OT: wheat and dairy link to /kings (long)

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>>>> that's BULL!!! opium effect has been proven.

Please do not get overly emotional about this topic. I do understand

that some people see their 'special diet' as a sacred topic and are

very protective and defensive about it, and want everyone to see it

their way. So I specifically wasn't even going to debate that point

and said that since the 'opiate problem' is your chosen belief

system, just start there and, in that framework, answer the two

questions - which I did not see answers to. So if you would like to

answer those, I am still interested in hearing.

The 'opiate theory' is not universally proven although some people

may feel it is proven enough for them...and some don't care about

proof at all. I would also like to see the video because it is really

interesting to find a video documenting actual food breakdown in gut,

the appropriate peptides created, actually traveling to a receptor

site and activating a receptor to produce the exact reaction that

something like morphine would. Or is this not what the video was

about at all?

I asked Shattock about the whole opiate measurements while he

was in a group discussing this. He said about 25% of anyone would

register elevated levels of peptides. So any 1 out of 4 people on

planet will have such a test result. That gives an idea of the

context for these tests. The autism-gastro at Harvard didn't seem to

put much stock in the opiate connection at all either with the main

criticism that there are many things in autism without baselines or

controls. And there are lots and lots of people (even GFCF

specialists in autism) that don't believe that is the problem either,

but you would need to take it up with them what they do think is the

problem.

And of course, there are the studies showing the opiate isn't the

problem as well as other studies showing measurements of the problem.

So we could post abstracts on either side. And as is customary in

autism circles as soon as a study is mentioned that doesn't agree

with your pre-determined view, one cries " It's FLAWED!!! " so it can

be discounted out of hand.

Believing in the opiate theory is fine if it suits you, and for a

small subgroup, it might be true....maybe one day we will all know

for sure. Or we maybe pick out the few persons it is true for and

those it is not true for. And if you believe that is happening to

your child, that is fine with me. It is not what happens at my house.

And if the GFCF diet is working for you...GREAT! you have your

solution and option. But other people need more or different choices,

and those are wonderful too. I am sure that each of us feels strongly

about whatever is helping OUR particular child (or ourselves

personally).

There is plenty of room for more than one 'correct' answer because we

are all different and autism spectrum is more than one thing.

There is also more than one reaction that is possible with food. So

someone may be having a reaction and needs to avoid a certain food,

but it is not an opiate reaction at all (as Marti mentioned). If the

intestines are injured or not functioning well, it could simply be

lactose intolerance. Or a histamine reaction. Or poor carb digestion,

or preservatives used in dairy products...This link goes to a list of

possibilites. If you know of more, I will add them:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/discussiondairy.htm

But let's assume the premise of an opiate-to-the-brain problem,

because that is the framework you want to discuss things in. What is

the REAL problem? The problem is that two proteins (derived from

partial breakdown of the proteins casein and some types of gluten)

are insufficiently broken down. They are not digested fully and just

happen to be in the intestines in this partially broken-down state

and get into the body/bloodstream. The real problem is that the

proteins and not thoroughly broken down in the intestines. Either

because of poor digestion or an injured/leaky gut which allows them

into the body when it should be screening them out.

So the problem is not inherently with the dairy or wheat foods. The

problem is one of digestion. One solution is to remove dairy and

grain foods in an attempt to remove the source of the proteins.

However, this is nearly impossible to do and doesn't account for any

other sources (soy, other foods, bacteria or blood breakdown). AND if

digestion is impaired, or the gut is leaky, then anything else you

eat could also be a problem.

Another strategy is to take digestive enzymes so the food is

sufficiently broken down in the stomach before it even enters the

intestines and becomes a candidate for erroneous absorption. This

would also deal with any other food that could generate the suspect

peptides as well as breakdown all foods at once....so any other food

eaten also avoids becoming a problem. These are the general ideas

which may or may not 'work' for any particular person.

In addition, because enzymes can get into the system and are breaking

things down, they are far more likely to also get any peptides from

bacteria sources, blood sources, and even things getting into the

system after absorption. Plus, enzymes can help support the immune

system, fight pathogens, pro-actively heal tissue, and other cool

odds and ends. Food eliminations do not necessarily do these other

things at all. So enzymes work on a multitude of things at the same

time.

We could go on and on on these points all day and my intent is not to

convince you that you are wrong and should do something else. At the

end of the day we each will do what is actually working best for us

in real life, which may very well be a combination of things.

Which enzymes product(s) have you used? This makes a huge difference

as enzyme blends work on different things.

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