Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 I think it is wise to remember that similar results may originate from different causes. Perhaps a some BPD is caused by a form of epilepsy and some caused by a really bad childhood damaging the way the brain works. Also, it is hard to separate cause and effect when a group of people exhibits non-typical brain activity. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Do people with BPD show differences in brain scans because the BPD was caused by differences in their brains or are the differences in brain activity caused by years of BPD behavior and thinking? It has been shown that activities and types of learning can cause changes in the brain that are visible in some types of testing. I'm still convinced that it is a combination of genetics and environmental factors like abuse that lead to BPD. At 09:37 PM 08/11/2010 climberkayak wrote: >Interesting though I retain some skepticism. At least in my >nada's case there are some identifiable factors that could have >warped her development early on. So that leads me to >skepticism that she was just born with some brain >abnormality. OTOH, I know there are a few KO's on this board >though whose nada's had normal childhoods. > >I have seen instances where she truly has trouble with >understanding cause and effect and assigning value to things in >a way that seems to be organic and not emotionally >motivated. I've long struggled with how much of the hurtful >things she does come from a place of inability/incapability or >from deliberate choices. It seems to be a mix of both. > >Thanks for posting the link GS - food for thought. Oh and I >meant to say this earlier - welcome back! > > -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 I think it is wise to remember that similar results may originate from different causes. Perhaps a some BPD is caused by a form of epilepsy and some caused by a really bad childhood damaging the way the brain works. Also, it is hard to separate cause and effect when a group of people exhibits non-typical brain activity. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Do people with BPD show differences in brain scans because the BPD was caused by differences in their brains or are the differences in brain activity caused by years of BPD behavior and thinking? It has been shown that activities and types of learning can cause changes in the brain that are visible in some types of testing. I'm still convinced that it is a combination of genetics and environmental factors like abuse that lead to BPD. At 09:37 PM 08/11/2010 climberkayak wrote: >Interesting though I retain some skepticism. At least in my >nada's case there are some identifiable factors that could have >warped her development early on. So that leads me to >skepticism that she was just born with some brain >abnormality. OTOH, I know there are a few KO's on this board >though whose nada's had normal childhoods. > >I have seen instances where she truly has trouble with >understanding cause and effect and assigning value to things in >a way that seems to be organic and not emotionally >motivated. I've long struggled with how much of the hurtful >things she does come from a place of inability/incapability or >from deliberate choices. It seems to be a mix of both. > >Thanks for posting the link GS - food for thought. Oh and I >meant to say this earlier - welcome back! > > -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 I've been on epilepsy drugs many times for migranes. . . makes me wonder if its related. . . > > > At 07:51 PM 08/11/2010 Girlscout Cowboy wrote: > >Anybody heard of this guy? Epilepsy? Sounds like a scam to me. > >http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/08/prweb4361144.htm > > Interesting. There's not much information there, but I think > there could be something to the idea that epilepsy and BPD have > some connection or similarity. Maybe four years ago my nada went > to a neurologist because she was being more forgetful than > usual, or so she claimed. (She's always claimed to be forgetful, > often when it was convenient for her not to remember.) She got > assorted tests done, was diagnosed with misfiring in one area of > her brain, and was given epilepsy medicine to deal with it. That > was about the time she started treating me considerably better. > I've never been sure that there was any connection, but I've > wondered about that possibility. > > -- > Katrina > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 for those of you unfamiliar with epilepsy..it is a very complicated condition. My malamutes has it...he didnt start with seizures until he was 6 1/2 years old!! Medication is not controlling it very well. So if you're thinking of BPD as like epilepsy, dont think popping a pill will " cure " them, it wont...there are also " triggers " that set of seizures....could be food, could be event..and what was it that started it all in the first place ?? Things that didnt cause a seizure 2 years ago, now do... If he was born like this, wouldnt he have shown signs before middle age ? Jackie > > This Dr's first book has been on the NIMH recommended reading list for > psychiatrists since 1992. Dr. Heller is one of the psychiatrist- > researchers who thinks that personality disorder, particularly borderline > pd, is mostly due to an organic, physical brain dysfunction (the way that > epilepsy is an organic brain dysfunction) and as such bpd needs to be > treated as a medical condition, using appropriate medications as well as > talk therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 for those of you unfamiliar with epilepsy..it is a very complicated condition. My malamutes has it...he didnt start with seizures until he was 6 1/2 years old!! Medication is not controlling it very well. So if you're thinking of BPD as like epilepsy, dont think popping a pill will " cure " them, it wont...there are also " triggers " that set of seizures....could be food, could be event..and what was it that started it all in the first place ?? Things that didnt cause a seizure 2 years ago, now do... If he was born like this, wouldnt he have shown signs before middle age ? Jackie > > This Dr's first book has been on the NIMH recommended reading list for > psychiatrists since 1992. Dr. Heller is one of the psychiatrist- > researchers who thinks that personality disorder, particularly borderline > pd, is mostly due to an organic, physical brain dysfunction (the way that > epilepsy is an organic brain dysfunction) and as such bpd needs to be > treated as a medical condition, using appropriate medications as well as > talk therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 I think (or I should say, my interpretation) is that Heller probably means that personality disorder is as complicated an organic brain dysfunction as epilepsy. Its not just a thought disorder, its at least in part due to faulty brain wiring or chemistry. -Annie > > for those of you unfamiliar with epilepsy..it is a very complicated > condition. My malamutes has it...he didnt start with seizures until he was > 6 1/2 years old!! Medication is not controlling it very well. So if you're > thinking of BPD as like epilepsy, dont think popping a pill will " cure " > them, it wont...there are also " triggers " that set of seizures....could be > food, could be event..and what was it that started it all in the first > place ?? Things that didnt cause a seizure 2 years ago, now do... If he > was born like this, wouldnt he have shown signs before middle age ? > > > Jackie > > > > > This Dr's first book has been on the NIMH recommended reading list for > > psychiatrists since 1992. Dr. Heller is one of the psychiatrist- > > researchers who thinks that personality disorder, particularly borderline > > pd, is mostly due to an organic, physical brain dysfunction (the way that > > epilepsy is an organic brain dysfunction) and as such bpd needs to be > > treated as a medical condition, using appropriate medications as well as > > talk therapy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 thanks annie, for this reasoned and sensible post, while i am not a researcher i too am interested and what you say makes sense to me. Â the science of the brain is a very young one but full of promise i believe. Â ann Subject: Re: New research To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 8:26 PM Â Hi. Yes, I've heard of this fellow. No, I don't think his theory is a scam. This Dr's first book has been on the NIMH recommended reading list for psychiatrists since 1992. Dr. Heller is one of the psychiatrist- researchers who thinks that personality disorder, particularly borderline pd, is mostly due to an organic, physical brain dysfunction (the way that epilepsy is an organic brain dysfunction) and as such bpd needs to be treated as a medical condition, using appropriate medications as well as talk therapy. Another who shares this view of borderline pd is Dr. Markovitz, M.D. Ph.D. His Ph.D. is in biochemistry, plus he is a Postdoctoral Fellow in Neuropharmacology as well as a psychiatrist and researcher. This organic/structural/neural/biochemical line of research and theorizing makes sense to me; it just seems logical to me that there's something organically wrong with a brain that rockets from No Rage to Extreme Rage in less than 4 seconds (no rheostat; no emotional regulation), has extremely rapid mood swings (even more than bi-polar disorder) operates using a " negative cognitive filter " (difficulty with interpreting normal interpersonal cues, such as facial expressions) and finds relief in self-mutilation. I personally believe that the greatest hope for better treatment, earlier and more accurate diagnosis, and possibly even a cure or prevention of personality disorders will eventually be found in the hard sciences: brain studies, neuro-chemistry, genetic research, gene therapy, 3-D real-time MRI brain imaging, etc. At this point in time, research that tends toward concluding that some mental illnesses and personality disorders are due to physical, organic brain wiring or chemistry problems, or are possibly due to inherited factors at the extreme ends of the spectrum, are politically incorrect. (Temperamental traits such as " reactivity " are present at birth. Some infants are more sensitive or reactive to noise, pain, or pleasure and other infants are less reactive or sensitive to these stimuli.) I have never understood why that line of research should be politically incorrect, because it seems to me that if there is an organic, chemical or genetic cause discovered for a disease or disorder, there is more likely to be an organic, chemical or genetic cure that can be discovered also. Anyway, thanks for posting the link. I am interested in reading about any research studies pertaining to brain function in relation to pds and mental illness. I tried to locate the source of the following article that I believe has been posted here earlier, and I wanted to credit the original poster, so please speak up, whoever you are. But this study interests me because it theorizes that the basic personality is pretty much set for life by age 6. It makes me feel even more strongly that its important for children to have steady, reliable, calm, emotionally regulated, loving, empathetic parenting in the early, most vulnerable and formative years: http://www.livescience.com/culture/children-personality-adults-100804.html -Annie > > Anybody heard of this guy? Epilepsy? Sounds like a scam to me. > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/08/prweb4361144.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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