Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hi Abby, Thank you Abby for these encouraging words. I still have to get the book IE, but I am anxious (and a bit nervous) to do so. As the old saying goes however, "Knowledge is Power"... I am still intriqued by what Eating in the Light of the Moon said in the Addictions chapter about overeating being a process addiction. In that, we are not addicted to food, but to a behavior. I am very glad I am here though... Diane To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: abigail.wolfson@...Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: Re: New Here.... Hi Diane, Welcome! I think that many of us find that as we learn to listen more closely to what our bodies are telling us, we find that we are eating a fairly balanced diet overall. It may not be balanced in one day, but over time, it is. I think many of us feared that if we didn't follow an eating plan that we would just eat "junk" all day long. But I quickly found that when I was allowed to have unlimited access to any food I wanted, I started to crave vegetables and protein and lots of other "nutritious" foods in addition to "play foods." It can be really hard to trust your body, but I hope that maybe that will be a little bit reassuring? I should add, though, that the natural desire for all sorts of different foods doesn't always happen right away... I think our minds have to first be fully convinced that we really, truly, can have any food that we want... and also that no one food is inherently any better than another. It's a journey for sure! Glad to have you with us. Best, Abby IE since 11/08 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Diane Melanson <DMMelansonmsn> wrote: Thank you Sue for the warm welcome... This is scary stuff for sure... I also have these books to obtain, but I started with the Addictions section of Eating in the Light of the Moon... I like what it had to say, but I too suffer from this black / white approach... I am a long way from changing my thinking and behaviors. I do think having a food plan helps me with eating a nutritious balanced set of meals in a day, and that part I like. But the guilt and overeating that happens if I don't follow it perfectly is, well, not too healthy... Having anorexic and bulemic tendencies, I never want to skip meals to the extent I used to. Anyway, Im grateful to be here, and will keep reading and listening... Love to everyone..Diane To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: penguineahotmailDate: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:01:11 +0000Subject: Re: New Here.... WELCOME, Diane!!! I also attended OA (and EDA) meetings for several years. As you noticed, the 12 step philosphy just encouraged my 'all or nothing' mentality. So rather than recover quickly from slight overeating, I tended to think "oh what the heck, I already screwed up. So I might just as well binge eat whatever I want before I get back on track." I finally eliminated binges after I learned to forgive myself for small overeating excesses, stay conscious, rather than let guilt distract me from enjoying what I ate, and turn potential binges into mindful overeating. Likewise the 'powerless' mentality did not help me understand that I CHOSE to overeat. So I could learn to choose to eat moderately. Moderation is the key to avoiding extremes of thinking and/or eating.SUE>> > Hi Jen...> > > > Am proud of you for your efforts... We are, where we are comes to mind. Im new here, and have not yet introduced myself. > > > > Im Diane, and Im coming from a 12 Step OA background. I have had problems with food my whole life, and have been 200 lbs, 110 lbs, 150 lbs, and back to 130 lbs. I have not been heavy for a number of years, and my problems are more oriented with obsession and 'slips' than anything else.> > > > I have realized in tracking my food all through the day, that I had the "ability" to moderate my behavior, which is in conflict with what is enforced within 12 step groups. I guess I am not so Powerless after all... > > > > I am not ready to let go of my food plan, nor the ideals of what a positive day with food / meals consists of. I spent too many days starving myself to risk going back to that... I learned if I stayed "busy enough", food and meals became pretty insigificant.. But then I had a different problem, and that wasn't good either.> > > > Anyway, Im enjoying listening for now, and will start the recommended reading... Grateful for your shares everyone... I certainly qualify for being here...> > > > Diane> > > > > > > > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:25 +0000> Subject: difficult first steps> > > > > > hi everyone,> well i have started the IE book and am really learning a lot and trying to take it all in. > my first attempts have not worked out so well!> so i hope for so wisdom from those who've been there and done that.> > i'm finding it much harder than i thought to give up calorie counting and weighing myself...i think i use those activities to soothe anxiety and help feel in control. but they are the tools of the "diet mentality" i've just learned about and they need to go. why is this so hard?> > i realized observing myself that i am using decaf coffee, which i guess has small amounts of caffeine, to fill up on during the day. i did read in IE that this is quite common.> i'm eating breakfast and lunch, but small amounts. and drinking quite a lot of decaf coffee all thru the day and evening. i get hungry but feel safest drinking decaf..,i'm afraid i'll eat all day too much! > > so that's where i'm at in my first few days.> any feedback is welcome.> thanks for listening!> jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hi Abby, Thank you Abby for these encouraging words. I still have to get the book IE, but I am anxious (and a bit nervous) to do so. As the old saying goes however, "Knowledge is Power"... I am still intriqued by what Eating in the Light of the Moon said in the Addictions chapter about overeating being a process addiction. In that, we are not addicted to food, but to a behavior. I am very glad I am here though... Diane To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: abigail.wolfson@...Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: Re: New Here.... Hi Diane, Welcome! I think that many of us find that as we learn to listen more closely to what our bodies are telling us, we find that we are eating a fairly balanced diet overall. It may not be balanced in one day, but over time, it is. I think many of us feared that if we didn't follow an eating plan that we would just eat "junk" all day long. But I quickly found that when I was allowed to have unlimited access to any food I wanted, I started to crave vegetables and protein and lots of other "nutritious" foods in addition to "play foods." It can be really hard to trust your body, but I hope that maybe that will be a little bit reassuring? I should add, though, that the natural desire for all sorts of different foods doesn't always happen right away... I think our minds have to first be fully convinced that we really, truly, can have any food that we want... and also that no one food is inherently any better than another. It's a journey for sure! Glad to have you with us. Best, Abby IE since 11/08 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Diane Melanson <DMMelansonmsn> wrote: Thank you Sue for the warm welcome... This is scary stuff for sure... I also have these books to obtain, but I started with the Addictions section of Eating in the Light of the Moon... I like what it had to say, but I too suffer from this black / white approach... I am a long way from changing my thinking and behaviors. I do think having a food plan helps me with eating a nutritious balanced set of meals in a day, and that part I like. But the guilt and overeating that happens if I don't follow it perfectly is, well, not too healthy... Having anorexic and bulemic tendencies, I never want to skip meals to the extent I used to. Anyway, Im grateful to be here, and will keep reading and listening... Love to everyone..Diane To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: penguineahotmailDate: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:01:11 +0000Subject: Re: New Here.... WELCOME, Diane!!! I also attended OA (and EDA) meetings for several years. As you noticed, the 12 step philosphy just encouraged my 'all or nothing' mentality. So rather than recover quickly from slight overeating, I tended to think "oh what the heck, I already screwed up. So I might just as well binge eat whatever I want before I get back on track." I finally eliminated binges after I learned to forgive myself for small overeating excesses, stay conscious, rather than let guilt distract me from enjoying what I ate, and turn potential binges into mindful overeating. Likewise the 'powerless' mentality did not help me understand that I CHOSE to overeat. So I could learn to choose to eat moderately. Moderation is the key to avoiding extremes of thinking and/or eating.SUE>> > Hi Jen...> > > > Am proud of you for your efforts... We are, where we are comes to mind. Im new here, and have not yet introduced myself. > > > > Im Diane, and Im coming from a 12 Step OA background. I have had problems with food my whole life, and have been 200 lbs, 110 lbs, 150 lbs, and back to 130 lbs. I have not been heavy for a number of years, and my problems are more oriented with obsession and 'slips' than anything else.> > > > I have realized in tracking my food all through the day, that I had the "ability" to moderate my behavior, which is in conflict with what is enforced within 12 step groups. I guess I am not so Powerless after all... > > > > I am not ready to let go of my food plan, nor the ideals of what a positive day with food / meals consists of. I spent too many days starving myself to risk going back to that... I learned if I stayed "busy enough", food and meals became pretty insigificant.. But then I had a different problem, and that wasn't good either.> > > > Anyway, Im enjoying listening for now, and will start the recommended reading... Grateful for your shares everyone... I certainly qualify for being here...> > > > Diane> > > > > > > > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:25 +0000> Subject: difficult first steps> > > > > > hi everyone,> well i have started the IE book and am really learning a lot and trying to take it all in. > my first attempts have not worked out so well!> so i hope for so wisdom from those who've been there and done that.> > i'm finding it much harder than i thought to give up calorie counting and weighing myself...i think i use those activities to soothe anxiety and help feel in control. but they are the tools of the "diet mentality" i've just learned about and they need to go. why is this so hard?> > i realized observing myself that i am using decaf coffee, which i guess has small amounts of caffeine, to fill up on during the day. i did read in IE that this is quite common.> i'm eating breakfast and lunch, but small amounts. and drinking quite a lot of decaf coffee all thru the day and evening. i get hungry but feel safest drinking decaf..,i'm afraid i'll eat all day too much! > > so that's where i'm at in my first few days.> any feedback is welcome.> thanks for listening!> jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Diane,I think it's pretty awesome that you can verbalize that your are anxious and nervous about getting the IE book. Are you able to understand why you feel that way? It's important to remember that YOU are in charge of your journey. Even if you have the book, and read it, and the suggestions make sense, you don't have to follow them until such time as YOU feel ready. Also, fyi, the book is very gentle and encouraging and isn't going to scold you or make you feel bad about yourself. Also, when you think about giving up a behavior that isn't working for you, such as binging, I think it's important to also think about the ways that binging HAS served you. Because obviously you wouldn't have done it if it hadn't done something great for you. And maybe think about ways that you are going to give yourself the self-care that you need, that you are using binging for right now. And remember, too, that no one is going to take binging away from you. Maybe at some point soon during a binge you'll be able to observe, without judgement, " hey, i'm binging right now. what else is going on in my life that led me to this comfort-seeking behavior? " And then you can go back to your binge, without feeling badly about yourself. I think that for many of us, when we give ourselves permission to do something, such as binging, and refuse to beat ourselves up for it, we stop craving the forbidden behavior as much. And further down the line, perhaps you will recognize the urge to binge BEFORE you start, and will be able to figure out what you really need, and can give yourself that, instead or in addition. So maybe for now you can try to work on not beating yourself up if you binge? And making sure to feed yourself again as soon as you get hungry after a binge? Congratulations on taking these scary first steps! Abby  Hi Abby,  Thank you Abby for these encouraging words. I still have to get the book IE, but I am anxious (and a bit nervous) to do so. As the old saying goes however, " Knowledge is Power " ...   I am still intriqued by what Eating in the Light of the Moon said in the Addictions chapter about overeating being a process addiction. In that, we are not addicted to food, but to a behavior.  I am very glad I am here though... Diane   To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: abigail.wolfson@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: Re: New Here.... Hi Diane, Welcome! I think that many of us find that as we learn to listen more closely to what our bodies are telling us, we find that we are eating a fairly balanced diet overall. It may not be balanced in one day, but over time, it is. I think many of us feared that if we didn't follow an eating plan that we would just eat " junk " all day long. But I quickly found that when I was allowed to have unlimited access to any food I wanted, I started to crave vegetables and protein and lots of other " nutritious " foods in addition to " play foods. " It can be really hard to trust your body, but I hope that maybe that will be a little bit reassuring? I should add, though, that the natural desire for all sorts of different foods doesn't always happen right away... I think our minds have to first be fully convinced that we really, truly, can have any food that we want... and also that no one food is inherently any better than another. It's a journey for sure! Glad to have you with us. Best, Abby IE since 11/08  Thank you Sue for the warm welcome... This is scary stuff for sure...  I also have these books to obtain, but I started with the Addictions section of Eating in the Light of the Moon...  I like what it had to say, but I too suffer from this black / white approach...  I am a long way from changing my thinking and behaviors. I do think having a food plan helps me with eating a nutritious balanced set of meals in a day, and that part I like.  But the guilt and overeating that happens if I don't follow it perfectly is, well, not too healthy...  Having anorexic and bulemic tendencies, I never want to skip meals to the extent I used to. Anyway, Im grateful to be here, and will keep reading and listening...   Love to everyone..Diane  To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: penguinea@...Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:01:11 +0000 Subject: Re: New Here.... WELCOME, Diane!!! I also attended OA (and EDA) meetings for several years. As you noticed, the 12 step philosphy just encouraged my 'all or nothing' mentality. So rather than recover quickly from slight overeating, I tended to think " oh what the heck, I already screwed up. So I might just as well binge eat whatever I want before I get back on track. " I finally eliminated binges after I learned to forgive myself for small overeating excesses, stay conscious, rather than let guilt distract me from enjoying what I ate, and turn potential binges into mindful overeating. Likewise the 'powerless' mentality did not help me understand that I CHOSE to overeat. So I could learn to choose to eat moderately. Moderation is the key to avoiding extremes of thinking and/or eating. SUE>> > Hi Jen...> > > > Am proud of you for your efforts... We are, where we are comes to mind. Im new here, and have not yet introduced myself. > > > > Im Diane, and Im coming from a 12 Step OA background. I have had problems with food my whole life, and have been 200 lbs, 110 lbs, 150 lbs, and back to 130 lbs. I have not been heavy for a number of years, and my problems are more oriented with obsession and 'slips' than anything else. > > > > I have realized in tracking my food all through the day, that I had the " ability " to moderate my behavior, which is in conflict with what is enforced within 12 step groups. I guess I am not so Powerless after all... > > > > I am not ready to let go of my food plan, nor the ideals of what a positive day with food / meals consists of. I spent too many days starving myself to risk going back to that... I learned if I stayed " busy enough " , food and meals became pretty insigificant.. But then I had a different problem, and that wasn't good either. > > > > Anyway, Im enjoying listening for now, and will start the recommended reading... Grateful for your shares everyone... I certainly qualify for being here...> > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > From: jentodd510@... > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:25 +0000> Subject: difficult first steps> > > > > > hi everyone,> well i have started the IE book and am really learning a lot and trying to take it all in. > my first attempts have not worked out so well!> so i hope for so wisdom from those who've been there and done that.> > i'm finding it much harder than i thought to give up calorie counting and weighing myself...i think i use those activities to soothe anxiety and help feel in control. but they are the tools of the " diet mentality " i've just learned about and they need to go. why is this so hard? > > i realized observing myself that i am using decaf coffee, which i guess has small amounts of caffeine, to fill up on during the day. i did read in IE that this is quite common.> i'm eating breakfast and lunch, but small amounts. and drinking quite a lot of decaf coffee all thru the day and evening. i get hungry but feel safest drinking decaf..,i'm afraid i'll eat all day too much! > > so that's where i'm at in my first few days.> any feedback is welcome.> thanks for listening!> jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Diane,I think it's pretty awesome that you can verbalize that your are anxious and nervous about getting the IE book. Are you able to understand why you feel that way? It's important to remember that YOU are in charge of your journey. Even if you have the book, and read it, and the suggestions make sense, you don't have to follow them until such time as YOU feel ready. Also, fyi, the book is very gentle and encouraging and isn't going to scold you or make you feel bad about yourself. Also, when you think about giving up a behavior that isn't working for you, such as binging, I think it's important to also think about the ways that binging HAS served you. Because obviously you wouldn't have done it if it hadn't done something great for you. And maybe think about ways that you are going to give yourself the self-care that you need, that you are using binging for right now. And remember, too, that no one is going to take binging away from you. Maybe at some point soon during a binge you'll be able to observe, without judgement, " hey, i'm binging right now. what else is going on in my life that led me to this comfort-seeking behavior? " And then you can go back to your binge, without feeling badly about yourself. I think that for many of us, when we give ourselves permission to do something, such as binging, and refuse to beat ourselves up for it, we stop craving the forbidden behavior as much. And further down the line, perhaps you will recognize the urge to binge BEFORE you start, and will be able to figure out what you really need, and can give yourself that, instead or in addition. So maybe for now you can try to work on not beating yourself up if you binge? And making sure to feed yourself again as soon as you get hungry after a binge? Congratulations on taking these scary first steps! Abby  Hi Abby,  Thank you Abby for these encouraging words. I still have to get the book IE, but I am anxious (and a bit nervous) to do so. As the old saying goes however, " Knowledge is Power " ...   I am still intriqued by what Eating in the Light of the Moon said in the Addictions chapter about overeating being a process addiction. In that, we are not addicted to food, but to a behavior.  I am very glad I am here though... Diane   To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: abigail.wolfson@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: Re: New Here.... Hi Diane, Welcome! I think that many of us find that as we learn to listen more closely to what our bodies are telling us, we find that we are eating a fairly balanced diet overall. It may not be balanced in one day, but over time, it is. I think many of us feared that if we didn't follow an eating plan that we would just eat " junk " all day long. But I quickly found that when I was allowed to have unlimited access to any food I wanted, I started to crave vegetables and protein and lots of other " nutritious " foods in addition to " play foods. " It can be really hard to trust your body, but I hope that maybe that will be a little bit reassuring? I should add, though, that the natural desire for all sorts of different foods doesn't always happen right away... I think our minds have to first be fully convinced that we really, truly, can have any food that we want... and also that no one food is inherently any better than another. It's a journey for sure! Glad to have you with us. Best, Abby IE since 11/08  Thank you Sue for the warm welcome... This is scary stuff for sure...  I also have these books to obtain, but I started with the Addictions section of Eating in the Light of the Moon...  I like what it had to say, but I too suffer from this black / white approach...  I am a long way from changing my thinking and behaviors. I do think having a food plan helps me with eating a nutritious balanced set of meals in a day, and that part I like.  But the guilt and overeating that happens if I don't follow it perfectly is, well, not too healthy...  Having anorexic and bulemic tendencies, I never want to skip meals to the extent I used to. Anyway, Im grateful to be here, and will keep reading and listening...   Love to everyone..Diane  To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: penguinea@...Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:01:11 +0000 Subject: Re: New Here.... WELCOME, Diane!!! I also attended OA (and EDA) meetings for several years. As you noticed, the 12 step philosphy just encouraged my 'all or nothing' mentality. So rather than recover quickly from slight overeating, I tended to think " oh what the heck, I already screwed up. So I might just as well binge eat whatever I want before I get back on track. " I finally eliminated binges after I learned to forgive myself for small overeating excesses, stay conscious, rather than let guilt distract me from enjoying what I ate, and turn potential binges into mindful overeating. Likewise the 'powerless' mentality did not help me understand that I CHOSE to overeat. So I could learn to choose to eat moderately. Moderation is the key to avoiding extremes of thinking and/or eating. SUE>> > Hi Jen...> > > > Am proud of you for your efforts... We are, where we are comes to mind. Im new here, and have not yet introduced myself. > > > > Im Diane, and Im coming from a 12 Step OA background. I have had problems with food my whole life, and have been 200 lbs, 110 lbs, 150 lbs, and back to 130 lbs. I have not been heavy for a number of years, and my problems are more oriented with obsession and 'slips' than anything else. > > > > I have realized in tracking my food all through the day, that I had the " ability " to moderate my behavior, which is in conflict with what is enforced within 12 step groups. I guess I am not so Powerless after all... > > > > I am not ready to let go of my food plan, nor the ideals of what a positive day with food / meals consists of. I spent too many days starving myself to risk going back to that... I learned if I stayed " busy enough " , food and meals became pretty insigificant.. But then I had a different problem, and that wasn't good either. > > > > Anyway, Im enjoying listening for now, and will start the recommended reading... Grateful for your shares everyone... I certainly qualify for being here...> > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > From: jentodd510@... > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:25 +0000> Subject: difficult first steps> > > > > > hi everyone,> well i have started the IE book and am really learning a lot and trying to take it all in. > my first attempts have not worked out so well!> so i hope for so wisdom from those who've been there and done that.> > i'm finding it much harder than i thought to give up calorie counting and weighing myself...i think i use those activities to soothe anxiety and help feel in control. but they are the tools of the " diet mentality " i've just learned about and they need to go. why is this so hard? > > i realized observing myself that i am using decaf coffee, which i guess has small amounts of caffeine, to fill up on during the day. i did read in IE that this is quite common.> i'm eating breakfast and lunch, but small amounts. and drinking quite a lot of decaf coffee all thru the day and evening. i get hungry but feel safest drinking decaf..,i'm afraid i'll eat all day too much! > > so that's where i'm at in my first few days.> any feedback is welcome.> thanks for listening!> jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Diane,I think it's pretty awesome that you can verbalize that your are anxious and nervous about getting the IE book. Are you able to understand why you feel that way? It's important to remember that YOU are in charge of your journey. Even if you have the book, and read it, and the suggestions make sense, you don't have to follow them until such time as YOU feel ready. Also, fyi, the book is very gentle and encouraging and isn't going to scold you or make you feel bad about yourself. Also, when you think about giving up a behavior that isn't working for you, such as binging, I think it's important to also think about the ways that binging HAS served you. Because obviously you wouldn't have done it if it hadn't done something great for you. And maybe think about ways that you are going to give yourself the self-care that you need, that you are using binging for right now. And remember, too, that no one is going to take binging away from you. Maybe at some point soon during a binge you'll be able to observe, without judgement, " hey, i'm binging right now. what else is going on in my life that led me to this comfort-seeking behavior? " And then you can go back to your binge, without feeling badly about yourself. I think that for many of us, when we give ourselves permission to do something, such as binging, and refuse to beat ourselves up for it, we stop craving the forbidden behavior as much. And further down the line, perhaps you will recognize the urge to binge BEFORE you start, and will be able to figure out what you really need, and can give yourself that, instead or in addition. So maybe for now you can try to work on not beating yourself up if you binge? And making sure to feed yourself again as soon as you get hungry after a binge? Congratulations on taking these scary first steps! Abby  Hi Abby,  Thank you Abby for these encouraging words. I still have to get the book IE, but I am anxious (and a bit nervous) to do so. As the old saying goes however, " Knowledge is Power " ...   I am still intriqued by what Eating in the Light of the Moon said in the Addictions chapter about overeating being a process addiction. In that, we are not addicted to food, but to a behavior.  I am very glad I am here though... Diane   To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: abigail.wolfson@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: Re: New Here.... Hi Diane, Welcome! I think that many of us find that as we learn to listen more closely to what our bodies are telling us, we find that we are eating a fairly balanced diet overall. It may not be balanced in one day, but over time, it is. I think many of us feared that if we didn't follow an eating plan that we would just eat " junk " all day long. But I quickly found that when I was allowed to have unlimited access to any food I wanted, I started to crave vegetables and protein and lots of other " nutritious " foods in addition to " play foods. " It can be really hard to trust your body, but I hope that maybe that will be a little bit reassuring? I should add, though, that the natural desire for all sorts of different foods doesn't always happen right away... I think our minds have to first be fully convinced that we really, truly, can have any food that we want... and also that no one food is inherently any better than another. It's a journey for sure! Glad to have you with us. Best, Abby IE since 11/08  Thank you Sue for the warm welcome... This is scary stuff for sure...  I also have these books to obtain, but I started with the Addictions section of Eating in the Light of the Moon...  I like what it had to say, but I too suffer from this black / white approach...  I am a long way from changing my thinking and behaviors. I do think having a food plan helps me with eating a nutritious balanced set of meals in a day, and that part I like.  But the guilt and overeating that happens if I don't follow it perfectly is, well, not too healthy...  Having anorexic and bulemic tendencies, I never want to skip meals to the extent I used to. Anyway, Im grateful to be here, and will keep reading and listening...   Love to everyone..Diane  To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: penguinea@...Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:01:11 +0000 Subject: Re: New Here.... WELCOME, Diane!!! I also attended OA (and EDA) meetings for several years. As you noticed, the 12 step philosphy just encouraged my 'all or nothing' mentality. So rather than recover quickly from slight overeating, I tended to think " oh what the heck, I already screwed up. So I might just as well binge eat whatever I want before I get back on track. " I finally eliminated binges after I learned to forgive myself for small overeating excesses, stay conscious, rather than let guilt distract me from enjoying what I ate, and turn potential binges into mindful overeating. Likewise the 'powerless' mentality did not help me understand that I CHOSE to overeat. So I could learn to choose to eat moderately. Moderation is the key to avoiding extremes of thinking and/or eating. SUE>> > Hi Jen...> > > > Am proud of you for your efforts... We are, where we are comes to mind. Im new here, and have not yet introduced myself. > > > > Im Diane, and Im coming from a 12 Step OA background. I have had problems with food my whole life, and have been 200 lbs, 110 lbs, 150 lbs, and back to 130 lbs. I have not been heavy for a number of years, and my problems are more oriented with obsession and 'slips' than anything else. > > > > I have realized in tracking my food all through the day, that I had the " ability " to moderate my behavior, which is in conflict with what is enforced within 12 step groups. I guess I am not so Powerless after all... > > > > I am not ready to let go of my food plan, nor the ideals of what a positive day with food / meals consists of. I spent too many days starving myself to risk going back to that... I learned if I stayed " busy enough " , food and meals became pretty insigificant.. But then I had a different problem, and that wasn't good either. > > > > Anyway, Im enjoying listening for now, and will start the recommended reading... Grateful for your shares everyone... I certainly qualify for being here...> > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > From: jentodd510@... > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:25 +0000> Subject: difficult first steps> > > > > > hi everyone,> well i have started the IE book and am really learning a lot and trying to take it all in. > my first attempts have not worked out so well!> so i hope for so wisdom from those who've been there and done that.> > i'm finding it much harder than i thought to give up calorie counting and weighing myself...i think i use those activities to soothe anxiety and help feel in control. but they are the tools of the " diet mentality " i've just learned about and they need to go. why is this so hard? > > i realized observing myself that i am using decaf coffee, which i guess has small amounts of caffeine, to fill up on during the day. i did read in IE that this is quite common.> i'm eating breakfast and lunch, but small amounts. and drinking quite a lot of decaf coffee all thru the day and evening. i get hungry but feel safest drinking decaf..,i'm afraid i'll eat all day too much! > > so that's where i'm at in my first few days.> any feedback is welcome.> thanks for listening!> jen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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