Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 > Hi, Again > > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So start slowly and work up, if you want. I also don't see > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > other supplements (I assume so)? I spread it out, otherwise the skin problems appear sooner, and the stims remain. > > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? My son does not tolerate it. I use TwinLabs Allergy A. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Thanks, Dana, for your response. I went on Google and found out that RDA for Vitamin A is 700 " mcg " daily for women. That completely confuses me, as I thought the unit of measurement was 'IU, " as you have said. Wow, 1000 IU PER POUND! That's a lot of Vitamin A. I don't know how much your son weighs, but even if he's a newborn, that's still a lot of Vitamin A, no? I'm new to all this, so forgive my ignorance. Is there information that I could read of on-line (other than Andy's protocol) that talks about the safety of taking Vitamin A at this dosage? I am beginning to sense that one takes the max before symptoms start appearing with some of this stuff. Andy definitely says that you should take Magnesium to right below the point where diarrhea occurs. Thanks for the tip on Allergy A by Twinlab. I don't know if I will tolerate the Kirkman's either, as I'm usually pretty sensitive to things. Would you mind telling me what symptoms your son had that gave you the indication that he was not tolerating the Kirkman CLO? [ ] Re: Vit A supplementation > Hi, Again > > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So start slowly and work up, if you want. I also don't see > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > other supplements (I assume so)? I spread it out, otherwise the skin problems appear sooner, and the stims remain. > > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? My son does not tolerate it. I use TwinLabs Allergy A. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 --- In , " danaatty " <danaatty@y...> wrote: > I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of > child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin > abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. > For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, > for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go > slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So > start slowly and work up, if you want. Dana, what are those skin problems? I just want to know what I should watch for. Thank you, Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Dana, Does the TwinLabs Allergy A have the same Natural Vitamin A referenced in Dr. Megson's studies as the CLO? Thanks, KIM [ ] Re: Vit A supplementation > Hi, Again > > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So start slowly and work up, if you want. I also don't see > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > other supplements (I assume so)? I spread it out, otherwise the skin problems appear sooner, and the stims remain. > > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? My son does not tolerate it. I use TwinLabs Allergy A. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Dana, What type of skin problems do you see? I give the allergy A & D - A is 10,000iu and D is 400iu. I give 2 caps a day, once in AM and once in PM. His skin is pretty dark - like a hispanic person, and I have noticed he gets exzema type patches where the skin is dry (but not flaky). He also gets a patch where it looks like he is loosing pigmantation. And now, he has pimple like dots on his cheeks. Are these possibly A or just mabye foods? I am also wondering if that much D is ok. [ ] Re: Vit A supplementation > Hi, Again > > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So start slowly and work up, if you want. I also don't see > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > other supplements (I assume so)? I spread it out, otherwise the skin problems appear sooner, and the stims remain. > > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? My son does not tolerate it. I use TwinLabs Allergy A. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 > Thanks, Dana, for your response. I went on Google and found out that RDA for Vitamin A is 700 " mcg " daily for women. That completely confuses me, as I thought the unit of measurement was 'IU, " as you have said. I only know of IU, what site tells you to look for mcg? >> Wow, 1000 IU PER POUND! That's a lot of Vitamin A. Yes, it is scary to me, because I can't test him to learn if it is creating problems. But so far so good. Every few weeks I test him by reducing it, to see if he can do well with a lower dose, and each time I lower the dose, he starts waving things in front of his eyes again. My current philosophy, always subject to change with experience LOL, is that his eyes have been so depleted for 7+ years, that they are absorbing all that vitamin A, leaving nothing to be stored in the liver. >> I don't know how much your son weighs, but even if he's a newborn, that's still a lot of Vitamin A, no? Yep, it sure is. My son weighs about 60 pounds. > > Is there information that I could read of on-line (other than Andy's protocol) that talks about the safety of taking Vitamin A at this dosage? I don't know of any. I just know that this dose, plus a few B vitamins and amino acids, plus 70+ rounds of ALA chelation, has been the ONLY thing which has removed my son's visual stims. The increased vitamin A also helps with behaviors and language. > Thanks for the tip on Allergy A by Twinlab. I don't know if I will tolerate the Kirkman's either, as I'm usually pretty sensitive to things. Would you mind telling me what symptoms your son had that gave you the indication that he was not tolerating the Kirkman CLO? I never gave Kirkman CLO. I buy most of my supplements locally. But when I give my son CLO, or any fish product, he gets major burning diarrhea and his stims increase. Good luck. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 > Dana, what are those skin problems? I just want to know what I > should watch for. > Thank you, > Margaret This reply is for all of you who have asked about the skin problems [so I don't say the same thing numerous times and clog up the list]. Andy only said " skin problems " . But my #3 reacts to EVERYTHING first thru his skin. He developed large whiteheads on two areas of his body when I increased beyond 5000 IU per day. For #3, he started getting " flat red little spots " which appeared to be precursers to a whitehead, at about 75,000 IU. However, I have recently experimented with more frequent lower doses, and he can go up to about 90,000 per day this way, and the visuals are now entirely gone. I definitely don't *recommend* going this high, especially if you can't do medical testing, but it has been the only thing that has helped my son. See a previous message for my theory on this. Always start at low dose and work up! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 --- In , " frank sabel " <sawyera@a...> wrote: > Dana, > > Does the TwinLabs Allergy A have the same Natural Vitamin A referenced in Dr. Megson's studies as the CLO? It is retinyl acetate. I don't know what was in Megson's study, because my son has never tolerated CLO. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 --- In , " Asmus " <asmusnm@s...> wrote: >>has pimple > like dots on his cheeks. This is what would make me suspicious if it was my son. >> Are these possibly A or just mabye foods? For my son, would be either and/or both. >> I am also > wondering if that much D is ok. I don't give D so I don't know. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 The maximum recommended amount for women who have even a theoretical chance of becoming pregnant is 10,000 IU total dose per day. Realistically 25,000 is most likely safe, but since the danger is teratogenicity (that is, deformed babies) very early in pregnancy before most women would realize they are pregnant it is best to be cautious. The synthetic analogues such as accutane are actually much more dangerous, but since there is a lot of " screaming " in an intellectual sense and little real information I think caution is appropriate. Thus the recommended dose for autistic children, men, and women who have utter certainty they cannot conceive is 500 to 1,000 IU per pound, but fertile women would be wise to explore all other approaches first. Andy . . . .. > Thanks, Dana, for your response. I went on Google and found out that RDA for Vitamin A is 700 " mcg " daily for women. That completely confuses me, as I thought the unit of measurement was 'IU, " as you have said. Wow, 1000 IU PER POUND! That's a lot of Vitamin A. I don't know how much your son weighs, but even if he's a newborn, that's still a lot of Vitamin A, no? I'm new to all this, so forgive my ignorance. > > Is there information that I could read of on-line (other than Andy's protocol) that talks about the safety of taking Vitamin A at this dosage? I am beginning to sense that one takes the max before symptoms start appearing with some of this stuff. Andy definitely says that you should take Magnesium to right below the point where diarrhea occurs. > > Thanks for the tip on Allergy A by Twinlab. I don't know if I will tolerate the Kirkman's either, as I'm usually pretty sensitive to things. Would you mind telling me what symptoms your son had that gave you the indication that he was not tolerating the Kirkman CLO? > > > [ ] Re: Vit A supplementation > > > > > Hi, Again > > > > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? > > > I use Andy's recommended maintenance dose of 1000 IU per pound of > child, for one of my kids. He told me to watch for signs of skin > abnormalities, which would be a first indicator of toxicity problems. > For one of my kids, he gets the skin problems with 2500 IU per day, > for the other kid [the one with the visual stim issues], I can go > slightly over 1000 IU per pound before he gets skin problems. So > start slowly and work up, if you want. > > > I also don't see > > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > > other supplements (I assume so)? > > > I spread it out, otherwise the skin problems appear sooner, and the > stims remain. > > > > > > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? > > > My son does not tolerate it. I use TwinLabs Allergy A. > > Dana > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Sorry I didn't respond to your question about the site where I saw Vit A listed as " mcg. " It was obviously a misprint there, but I just looked up on Google " RDA vitamins, " and came upon a site www.drlam.com Thanks again for your input. I see Andy has weighed in on this, too. Lati [ ] Re: Vit A supplementation > Thanks, Dana, for your response. I went on Google and found out that RDA for Vitamin A is 700 " mcg " daily for women. That completely confuses me, as I thought the unit of measurement was 'IU, " as you have said. I only know of IU, what site tells you to look for mcg? >> Wow, 1000 IU PER POUND! That's a lot of Vitamin A. Yes, it is scary to me, because I can't test him to learn if it is creating problems. But so far so good. Every few weeks I test him by reducing it, to see if he can do well with a lower dose, and each time I lower the dose, he starts waving things in front of his eyes again. My current philosophy, always subject to change with experience LOL, is that his eyes have been so depleted for 7+ years, that they are absorbing all that vitamin A, leaving nothing to be stored in the liver. >> I don't know how much your son weighs, but even if he's a newborn, that's still a lot of Vitamin A, no? Yep, it sure is. My son weighs about 60 pounds. > > Is there information that I could read of on-line (other than Andy's protocol) that talks about the safety of taking Vitamin A at this dosage? I don't know of any. I just know that this dose, plus a few B vitamins and amino acids, plus 70+ rounds of ALA chelation, has been the ONLY thing which has removed my son's visual stims. The increased vitamin A also helps with behaviors and language. > Thanks for the tip on Allergy A by Twinlab. I don't know if I will tolerate the Kirkman's either, as I'm usually pretty sensitive to things. Would you mind telling me what symptoms your son had that gave you the indication that he was not tolerating the Kirkman CLO? I never gave Kirkman CLO. I buy most of my supplements locally. But when I give my son CLO, or any fish product, he gets major burning diarrhea and his stims increase. Good luck. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 > 1) Reading the Andy posts regarding supplementation, I see he calls > for 5 RDA's of Vitamin A. I assume that " RDA " means " required daily > allotment, " but I have no idea what that means in terms of mg. > Can someone advise me how many mg/day of Vit A? I also don't see > any " schedule. " Is this amount spread out over the day like the > other supplements (I assume so)? I actually suggest quite a bit more than this, and it can be given once a day, or even every few days. 500-1,000 IU per pound per day. > 2) Also, can anyone share their experience regarding CLO? I have > ordered a sample from Kirkman, but would like to keep things as > simple as possible. Andy says he has no preference re type of > vitamin A, As long as it isn't " as carotenes " or " beta carotene, " which aren't really vitamin A. >but I was wondering if anyone else would like to share > their experience regarding Kirkman's CLO -vs- other vitamin A. > > 3) I think I remember reading somewhere that certain vitamins and > minerals are best taken at different times from each other. Can > anyone refresh my addled memory in this regard? > > Thanks again! > > L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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