Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Tinq, Athough I am a (inactive) Methodist, I thought this Church was excessively hospitable to steppism -- I remember when I was both an active churchgoer and doing step service stuff (1985 - 6) going with other steppers to see the church social responsibility group to " clue them in " about addiction. I was embarrassed by the sheer arrogance displayed by some of the steppers on this occasion, though it was only typical -- claims to uniqueness of insight into addiction made by vulgar dispargement of medical professionals and similar anti-intellectual affirmations of " our " invincibility in the recovery biz. The Methodist's rooms were widely used by NA, AA and Coda, the local groups which in my case helped to destroy the very marriage that was consecrated in the same Church when my wife and I reached the parting of the ways due to her brainwashed devotion to XA. Best wishes, . >From: Tinquerbelle@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: (unknown) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:43 -0400 (EDT) > > >Aahh, the exquisite mental masturbation of recovery.... > >The further you go, the greater you are...the more intuitive you are, >the wiser you are; the deeper into the program, the more power you have >over others and in humility share your wisdom with others....you are a >channel of the " higher power " and in such a state of " Grce " you are >given the responsibility to share your " salvation " with others....If >they disagree with you, you let the disease bring them to their senses >and when they see the " light " they will come to you and beg for your > " wisdom " ...You are " King " but you will never admit it, to do so is to >lose your power....so you direct them to the " Programme " . So is the life >of the " Sponsor. " > >The blind lead the blind . Life revolves around not takng a drink, and >in not taking a drink, the " recoering alcoholic " must need by his >disease direct the helpless practicing alcoholic to accept a fate worse >than death....a lifelong battle to not " pick up " , " one day at a time " , >and in his humility of weakness accept the fact that he cannot, forever, >be a self-actualizing being. To do so, to rely on one's reason, is >poison. > >That there are lost, confused, misguided, psychopathical, weak, greedy, >selfish, perverted people who come into AA I will not disclaime, for >there are, but to enable these nut-cases with " god " s " powe and wisdom >because they are " working the Programme " and not taking a drink today >and empower them with the strength to influence legal and constiutional >rights of citizens of this county is unconscionable. > >I'm sitting here in a city in Florida and I know from attending >meetings, when I did, the Ministry is being infiltratd by " Steppers. " . >A minister of a local Methodist church is a recovering alcolhic and his > " salvation " if from hs " recovery. " He had another Methodist minister >attnd a meeting of AA on the other side of town and I don't know what >to think. For shame, I have to report that this Minister was actuall >listening to all the BS of AA. > >What canI do? > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Dear Doug, The only person I have known in my life (56 years) of life who I woud consider worthy of the name " human " was my aunt, who was Methodist and a woman who loved without judgment, who seemed to umderstand the human condition amd accepted all she met with a spirit of kindness. That she would be the same no matter what her affiliation I have no doubt. However, this spirit may be found in all faths and this open sentiment may lead to a fascism that the open-minded are powerless against. The Steppers are not concerned with decency, justice, mercy, knowledge, fairness, kindness, or brotherly love; they are concened with the lowest of the low showing the world that they ar the " chosen " of " god " to lead the world. I've been` there, 20 + years....`..I know what I'm talkin' about. Even some of the members don't have a clue... The losers, the angry, the self-rightous are the ones to be feared, the ignorant,the gullible are the ones in AA who woul claim knowledge...the anwersto life....for all. It looks like they may pull it off....but`,of course, if` the` insurance companies give` up and the fighters for constitutional` rights of separation church and state fight against this travesty of reason, there may be hope against the insanity of " groupism. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Dear Doug, As an addendum to my previous message, because I am so anti-AA, I neglegted the misery that AA has caused to your marriage. I am sorry. I left a marriage, also, after joiining AA. It has been twenty years and I still sometimes wonder if I did the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 " The Steppers are not concerned with decency, justice, mercy, knowledge, fairness, kindness, or brotherly love; they are concened with the lowest of the low showing the world that they ar the " chosen " of " god " to lead the world. " -- not for the first time, Tinq, you say it better than I've often tried to -- tell it like it is -- it's like Nazism, seizure of power by the lowest in name of coercive, reductive, brutal " philosophy " as a bus ride to secure identity -- . >From: Tinquerbelle@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:37:33 -0400 (EDT) > >Dear Doug, > >The only person I have known in my life (56 years) of life who I woud >consider worthy of the name " human " was my aunt, who was Methodist and a >woman who loved without judgment, who seemed to umderstand the human >condition amd accepted all she met with a spirit of kindness. That she >would be the same no matter what her affiliation I have no doubt. > >However, this spirit may be found in all faths and this open sentiment >may lead to a fascism that the open-minded are powerless against. > >The Steppers are not concerned with decency, justice, mercy, knowledge, >fairness, kindness, or brotherly love; they are concened with the lowest >of the low showing the world that they ar the " chosen " of " god " to lead >the world. > >I've been` there, 20 + years....`..I know what I'm talkin' about. Even >some of the members don't have a clue... > >The losers, the angry, the self-rightous are the ones to be feared, the >ignorant,the gullible are the ones in AA who woul claim knowledge...the >anwersto life....for all. > >It looks like they may pull it off....but`,of course, if` the` insurance >companies give` up and the fighters for constitutional` rights of >separation church and state fight against this travesty of reason, >there may be hope against the insanity of " groupism. " > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Tinq -- it's a difficult (to put it mildly) matter. I was left standing when the marriage left me -- I'm getting nearer being over it (only four years in), but I'll probably never know how we might have made out if XA hadn't been there with the boot in -- usual sponsor sh*t -- you must leave to protect your recovery, full XA back-up crew so's my ex is effectively encouraged to walk out and into the arms of the group. She now has some 12step pigeon in tow -- all very sick. Yours . >From: Tinquerbelle@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: (unknown) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:14:03 -0400 (EDT) > >Dear Doug, > >As an addendum to my previous message, because I am so anti-AA, I >neglegted the misery that AA has caused to your marriage. > >I am sorry. I left a marriage, also, after joiining AA. It has been >twenty years and I still sometimes wonder if I did the right thing. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Darci, Thanks for your advice, sometimes i feel like I am talking about everything that has happened too much and then other times i get mad at myself for not talking more, but just knowing you guys are here if I need it helps me feel soooo much better, because you know exactly what I am going through. Do you happen to have any ideas for a way to memorialize our baby since we didn't get to have a funeral. It has been really heavy on my mind lately. I would love to hear any ideas from you or anyone. Thanks, ----Keri > > Keri, > Welcome and thank you for your kind words. When I was > taken to emergency, I wasn't too scared either. I > think that I was in shock and denial. It took a few > days for it to all sink in. > Don't be afraid to lean on people and ask people to > lend an ear. It was hard to do at first but got > easier. I have more good days than bad days now. That > ache is still very much there. I think we all have it > and only one thing will make it better. > Keep your chin up and cry when you need to. > > Hugs, > Darci > > _______________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 hello everyone, well it has been 4 months since my ep and we are going to be ttc again i have been taking my clomid and i have my u/s tommrow then i find out wether i can take the hcg trigger shot on friday my iui will be on either sat or sunday depending on what the follies look like on the u/s. Sorry i haven't been responding to emails much but i just kinda took a break from everthing. j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Thats great news!!! I hope your IUI goes well. Sending you lots of +++++++thoughts!! Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 kimberly j, lots of ++++++++++++++++thoughts and ::::::::::::::::::::::::baby dust for you... lisa r T.T.F.N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 kimberly j, lots of ++++++++++++++++thoughts and ::::::::::::::::::::::::baby dust for you... lisa r T.T.F.N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 kimberly j, lots of ++++++++++++++++thoughts and ::::::::::::::::::::::::baby dust for you... lisa r T.T.F.N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 , Good luck on the IUI, this has to be exciting for you Vicki Jarrett Jumper wrote: > > hello everyone, > well it has been 4 months since my ep and we are going to be ttc again i have been taking my clomid and i have my u/s tommrow then i find out wether i can take the hcg trigger shot on friday my iui will be on either sat or sunday depending on what the follies look like on the u/s. Sorry i haven't been responding to emails much but i just kinda took a break from everthing. > j > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Don't know the doctor, but have experience with Marilyn Neault and she is great. snowpeas87 wrote: Hi there. I have been part of the group for quite a while, but haven't posted much. I am very interested in the recent postings regarding Boston Children's Hospital. We live in Maine and my son Ben is 9 yrs., and we are taking him to Boston Children's next month for a CI evaluation. We are seeing alot of people (two days of evaluations/testings - hearing tests, speech/language testing/congnitive tests, CT scans/MRIs, etc.). The surgeon we are seeing is Dr. Greg Licamelli and the audiologist is Dr. Marilyn Nault (Director of Audiology). Does anyone have any experience with either of these doctors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 We see Marilyn Neault for audiology. She's a gem. -Daphne mom to (hoh) & Leo (normally hearing) > (unknown) > > > Hi there. I have been part of the group for quite a while, but > haven't posted much. I am very interested in the recent postings > regarding Boston Children's Hospital. We live in Maine and my son > Ben is 9 yrs., and we are taking him to Boston Children's next month > for a CI evaluation. We are seeing alot of people (two days of > evaluations/testings - hearing tests, speech/language > testing/congnitive tests, CT scans/MRIs, etc.). The surgeon we are > seeing is Dr. Greg Licamelli and the audiologist is Dr. Marilyn Nault > (Director of Audiology). Does anyone have any experience with either > of these doctors? > > > > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. > Each post is the intellectual property of the author and > therefore subject to copyright restrictions. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Ellen, As you will learn-- you are in the right place. You'll get lots of knowledge and support-- I'm sure just what you are looking for. Best of luck-- welcome! Paige (unknown) Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/AshermansOur Web Site: www.ashermans.freeservers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 McC, Welcome to listen-up. You have found a group of very knowledgeable parents. I'm afraid I'll ask more questions than provide answers. How long has Cameron been struggling with hearing? Does he use hearing aids? You mentioned showing us his typonogram. If you attached it, it was deleted by the list serve for security reasons. Can you tell us his loss? It seems like the sounds that really bother him may be in the same frequencies. was bothered by similar sounds when her map on her Cochlear Implant was overstimulating her auditory nerve (her loss is inner ear and different than Cameron's.) Do you have an audiogram on him yet? McM Mom to 10, 6 (n24 4/00) and 2 > diagnosed with a significant middle ear hearing loss. When he hears loud > noises he places his hands over his ears and screams. He does this to me > turning on the shower, the van heater on high, fuzzy TV, etc. I took him to > the doctor this week and a tympanogram was done. I'd like to show you guys > the results and see what you think. I'm sure you guys are experts at > reading these results! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Tahna- We are already privately providing the services she ought to be receiving, such as several hours a week with a SP, a lot of home instruction (Grandma is a teacher) and more positive socialisation through Campfire and Awana programs. If we relied on the school we really would be in trouble! We are fortunate in that our family is all very involved in Tori's education- OSPI made the observation that we are already pretty much home schooling her. District families traditionally have relocated to outlying districts to obtain appropriate services but that is not an option for us, for a variety of reasons. If we were not able to provide what we do now I would probably re- think our position on moving, but for now I would rather stay and fight. I certainly do understand why other parents relocate (again, there are so many variables at play in making that decision) and in fact I know several families that have had to do just that. As I said before, we do have a lot of local advocates on our side so we will just have to see what we can do...Thanks- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 , I wish you the best.. I'm glad you have a lot of support on your side, grandma included.... lucky.. We didn't have that... Keep us informed and try to keep a stiff upper lip.. Tahna -- Re: (unknown) Tahna- We are already privately providing the services she ought to be receiving, such as several hours a week with a SP, a lot of home instruction (Grandma is a teacher) and more positive socialisation through Campfire and Awana programs. If we relied on the school we really would be in trouble! We are fortunate in that our family is all very involved in Tori's education- OSPI made the observation that we are already pretty much home schooling her. District families traditionally have relocated to outlying districts to obtain appropriate services but that is not an option for us, for a variety of reasons. If we were not able to provide what we do now I would probably re- think our position on moving, but for now I would rather stay and fight. I certainly do understand why other parents relocate (again, there are so many variables at play in making that decision) and in fact I know several families that have had to do just that. As I said before, we do have a lot of local advocates on our side so we will just have to see what we can do...Thanks- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hey Pepper, wtg with' POSITIVE ATTITUDE ' !!!!! That's what we all need every day! This is going to be a great week for the Sassie Lassies!!!! Sending you lots of LOVE and a world of ((((((HUGS))))). K a sassie lassie that's started the Choice Is MINE 28 day food plan and keeping a food journal too!!!!YEAH we doing it this time 'round. YAHOOOO for us all!!!! > >Reply-To: TexasTOPS >To: Tops Group <texastops >, Helen , >Jeanette , K >, aggie shuler , Teri > >Subject: (unknown) >Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:58:58 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello teammates and all my TexasTOPS pals, Well it is a pretty day outside >today, my trailor is getting moved, I feel relatively good and I am about >to head over to my daughter's house to watch the grandkids . I expect I >will get in a lot of exercise today AND >JANET, I got my positive attitude back again and looking on the bright side >again!!! >It would be so great if I fgelt like this just about everyday, BUT, at >least I do have some good days!!! (see theres that positive attitude >working already) LOL >I hope everyone has a great week and a great weigh in this week. >Yeam members lets get those exercise shoes on and put away those >temptations and lets jump into that 1st place slot this week. >I might have missed some emials, SO, are there any extra challenges this >week? >Love ya Pepper > > >--------------------------------- >Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it >out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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