Looking for help with enzymes and B-12 shots

[Guest guest]

Hello, my son just turned 4 and we have been doing biomedical stuff

for a little over a year. We have treated for yeast, chelating for a

year, CLO & Bethanecol, GFCFSF, and secretin for the first 5 months

of this year. We just started enzymes about 3 weeks ago because of

high triglycirdes in stool.

We definitely saw some improvements, along with some hyperactivity

and more stimming. I read DeFelice's book and know that is

pretty typical. Shortly after starting Kirkmans DPP IV Broad

Spectrum Enzymes because of lipase issues we found out that my son

has +4 psuedonomas. As a result, we built his dose slowly to avoid

major die off reactions. About a week ago our doc had us start pure

mB-12, 1250mcg injectibles, daily. In the last few days, we have

seen regression in speech, bloating, gas, loose stools (we haven't

seen this in months) and the return of the dark circles. Today I

didn't give him any enzymes to try and narrow down the culprit.

I am racking my brain, I haven't reintroduced any foods yet, haven't

changed supplements other than the B-12 shots and I am worried.

I apologize for the long post, I am just a little worried and

stressed and looking for advice.

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 23/6/03 2:22:34 am, avalonseed@... writes:

> Hal Huggins says that B-12 shots methylate mercury into its most dangerous

> form. He says in his most recent book " Solving the MS Mystery " that he has

> seen many people damaged from B-12 shots, and he recommends not more than

> 20micrograms of B-12 a day. It is safe in food- like the B-12 you get from

> red meat- just not more than 20micrograms extra. I did some research and

> B-12 is a methylator. I don't understand any more than what he said scared

> me into reducing my intake. I'm not qualified to explain this, just relaying

> what I read. ~

>

> http://www.hugnet.com  -hal huggins site

>

Where in the site did you see anything about dosages? I did see a bit where

he says dont' take B12 in any form during/before surgery because it

methylates mercury. But wouldnt' you be advised not to use anything that is a

methylator if you are worried about this?

marti

[Guest guest]

Hal Huggins says that B-12 shots methylate mercury into its most dangerous

form. He says in his most recent book " Solving the MS Mystery " that he has

seen many people damaged from B-12 shots, and he recommends not more than

20micrograms of B-12 a day. It is safe in food- like the B-12 you get from

red meat- just not more than 20micrograms extra. I did some research and

B-12 is a methylator. I don't understand any more than what he said scared

me into reducing my intake. I'm not qualified to explain this, just relaying

what I read. ~

http://www.hugnet.com -hal huggins site

From: " conniesmom80233 " <odonnellk@...>

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Subject: [ ] Looking for help with enzymes and B-12 shots

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:19:40 -0000

Hello, my son just turned 4 and we have been doing biomedical stuff

for a little over a year. We have treated for yeast, chelating for a

year, CLO & Bethanecol, GFCFSF, and secretin for the first 5 months

of this year. We just started enzymes about 3 weeks ago because of

high triglycirdes in stool.

We definitely saw some improvements, along with some hyperactivity

and more stimming. I read DeFelice's book and know that is

pretty typical. Shortly after starting Kirkmans DPP IV Broad

Spectrum Enzymes because of lipase issues we found out that my son

has +4 psuedonomas. As a result, we built his dose slowly to avoid

major die off reactions. About a week ago our doc had us start pure

mB-12, 1250mcg injectibles, daily. In the last few days, we have

seen regression in speech, bloating, gas, loose stools (we haven't

seen this in months) and the return of the dark circles. Today I

didn't give him any enzymes to try and narrow down the culprit.

I am racking my brain, I haven't reintroduced any foods yet, haven't

changed supplements other than the B-12 shots and I am worried.

I apologize for the long post, I am just a little worried and

stressed and looking for advice.

Thank you,

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[Guest guest]

I thought the DAN protocal was two shots per WEEK , not daily (?) Why

is he having daily injections. Our DAN dr said my daughter should

never have more than two injections per week. This is based on the

latest from the MAY conference ( this is second hand from my dr.

though)

Anne

[Guest guest]

Well, I am certainly v. interested. But as calcium is needed for so many

different processes in the body, there's no real way to get around that one!

marti

[Guest guest]

> major die off reactions. About a week ago our doc had us start pure

> mB-12, 1250mcg injectibles, daily. In the last few days, we have

> seen regression in speech, bloating, gas, loose stools (we haven't

> seen this in months) and the return of the dark circles. Today I

> didn't give him any enzymes to try and narrow down the culprit.

> I am racking my brain, I haven't reintroduced any foods yet, haven't

> changed supplements other than the B-12 shots and I am worried.

For one of my kids, giving more than 200 mcg of oral B12 will cause

major negative behaviors like loss of tolerance for frustration,

whining, loss of sleep, and head banging. Remove the B12, then if you

want to do it again, reduce the dose to well below 1250 mcg. Maybe

consider oral B12 which is what I use. See if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Marti,

I said I got the information from the book- " Solving the MS mystery " by Hal

Huggins. The link was only to provide the source of the book. He had

observed that B-12 in shots or pills had damaged several patients. My

understanding is that people with mercury issues might be harmed further by

the methylating properties of B-12.

He said he sees more problems from B-12 and Calcium than any other

supplements as far as making patients worse. The patients had had their

mercury fillings removed and had become sensitive to B-12 during the

recovery process.

It is my understanding that there are 3 types of Mercury- all Harmful.

1. Hg' - Mercury Vapor

2. Hg++ - Ionic Mercury

3. MeHg - Methyl Mercury

All three cause damage, but act in different ways. Ionic Mercury can be

found in the intestines where it can be methylated into Methyl Mercury which

can easily cross the Blood Brain Barrier and cause the most damage.

B-12 Methylates Mercury (Imura'71)

Intestinal Bacteria stimulate methylation ( '75)

Ionic Mercury doesn't pass the Blood Brain Barrier unless methylated. If

mercury is present in the intestines it can be methylated by B-12 or large

doses of pro-biotics.

I'm not a chemist or a Dr., I'm only repeating what I read as it might be

something to consider if a person is having a bad reaction to B-12 or

probiotics in large doses. Huggins is very firm about this, I'm only

suggesting it might be something to consider.

Best, ~

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From: MarthaRolfe@...

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Subject: Re: [ ] Looking for help with enzymes and B-12 shots

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 01:37:00 EDT

In a message dated 23/6/03 2:22:34 am, avalonseed@... writes:

> Hal Huggins says that B-12 shots methylate mercury into its most

dangerous

> form. He says in his most recent book " Solving the MS Mystery " that he

has

> seen many people damaged from B-12 shots, and he recommends not more than

> 20micrograms of B-12 a day. It is safe in food- like the B-12 you get

from

> red meat- just not more than 20micrograms extra. I did some research and

> B-12 is a methylator. I don't understand any more than what he said

scared

> me into reducing my intake. I'm not qualified to explain this, just

relaying

> what I read. ~

>

> http://www.hugnet.com  -hal huggins site

>

Where in the site did you see anything about dosages? I did see a bit

where

he says dont' take B12 in any form during/before surgery because it

methylates mercury. But wouldnt' you be advised not to use anything that

is a

methylator if you are worried about this?

marti

[Guest guest]

We have been giving B12 injections every 3 days for almost 6

weeks now. We also give folinic acid which is supposed to help. Day

2 after every injection we hear better speech, sentence structure,

even better use of pronouns. I've seen no regressions, just a little

hyperactivity which has been manageable.

> Hello, my son just turned 4 and we have been doing biomedical stuff

> for a little over a year. We have treated for yeast, chelating for

a

> year, CLO & Bethanecol, GFCFSF, and secretin for the first 5 months

> of this year. We just started enzymes about 3 weeks ago because of

> high triglycirdes in stool.

>

> We definitely saw some improvements, along with some hyperactivity

> and more stimming. I read DeFelice's book and know that is

> pretty typical. Shortly after starting Kirkmans DPP IV Broad

> Spectrum Enzymes because of lipase issues we found out that my son

> has +4 psuedonomas. As a result, we built his dose slowly to avoid

> major die off reactions. About a week ago our doc had us start pure

> mB-12, 1250mcg injectibles, daily. In the last few days, we have

> seen regression in speech, bloating, gas, loose stools (we haven't

> seen this in months) and the return of the dark circles. Today I

> didn't give him any enzymes to try and narrow down the culprit.

> I am racking my brain, I haven't reintroduced any foods yet,

haven't

> changed supplements other than the B-12 shots and I am worried.

>

> I apologize for the long post, I am just a little worried and

> stressed and looking for advice.

> Thank you,

>