Re: about to start chelation

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I would focus on th mercury. You can address this either with DMSA or ALA or

both. Eventually you will need ALA to get the mercury out of the brain. I would

start with one of them probably ALA do a few rounds and later try the other one

(some children seem to cope better with one, other with the other). If your

child does well on ALA you might want to use DMSA later for the lead, but it is

only yellow and the lead in my daughter's hair went down with only using ALA

(which is not supposed to chelate lead). It might be that getting rid of mercury

stops the body hanging on to more lead than it would otherwise do.

I would chelate using Andy's protocol and starting with the lowest recommended

amount of chelator and going up only very slowly.

At the same time I would look into where the metals come from (e.g. test your

house for lead http://www.leadcheck.com/ ).

I hope this helps,

Dagmar.

[Guest guest]

>>Well his mercury levels

> are off the scale. His aluminium is in the red and his lead, antimony

> and arsenic are all high. So which chelator to use in this case? Do I

> go straight in with ALA (as a general catch-all) or address the Lead

> with DMSA followed by ALA? Or tackle the arsenic with DMPS, followed

> by ALA. And what of the antimony? Should I use SAMe? Basically I want

> the best approach for my boy in terms of efficacy and keeping

> discomfort (side-effects) to a minimum. I appreciate there's no single

> approach everyone has their favourites. Can I hear them please.

I use only ALA. Because of your lead issues, you might want to start at least a

few rounds with DMSA only.

Remove sources of the high metals

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> aluminum 28 <8.0 red

> antimony 0.17 <0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.15 <0.08 yellow

> lead 4.0 <1.0 yellow

> mercury 5.4 <0.4 red (off the scale)

> silver 0.21 <0.20 yellow

> tin 0.52 <0.3 yellow

> Copper 17 8-16 yellow over

> Zinc 130 100-190 white ---

Add zinc.

> Manganese 0.17 0.2-0.55 yellow under

> Selenium 1.1 0.95-1.7 green under

Add these.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

If the hair shows high in an element doesn't that mean that the body is removing

that element. Therefore, should you concentrate on elements that are low or

high?

Also, is the hair the best way to test?

Thanks,

[ ] Re: about to start chelation

>>Well his mercury levels

> are off the scale. His aluminium is in the red and his lead, antimony

> and arsenic are all high. So which chelator to use in this case? Do I

> go straight in with ALA (as a general catch-all) or address the Lead

> with DMSA followed by ALA? Or tackle the arsenic with DMPS, followed

> by ALA. And what of the antimony? Should I use SAMe? Basically I want

> the best approach for my boy in terms of efficacy and keeping

> discomfort (side-effects) to a minimum. I appreciate there's no single

> approach everyone has their favourites. Can I hear them please.

I use only ALA. Because of your lead issues, you might want to start at least

a few rounds with DMSA only.

Remove sources of the high metals

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> aluminum 28 <8.0 red

> antimony 0.17 <0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.15 <0.08 yellow

> lead 4.0 <1.0 yellow

> mercury 5.4 <0.4 red (off the scale)

> silver 0.21 <0.20 yellow

> tin 0.52 <0.3 yellow

> Copper 17 8-16 yellow over

> Zinc 130 100-190 white ---

Add zinc.

> Manganese 0.17 0.2-0.55 yellow under

> Selenium 1.1 0.95-1.7 green under

Add these.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

>

> If the hair shows high in an element doesn't that mean that the body is

removing that element. Therefore, should you concentrate

on elements that are low or high?

If the body is removing it, but it shows high, that means there is a LOT to

remove. What if there is MORE going in than coming out? I

would definitely start with removing the items which are high.

Andy posted a message a few months ago indicating which things can test as low

when they are actually high.

> Also, is the hair the best way to test?

Depends on what you want to learn, and whether or not you need your insurance to

pay, or your doctor to believe the results.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Kay,

ALA works to chelate the arsenic, no need for the DMPS. I use SAMe for

antimony. Have just ordered a new DDI hair analysis. Did the last one 2 yrs

ago. Will be interested to see results.

S

>

Or tackle the arsenic with DMPS, followed<BR>

by ALA. And what of the antimony? Should I use SAMe?

>

Kay<BR>

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[Guest guest]

--- In , " kay_chris2000 " <kay@w...>

wrote:

> Hi Andy, Moira, Dana and everyone

>

> This is my first post to the group. I've spent the last 6 weeks

> reading the archives and acting on the advice given. What a wonderful

> group. I've just got my hair test back from DDI. My son is 3.11 mnths

> and 36 lbs. He's currently on Houston enyzmes, BrainChild Nutritional

> products (Spectrum II,

Make SURE SURE SURE SURE this is the one with no lipoic acid (ALA) in

it.

>Nightcal and zinc) and culturelle (3x/day).

> The results are posted below. What I really need is guidance as to how

> to begin. Using the counting rules he comes out as having normal

> mineral transport. As I understand it, that means the toxic elements

> results are a true reflexion of the situation. Well his mercury levels

> are off the scale. His aluminium is in the red and his lead, antimony

> and arsenic are all high. So which chelator to use in this case? Do I

> go straight in with ALA (as a general catch-all) or address the Lead

> with DMSA followed by ALA?

Either one of these is fine. ALA also does arsenic quite well. DMSA

may help with antimony.

For Aluminum, no baking powder or bakery products containing it, no

processed cheese, no using uncoated aluminum cookware.

>Or tackle the arsenic with DMPS, followed

> by ALA. And what of the antimony? Should I use SAMe? Basically I want

> the best approach for my boy in terms of efficacy and keeping

> discomfort (side-effects) to a minimum. I appreciate there's no single

> approach everyone has their favourites. Can I hear them please.

> Also are my supplements adequate or are additional ones recommended.

>

> Thanks for the help

>

> Kay

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 28 <8.0 red

> antimony 0.17 <0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.15 <0.08 yellow

> beryllium <0.01 <0.02 green

> bismuth 0.013 <0.13 green

> cadmium 0.10 <0.15 green

> lead 4.0 <1.0 yellow

> mercury 5.4 <0.4 red (off the scale)

> platinum <0.003 <0.005 green

> thallium <0.001 <0.01 green

> thorium <0.001 <0.005 green

> uranium 0.014 <0.06 green

> nickel 0.17 <0.4 green

> silver 0.21 <0.20 yellow

> tin 0.52 <0.3 yellow

> titanium 0.75 <1.0 green

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 415 125-370 yellow over

> Magnesium 98 12-30 red over

> Sodium 28 12-90 green under

> Potassium 40 12-40 green over

> Copper 17 8-16 yellow over

> Zinc 130 100-190 white ---

> Manganese 0.17 0.2-0.55 yellow under

> Chromium 0.54 0.26-0.5 yellow over

> Vanadium 0.068 0.03-0.1 green over

> Molybdenum 0.15 0.05-0.13 yellow over

> Boron 0.97 0.60-4 green under

> Iodine 0.44 0.25-1.3 green under

> Lithium 0.007 0.007-0.023 green under

> Phosphorus 195 160-250 green under

> Selenium 1.1 0.95-1.7 green under

> Strontium 1 0.16-1 green over

> Sulfur 53000 45500-53000 green over

> Barium 0.35 0.16-0.8 white -----

> Cobalt 0.018 0.013-0.035 green under

> Iron 14 8-19 green green

> Germanium 0.074 0.045-0.065 yellow over

> Rubidium 0.034 0.016-0.18 green under

> Zirconium 1.7 0.04-1.0 yellow over

>

> Thanks again

[Guest guest]

Andy-

My son is on the brainchilds (graduation formula) with ALA. Should

I stop giving this to him? He is only on a third of his req. dose.

(Getting about 8mg of ALA-he is 41.8 lbs.). I saw this on the lable

when we first received the bottles, so I waited to start it and just

started yesterday.

Thanks, Dena

[Guest guest]

> Andy-

> My son is on the brainchilds (graduation formula) with ALA. Should

> I stop giving this to him? He is only on a third of his req. dose.

> (Getting about 8mg of ALA-he is 41.8 lbs.).

I know several people that use the Brainchild III with ALA as their chelator,

giving it on the chelation protocol of their choice during

" rounds " , then giving Brainchild II between rounds, that does not contain ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

--- In , " kay_chris2000 " <kay@w...>

wrote:

> mercury 5.4 <0.4 red (off the scale)

Does he eat fish, any type of sea food?

My son (as well as my whole family) had similar mercury level in

hairs. For us, mercury was coming from eating fish, and not even the

species that are known to be high in mercury...

[Guest guest]

Featherweight should say aluminum-free on the label.

S

I've been told that Featherweight baking powder does not contain aluminum. Is

this not so? My son had aluminum in him and I am trying to avoid all aluminum.

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Dana,

Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

Thank you

[ ] Re: about to start chelation

> Andy-

> My son is on the brainchilds (graduation formula) with ALA. Should

> I stop giving this to him? He is only on a third of his req. dose.

> (Getting about 8mg of ALA-he is 41.8 lbs.).

I know several people that use the Brainchild III with ALA as their chelator,

giving it on the chelation protocol of their choice during

" rounds " , then giving Brainchild II between rounds, that does not contain ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

>

> Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

I have a few different protocols linked on my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

The people I know of, who are using BrainChild III as part of their protocol,

are following one or another of the ALA protocols linked

here [DAN and Andy].

Dana

[Guest guest]

I noticed that Andy says not to chelate with ALA if copper is high. My son has

high copper in the hair 53 (normal 8-16) but his serum copper is 105 (normal

70-155). I think the high copper in the hair was from swimming alot.

Would it be okay to give the ALA with the normal serum copper or should I wait

until the hair copper goes down?

Thank you

[ ] Re: about to start chelation

--- In , " Sawyer " <sawyerfamily@a...>

wrote:

> Dana,

>

> Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

I have a few different protocols linked on my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

The people I know of, who are using BrainChild III as part of their protocol,

are following one or another of the ALA protocols linked

here [DAN and Andy].

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son has high copper in his hair 53 (normal 8-16) and normal serum copper 105

(normal 70-155). The high hair level could be due to swimming pool exposure.

I want to start the DMSA but I am wary of the ALA. Is it okay to give the ALA

with the normal serum copper/high hair copper or should I wait until the hair

copper comes down?

Thank you

From: danasview

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:59 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: about to start chelation

--- In , " Sawyer " <sawyerfamily@a...>

wrote:

> Dana,

>

> Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

I have a few different protocols linked on my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

The people I know of, who are using BrainChild III as part of their protocol,

are following one or another of the ALA protocols linked

here [DAN and Andy].

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I want to start the DMSA but I am wary of the ALA. Is it okay to give the ALA

with the normal serum copper/high hair copper or

should I wait until the hair copper comes down?

My personal non-scientific opinion, is the give zinc for a week or two, then you

can start low doses of ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I just sat down to calculate my first dose of DMSA - my child weighs 40 lbs.

Therefore, to give 1/2 mg per pound this would equal 20 mg every 3-4 hours. The

DMSA I have is 100 mg capsules.

Any suggestions on how to divide the dose? Should I just separate it into 5

equal looking doses?

Thank you

[ ] Re: about to start chelation

--- In , " Sawyer " <sawyerfamily@a...>

wrote:

> Dana,

>

> Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

I have a few different protocols linked on my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

The people I know of, who are using BrainChild III as part of their protocol,

are following one or another of the ALA protocols linked

here [DAN and Andy].

Dana

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: about to start chelation

--- In , " Sawyer " <sawyerfamily@a...>

wrote:

> Dana,

>

> Can you direct me to websites that have these chelation protocols.

I have a few different protocols linked on my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

The people I know of, who are using BrainChild III as part of their protocol,

are following one or another of the ALA protocols linked

here [DAN and Andy].

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I just sat down to calculate my first dose of DMSA - my child weighs 40 lbs.

Therefore, to give 1/2 mg per pound this would equal

20 mg every 3-4 hours. The DMSA I have is 100 mg capsules.

>

> Any suggestions on how to divide the dose? Should I just separate it into 5

equal looking doses?

That is what I do with the ALA I use. I just open the capsule and divide it

into what *looks like* the dose I want to give my child. This

works for me.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> For Aluminum, no baking powder or bakery products containing it, no

> processed cheese, no using uncoated aluminum cookware.

What about packaging? My son's aluminum levels are now higher and I've

been trying to figure out its source. Until recently, he was drinking a LOT of

rice milk. Today it dawned on me that the inside of the packaging is likely

aluminum based, so I went to the market to buy one. It looks like it's some

sort

of aluminum, could that have been leaching into the rice milk? He used to

drink about a quart each day.

TIA, Lynne

[Guest guest]

> > For Aluminum, no baking powder or bakery products containing it, no

> > processed cheese, no using uncoated aluminum cookware.

>

> What about packaging? My son's aluminum levels are now higher and I've

> been trying to figure out its source.

From the aluminum section of my page, it does include food packaging. I have

links at the bottom of this section where I obtained

this information.

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

" Environmental sources: Construction, power lines, insulated cables and wiring,

cooking utensils,

decorations, fencing, highway signs, cans, food packaging, lipsticks, foil,

dental crowns and dentures and

dental cement, paints, fireworks, veterinary medicines, glues,

disinfectants. Used in the production of

water purification, sugar refining, brewing, paper, glass, ceramics,

rubber, lubricants, wood preservatives,

cosmetics, leather tanning. The active ingredient in deodorants and

antiperspirants. Used to lower

plasma phosphorus levels in patients with kidney issues. Certain vaccines

contain an aluminum base. "

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Hi Andy, Moira, Dana and everyone

>

> This is my first post to the group. I've spent the last 6 weeks

> reading the archives and acting on the advice given.

Glad to hear that you have been able to sort things out from

reading what is here....

> What a wonderful

> group. I've just got my hair test back from DDI. My son is 3.11 mnths

> and 36 lbs. He's currently on Houston enyzmes, BrainChild Nutritional

> products (Spectrum II, Nightcal and zinc) and culturelle (3x/day).

> The results are posted below. What I really need is guidance as to how

> to begin. Using the counting rules he comes out as having normal

> mineral transport. As I understand it, that means the toxic elements

> results are a true reflexion of the situation.

yes, that is right.

(BTW, I didn't " count " the hair results, I'm going by what you

said.)

> Well his mercury levels

> are off the scale. His aluminium is in the red and his lead, antimony

> and arsenic are all high.

Well, I guess you are not one of those people who has to worry

about " unclear " results. Which is good in its own (odd) way.

> So which chelator to use in this case? Do I

> go straight in with ALA (as a general catch-all) or address the Lead

> with DMSA followed by ALA? Or tackle the arsenic with DMPS, followed

> by ALA. And what of the antimony? Should I use SAMe? Basically I want

> the best approach for my boy in terms of efficacy and keeping

> discomfort (side-effects) to a minimum. I appreciate there's no single

> approach everyone has their favourites. Can I hear them please.

I would suggest that you start looking to eliminate sources (I'm

sure Dana posted her metals file location). For chelation I would

think ALA + DMSA, which will remove a broad bunch of junk.

UNLESS there is a reason NOT to use one of them. (Such as

recent mercury exposure (ALA), known liver problems (DMSA)

or known low neutrophils (DMSA). And, of course, be open

to changing the plan mid-stream as needed.

> Also are my supplements adequate or are additional ones recommended.

I'm generally not good at recommending supps, and I have not

memorized the contents of any of the " formulas " (like brain child).

If you want to you could compare the contents of what he is

getting now with Andy's list (which is not all in one place,

but read the first several posts here, in the section on

supplements:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html )

Oh, and you could also add milk thistle extract, which is

a liver support herb. (Being heavy metal poisoned, taking

DMSA, and chelation are all hard on the liver.) You can

take some of it too

good wishes,

Moria