as weather is concerned.

We had unusually warm and balmy days until recently.

We're now very cold, but very dry except for one day.

They've already declared drought warnings all around us.

Snow has been mentioned as a possibility for next week.

I now know that I'm definitely middle-aged because I'm hoping that it will

turn out to be rain!

-E

[Guest guest]

Oh, dear. Don't know if I can make Long Island with all the snow mess going on

:-( S and the dirty dozen

The party will be here at my house which is on Long Island, a suburb of New

York.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/24/01 6:53:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

toosweettocare@... writes:

>>> i know you guys understand, being sick so long and so much, nothing gets

> done and no one else is gonna do it, but i'm gonna take some me time and

> have a nice long hot bath and make a nice meal for myself...for now i need

> to go cry a little<<

Thanks for this post. It helps remind me why the PAI works. Based on the 12

step fellowship, there is never a doubt that you know we do understand. It is

about one Pancreatic patient sharing with another Pancreatic patient.

You are not alone in your description of Christmas dinner, the family

dynamics, and the loneliness and sadness left with you. I don't know why, for

just one day, people can just let it go, give it up, and quit fighting. It is

just not that important. I commend the supportive family members in this

group who do show up to be part of. I know that is hard, as this disease

affects, not only us, but those we love as well.

You chose such good self care. Way to go. I hope others can hear how

important that is, the me time. Not only did you have the bath and meal, but

you gave yourself permission to cry, a little. It's about balance. It is so

important to allow yourself to do what you need to do, but understand

moderation.

It is nice to see a healthy attitude. I am sorry that it was hard for you,

though.

God bless,

Karyn E.

<A HREF= " KarynWms@... " >Karyn , RN/Founder/President</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.pancassociation.org " >Pancreatitis Association, International

</A>

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[Guest guest]

Karyn:

I have often spoken to those who will listen about the loneliness of chronic

illness. Unfortunately, it's difficult, if not impossible, for many to

comprehend.

I'm a very fortunate woman in that I have a very strong, loving marriage. But

the stress and strain of my years of illness has taken heavy tolls. Not in

the relationship, but in the way we

" live " each day.

For too many years, I've had to say:

I don't have a life. I have a condition.

-E

[Guest guest]

Yea it really sucks when you dont have a life anymore.... just one pain pill to

another..

esquare726@... wrote: Karyn:

I have often spoken to those who will listen about the loneliness of chronic

illness. Unfortunately, it's difficult, if not impossible, for many to

comprehend.

I'm a very fortunate woman in that I have a very strong, loving marriage. But

the stress and strain of my years of illness has taken heavy tolls. Not in

the relationship, but in the way we

" live " each day.

For too many years, I've had to say:

I don't have a life. I have a condition.

-E