Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 > Is there anyone on this list that is chelating while doing the > Specific Carbohydrate Diet? Since DMSA & ALA are " illegal " on the > SCD diet, what do you use? wow, this is really interesting. I don't know anything about the SCD diet, but I don't recall hearing this issue before. Why are they illegal (by SCD rules)? Are you sure it is alpha lipoic acid (not alpha linoleic acid, an essential fatty acid) that is illegal? > Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to > you get them to take it when they cannot swallow a capsule? Can you use juice? or concentrated juice (probably that is " cheating " )? or fruit sauce? or unsweetened fruit jam? good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 As with many things, the SCD has taken on a religious aura. Since it is talking about starving yeast, not about avoiding allergies, some amount of the " bad stuff " is OK if it is a small enough amount. I don't know if the powdered vitamins are " small enough amount, " but you could try it. or you could go on the diet and then start hunting around for suitable supplmenets and introduce them as you find them or run out of what you have. Andy . . . .. . . . . > I believe it is the sweetener that is in it. There is a list of > supplements that are considered " illegal " on the SCD diet and most of > what I give my son from Kirkman's is on it. I need to chose to not > do the diet or find another source of supplements. > > > > > > > Is there anyone on this list that is chelating while doing the > > > Specific Carbohydrate Diet? Since DMSA & ALA are " illegal " on > the > > > SCD diet, what do you use? > > > > wow, this is really interesting. I don't know anything about the > > SCD diet, but I don't recall hearing this issue before. > > Why are they illegal (by SCD rules)? > > Are you sure it is alpha lipoic acid (not alpha linoleic acid, > > an essential fatty acid) that is illegal? > > > > > Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to > > > you get them to take it when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > Can you use juice? or concentrated juice (probably that is > > " cheating " )? or fruit sauce? or unsweetened fruit jam? > > > > good wishes, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 >>>Since DMSA & ALA are " illegal " on the SCD diet, what do you use? >>> Why are they illegal (by SCD rules)? Because anything that promotes gut bugs is illegal by SCD. That includes practically all chelators or semi-chelators or detoxing agents as most can enhance gut bugs. The strategy is that once the gut heals and proper nutrition is restored the body will naturally detox itself. I think the metal detox issue hasn't come up much before on SCD. >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take it when they cannot swallow a capsule? SCD is not big on much extra supplements at all. You would have to study it and see if it is something you want to do instead of other avenues. I would be most interested in finding out the success rate of those actually healed and returning to a typical wholesome diet. Otherwise you are on another ultra-restrictive diet for a long, long time. >>> Can you use juice? or concentrated juice (probably that is > " cheating " )? or fruit sauce? or unsweetened fruit jam? Only a few selected juices. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Those people who ignore the religious dogma, restrict diet to those foods on the SCD permitted list, continue to use supplements and chelate seem to like the results just fine. Of course the body is not going to detox itself of brain mercury no matter what special diet you eat. Also the SCD isn't terribly restrictive so it is possible to combine it with other necessary diet restrictions and still have enough left to eat you can honestly call it a diet instead of a punishment. Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >>>Since DMSA & ALA are " illegal " on the SCD diet, what do you use? > > >>> Why are they illegal (by SCD rules)? > > Because anything that promotes gut bugs is illegal by SCD. That > includes practically all chelators or semi-chelators or detoxing > agents as most can enhance gut bugs. The strategy is that once the > gut heals and proper nutrition is restored the body will naturally > detox itself. I think the metal detox issue hasn't come up much > before on SCD. > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take it > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > SCD is not big on much extra supplements at all. You would have to > study it and see if it is something you want to do instead of other > avenues. I would be most interested in finding out the success rate > of those actually healed and returning to a typical wholesome diet. > Otherwise you are on another ultra-restrictive diet for a long, long > time. > > > >>> Can you use juice? or concentrated juice (probably that is > > " cheating " )? or fruit sauce? or unsweetened fruit jam? > > Only a few selected juices. > > K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take it when they cannot swallow a capsule? Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: http://www.pecanbread.com/ http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > it > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Hey All, I don't have time to read books right now. We've been GFCF for about 5 years now and chelating for 3. Can someone give me the short list of foods you can and can't have on this diet and why it's supposed to be Ok/better/worse than GFCF? Thanks! (or a website if that works! The point is--something brief-- since my son and I are in the middle of Philosophy and Medieval History!) Barb [ ] Re: SCD & chelation > Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you > can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is > available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > > it > > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > > > Ro > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 We have not started SCD, but I have read the book and am strongly considering it. We are now GFCF....The long and the short of it (without experience) is that it allows some dairy (very well fermented yogurt (at least 24 hrs), farmers cheese and some other diary products. However it removes all disaccharides since these " carbs " escape digestion due to their complexity and feed microbes that cause upset. These include potatoes, corn, rice and other " permitted " foods under GFCF. Some attempt to do the SCD while remaining CF. As an aside - we are also on the Feingold program. romkemas <jromkema@...> wrote:Hey All, I don't have time to read books right now. We've been GFCF for about 5 years now and chelating for 3. Can someone give me the short list of foods you can and can't have on this diet and why it's supposed to be Ok/better/worse than GFCF? Thanks! (or a website if that works! The point is--something brief-- since my son and I are in the middle of Philosophy and Medieval History!) Barb [ ] Re: SCD & chelation > Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you > can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is > available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > > it > > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > > > Ro > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Does anyone know why vinegar is allowed on the SCD diet. Vinegar is not allowed on the GF diet (vinegar made from grains), but the SCD diet says it is GF. This seems insignificant, but it won't be to me. Thanks, Terry iginal Message ----- From: bosapani Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: SCD & chelation We have not started SCD, but I have read the book and am strongly considering it. We are now GFCF....The long and the short of it (without experience) is that it allows some dairy (very well fermented yogurt (at least 24 hrs), farmers cheese and some other diary products. However it removes all disaccharides since these " carbs " escape digestion due to their complexity and feed microbes that cause upset. These include potatoes, corn, rice and other " permitted " foods under GFCF. Some attempt to do the SCD while remaining CF. As an aside - we are also on the Feingold program. romkemas <jromkema@...> wrote:Hey All, I don't have time to read books right now. We've been GFCF for about 5 years now and chelating for 3. Can someone give me the short list of foods you can and can't have on this diet and why it's supposed to be Ok/better/worse than GFCF? Thanks! (or a website if that works! The point is--something brief-- since my son and I are in the middle of Philosophy and Medieval History!) Barb [ ] Re: SCD & chelation > Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you > can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is > available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > > it > > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > > > Ro > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Vinegar used to be considered unsafe for celiacs but now researchers have found that it is actually safe. Lists that say it is not GF have just not been updated with the latest research. Hey All, > I don't have time to read books right now. We've been GFCF for about 5 > years now and chelating for 3. Can someone give me the short list of foods > you can and can't have on this diet and why it's supposed to be > Ok/better/worse than GFCF? > > Thanks! > (or a website if that works! The point is--something brief-- since my son > and I are in the middle of Philosophy and Medieval History!) > Barb > [ ] Re: SCD & chelation > > > > Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you > > can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is > > available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. > > > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > > > it > > > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > > > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > > > > > Ro > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Web sites for SCD include: http://lyris.dundee.net/read/? forum=elaineschildren, a message board for SCD, http://www.pecanbread.com/ , lots of links here, http://www.newtreatments.org/scdiet.php3 , this site explains the theory of the diet. --- In , " romkemas " <jromkema@f...> wrote: > Hey All, > I don't have time to read books right now. We've been GFCF for about 5 > years now and chelating for 3. Can someone give me the short list of foods > you can and can't have on this diet and why it's supposed to be > Ok/better/worse than GFCF? > > Thanks! > (or a website if that works! The point is--something brief-- since my son > and I are in the middle of Philosophy and Medieval History!) > Barb > [ ] Re: SCD & chelation > > > > Yes, one of the big, big, BIIIIIG advantages of the SCD is that you > > can have sweet things, just not all of them. But honey is fine and is > > available in an enormous number of flavors if you look around. > > > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > > > >>> Since sweeteners are not allowed, how to you get them to take > > > it > > > when they cannot swallow a capsule? > > > > > > Honey is allowed on the SCD diet. Here are some very useful links > > > with information you may find helpful concerning the SCD diet: > > > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > > > > > Ro > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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