Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

[Guest guest]

My mom was on Atkins a long time ago and she lost a lot of weight

and she said everything is very similar to south beach the only

difference was the portion sizes. I don't see anything about phase 2

that includes rice. I don't like rice though so it doesn't matter

lol. I've added up the carbs from phase 1 and phase 2 and they are

significantly lower than we are supposed to have. People are

supposed to have 130 grams of carbs per day. Obviously we are

significantly lower on both phases. Ketosis...that doesn't sound

like a healthy word. I was just curious about it all because it

really seems low carb.

> Low carb diets, at least at the outset, seek to actually reduce

daily

> carbohydrate intakes to well below normal levels. The idea is to

force the

> body into ketosis, causing it to burn protein for fuel rather than

> carbohydrates, and use fat stores.

>

> Atkins as it is today is no longer what it once was -- in fact,

they're now

> looking at becoming more of a low GI diet (go figure). However,

even on

> Atkins, there are many foods permitted that were traditionally

viewed as

> being off-limits to low carb diets. Some of the former Atkins

folks can

> give you more information on this -- it's been a while since I

studied up on

> it (I need to get another copy of the book).

>

> The South Beach Diet DOES start off low carb -- that's in Phase

1. However,

> it doesn't take long to return carbs to normal levels in phase 2.

In

> theory, you could also take in normal / close-to-normal levels of

carbs in

> phase 1 I suppose but I doubt that would be the typical way of

doing it.

> Even with its lower-carb phase 1, it isn't so low carb as to be

comparable

> with Atkins or other low carb regimens.

>

> With traditional low carb, you do not eat grain products at all.

You also

> do not eat rice or potatoes. That's not the case with SBD --

these items

> are added back in during phase 2 (well, potatoes aren't really but

you get

> the drift).

>

> Those are just a few of the differences. There are many

similarities of

> course, but the differences are what makes...well, the

difference!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My mom was on Atkins a long time ago and she lost a lot of

> weight and she said everything is very similar to south beach

> the only difference was the portion sizes. I don't see

> anything about phase 2 that includes rice. I don't like rice

> though so it doesn't matter lol. I've added up the carbs from

> phase 1 and phase 2 and they are significantly lower than we

> are supposed to have. People are supposed to have 130 grams

> of carbs per day. Obviously we are significantly lower on

> both phases. Ketosis...that doesn't sound like a healthy

> word. I was just curious about it all because it really seems

> low carb.

FWIW, it's kinda tough to really add up the carbs without knowing portions.

The powers that be are real good at tossing out numbers for what we need as

minimums, however, there are millions of people (if not billions) who do not

adhere to those numbers and they manage to survive just fine.

There are days I get less than 100g of carbs and there are days I get 200g

or more. It just depends on what I'm eating. The object is to get balanced

nutrition and eat enough to satisfy your body's needs -- that doesn't

necessarily equate to some magic number though.

We're all a little different in our eating habits and needs. You just need

to find the " sweet spot " (pardon the pun) for you.

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with . I

get so discouraged when I step on that scale. I will only do it once a

week if then. KATHY

roger80465 wrote:

<snip> I'm just in a panic because if I continue to gain weight I

don't know what I'll do.

You just hit it on the head - you are in a panic. Time to

rethehellax! This is a way of eating, a lifestyle. The whole idea

here is to eat healthier and, as a result, lose some weight. If you

slip during brain surgery, it is reason to panic. Not having weight

drop off like an avalanche is not!

I advise all of us who are worried about "blowing it" or not losing

fast enough to follow my daughter's approach. A few days ago she

stepped on the scale and it read 275 lbs (she's maybe 130). She

thought it needed new batteries so she replaced them. Then it said

she weighed 310. So she stepped off thinking it needed to reset

itself. She got on again and it said 475. She then picked it up,

took it to the garage and beat the hell out of it with her son's

baseball bat. Her neighbor saw what was happening and came to ask if

everything was alright. She simply replied 'I had to kill my scale -

it lied to me' That is the attitude to follow.

, take your scale to the garage and beat the hell out of it. If

your clothes feel looser, you are winning. If your feet or legs are

not as tired at the end of the day, you are winning. If you simply

feel better after a week or so, you are winning. That is what this is

all about. The weight loss is a side benefit.

None of us put all the weight on in a couple weeks, we cannot expect

to lose it in a short time. Rethehellax! Life will get better.

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I was on Atkins and really low carb for months. I lost weight, and never felt better. All my blood work was excellent. I think people are all different and some people need Atkins cuz they are so carb sensitive. I think people do forget to add carbs back in slowly, just like we do in phase two. Carol

RE: Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

> My mom was on Atkins a long time ago and she lost a lot of > weight and she said everything is very similar to south beach > the only difference was the portion sizes. I don't see > anything about phase 2 that includes rice. I don't like rice > though so it doesn't matter lol. I've added up the carbs from > phase 1 and phase 2 and they are significantly lower than we > are supposed to have. People are supposed to have 130 grams > of carbs per day. Obviously we are significantly lower on > both phases. Ketosis...that doesn't sound like a healthy > word. I was just curious about it all because it really seems > low carb.FWIW, it's kinda tough to really add up the carbs without knowing portions.The powers that be are real good at tossing out numbers for what we need asminimums, however, there are millions of people (if not billions) who do notadhere to those numbers and they manage to survive just fine.There are days I get less than 100g of carbs and there are days I get 200gor more. It just depends on what I'm eating. The object is to get balancednutrition and eat enough to satisfy your body's needs -- that doesn'tnecessarily equate to some magic number though.We're all a little different in our eating habits and needs. You just needto find the "sweet spot" (pardon the pun) for you. :)Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this Way Of Eating please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

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[Guest guest]

I always have the portion size labeled either on the package or

what's in the book and figure it out that way. My sweet spot is an

extra large pizza from Papa s with extra extra garlic sauce lol.

Preferably the Tower. lol.

>

> FWIW, it's kinda tough to really add up the carbs without knowing

portions.

> The powers that be are real good at tossing out numbers for what

we need as

> minimums, however, there are millions of people (if not billions)

who do not

> adhere to those numbers and they manage to survive just fine.

>

> There are days I get less than 100g of carbs and there are days I

get 200g

> or more. It just depends on what I'm eating. The object is to

get balanced

> nutrition and eat enough to satisfy your body's needs -- that

doesn't

> necessarily equate to some magic number though.

>

> We're all a little different in our eating habits and needs. You

just need

> to find the " sweet spot " (pardon the pun) for you.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also make sure you are eating enough. If you let your body get too low in calories, your body will think it is starving and it will hold onto every fat cell and won't let them go (starvation mode). You shouldn't ever go below 1200 calories. Carol

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

I always have the portion size labeled either on the package or what's in the book and figure it out that way. My sweet spot is an extra large pizza from Papa s with extra extra garlic sauce lol. Preferably the Tower. lol.

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I agree with this. Hardly anyone loses like that. I've been on plan for a year and a half and I plateaued for 6 months, and I've lost 74 pounds. Sometimes I can lose 4 -5 pounds but lots of times I don't lose any and I exercise quite a bit. But to each their own. Carol

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I think you're giving false hope, . How many women here have been steadily losing 5 to 6 pounds a week?? 1/2 to 2 pounds, with some plateaus, is more like it. ann

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I agree with this. Hardly anyone loses like that. I've been on plan for a year and a half and I plateaued for 6 months, and I've lost 74 pounds. Sometimes I can lose 4 -5 pounds but lots of times I don't lose any and I exercise quite a bit. But to each their own. Carol

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

I think you're giving false hope, . How many women here have been steadily losing 5 to 6 pounds a week?? 1/2 to 2 pounds, with some plateaus, is more like it. ann

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Wow that's amazing that you lost that much weight. Congratulations!

You are definitely a strong willed woman. You did all of this with

south beach? WOW.

> I agree with this. Hardly anyone loses like that. I've been on plan

for a year and a half and I plateaued for 6 months, and I've lost 74

pounds. Sometimes I can lose 4 -5 pounds but lots of times I don't

lose any and I exercise quite a bit. But to each their own. Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Wow that's amazing that you lost that much weight. Congratulations!

You are definitely a strong willed woman. You did all of this with

south beach? WOW.

> I agree with this. Hardly anyone loses like that. I've been on plan

for a year and a half and I plateaued for 6 months, and I've lost 74

pounds. Sometimes I can lose 4 -5 pounds but lots of times I don't

lose any and I exercise quite a bit. But to each their own. Carol

>

[Guest guest]

I've come too far to give up. I refuse. And even if I never lose another pound I am SO MUCH more healthy, have a lot of energy and stamina, can do exercise videos I never thought I could before, and I know if I never lose another pound (and I will cuz I'm not giving up) I cannot gain back what I have already lost. I've worked too hard to get this far. At first it came off pretty fast, then slowed down a LOT, then after I had lost 50 pounds, it all stopped for 6 months, up and down the same five pounds, I was ready to cut off a limb just to see the scale say something else. Then I started to learn a little more about food balance and portion size through but still eat only South Beach foods. I believe in them. My doctor told me to stay at around 1200-1300 calories. I work at home so anything more than that is too much for my metabolism, or lack of. I also write to sometimes and that helps keep me motivated, cuz he writes back with very encouraging mail. It has taken a lot of time to figure out what is good for my body. I am REALLY good at maintaining I have to say. I did learn that well. We have to learn what is right for our own bodies. It's really hard cuz our bodies dont just speak out and tell us what they want. We have to find out for ourselves by trial and error. Think of phase II as a science experiment. I think the longer it takes us the longer we will be able to keep it off. I think the emphasis should also be about health first. I am doing this under my doctor's care. She helps me when I get stuck or frustrated. She encourages me and tells me what else I can try. I highly recommend seeking your doctor's permission and letting them know exactly what you are doing. Mine knows what I eat, what kind of exercise I do, what vitamins I take and anything else having to do with my health.

For those that need encouragement, this is what wrote me yesterday after I updated him on how I am doing.

Dear Sweet Carol:It was so good to hear from you. Wow 74 pounds down. How fantastic is that? Don't worry you will break your plateau. And how will you break it not by eating less but by eating more. So you just keep moving and grooving and keep focusing on your goals. Wow you write children's book how fantastic is that? I know the kids will love what you have to say and I hope it is a big success. I am glad I have been there to motivate you. I have to tell you how proud I am that you are going the distance. Before you know it you will be under 200 pounds. Well, please keep doing what you are doing. Keep in touch and good luck writing your second book.Love

This kind of stuff really keeps me motivated to keep on going.

Remember to take care of your health first! No one cares what size you are if you are lying in a coffin. Carol

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

Wow that's amazing that you lost that much weight. Congratulations! You are definitely a strong willed woman. You did all of this with south beach? WOW.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carol...

You do realize most people would have given up after

a month or two of hitting a plateau? One of the main

reasons most people give up on a diet unfortunately..

However

Consider yourself a rare person that hung in there

until such time as you discovered that you needed to

count your calories to succeed with any further weight

loss.. and you did a combination of things that proved

to be very beneficial to you..

There are people on SB that also unfortunately put

weight back on.. It is not because they lost at the

rate of 5 pounds per week but rather because they

returned to their old way of eating..

--- r_katman1 wrote:

>

>

> > Losing weight is not going to be easy, it never

> is. And if you

> > lose it too fast, it will just come right back on.

> <...snip some good advice...>

> > I was plateaued for 6 months and I have a LOT more

> to lose than

> > you, but I stuck with it and started to lose

> again.

>

> Way to go, Carol! You're an inspiration.

>

> > The exercise will definately help. I can't lose

> without at all

> > without it. I have 18 of 's videos. I

> really like his

> > toning tapes and they have made a big difference

> in my figure.

> > Try to do more than one kind of exercise cuz your

> body gets

> > used to doing the same thing.

> >

>

> And walking. There's always walking. Walking is good

> exercise.

>

> Bob (who finds exercise essential to weight loss and

> general well being)

>

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Expect your body fat level to also go down as you lose

weight..

My sweeties fat level went down from 21 percent of his

body weight being fat to now just 14 percent...

--- wrote:

>

> I thought it was your body fat percentage or

> something. Thanks for

> clearing that up.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi ..

> > > >

> > > > Am not sure what you weigh now but a 50 pound

> > > weight

> > > > loss over 3 months time sounds reasonable to

> my

> > > ears.

> > > >

> > > > That would equal out to about 4 plus pounds a

> > > week..

> > > >

> > > > As far as loss of muscle goes you would have

> to

> > > work

> > > > to build some.. What you often see in very

> > > overweight

> > > > people is that they do not have a lot of

> muscle..

> > > that

> > > > is due in a large part to a sedentary

> lifestyle..

> > > >

> > > > Their weight prohibits them from even walking

> very

> > > > far.. As the weight decreases they will be

> able to

> > > > walk further and experience less shortness of

> > > breath..

> > > > They will in fact develop more muscle tone and

> > > nice

> > > > lean muscle... and if you had a set of

> calipers or

> > > a

> > > > scale that measures body fat you could well

> see

> > > this

> > > > occuring..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

You are doing fabulous.. with losing the 23 pounds..

Glad to hear you are working out as well... try

increasing your time a little by a minute or two a

day... The nordic track is great for keeping legs

nicely toned and giving you a nice bubble butt...

Enjoy the cross country skiing..

--- wrote:

>

> I lost 23 pounds so far on the south beach diet.

> That was without

> exercise. Today I included 10 minutes of exercise on

> a nordic track

> leg shaper machine thingy. I'm not sure what it's

> called but it's

> pretty cool and I broke a sweat. I also lost 4.5 off

> of my bmi and 5

> inches off my waist. I started out at 190 and i'm

> now 167.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > --- , I hate to rain on your parade

> with

> > > > shorts weather

> > > > coming,

> > > > > but that cannot happen. 44 pounds can NOT be

> lost

> > > > in 4 weeks or 6

> > > > > weeks or 8 week or...on and on and on.

> > > > > Its not fair to your body to set

> yourself up

> > > > for that type of

> > > > > dissapointment. 1/2 to 2 pounds a wk is all

> the

> > > > FAT @3500 CALORIES

> > > > PER

> > > > > POUND, your body can burn, it just can't

> happen

> > > > any faster without

> > > > > using muscle tissue.

> > > > > Any time you see on TV that the

> 'contestants'

> > > > have lost alot of

> > > > > weight is when they spend SEVERAL hours a

> day in a

> > > > gym, working

> > > > out w/

> > > > > professional trainers that work them to

> within an

> > > > inch of their

> > > > lives,

> > > > > they are fed strict diets made for them by

> > > > Dietitians, and are

> > > > under a

> > > > > doctors supervision at all times. Then its

> NEVER

> > > > the girls who lose

> > > > > that drastically, we are just not

> genetically made

> > > > to drop that

> > > > kind

> > > > > of weight, baby carrying creatures that we

> are.

> > > > Our hormones will

> > > > not

> > > > > allow it.

> > > > > Please try to get into the 'slow and

> steady

> > > > wins the race'

> > > > > mindset that we all try to adopt as healthy.

>

> > > > > Kay

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > D

> > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll increase it when I get used to 10 minutes first because that

about killed me. Then I'll increase by 5 minutes. Or I might even

just tighten everything up and try that for 10 minutes. Not sure

yet. I'm not going to do it daily though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- , I hate to rain on your parade

> > with

> > > > > shorts weather

> > > > > coming,

> > > > > > but that cannot happen. 44 pounds can NOT be

> > lost

> > > > > in 4 weeks or 6

> > > > > > weeks or 8 week or...on and on and on.

> > > > > > Its not fair to your body to set

> > yourself up

> > > > > for that type of

> > > > > > dissapointment. 1/2 to 2 pounds a wk is all

> > the

> > > > > FAT @3500 CALORIES

> > > > > PER

> > > > > > POUND, your body can burn, it just can't

> > happen

> > > > > any faster without

> > > > > > using muscle tissue.

> > > > > > Any time you see on TV that the

> > 'contestants'

> > > > > have lost alot of

> > > > > > weight is when they spend SEVERAL hours a

> > day in a

> > > > > gym, working

> > > > > out w/

> > > > > > professional trainers that work them to

> > within an

> > > > > inch of their

> > > > > lives,

> > > > > > they are fed strict diets made for them by

> > > > > Dietitians, and are

> > > > > under a

> > > > > > doctors supervision at all times. Then its

> > NEVER

> > > > > the girls who lose

> > > > > > that drastically, we are just not

> > genetically made

> > > > > to drop that

> > > > > kind

> > > > > > of weight, baby carrying creatures that we

> > are.

> > > > > Our hormones will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > allow it.

> > > > > > Please try to get into the 'slow and

> > steady

> > > > > wins the race'

> > > > > > mindset that we all try to adopt as healthy.

> >

> > > > > > Kay

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > D

> > > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> > Weight

> > > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Okay stick with what you are doing then for awhile and

do not increase it all.. until you are very

comfortable with the 10 minutes...

You may find you need a massage as well if your

muscles get sore so do things very slowly at first..

Good luck to you

--- wrote:

>

> I'll increase it when I get used to 10 minutes first

> because that

> about killed me. Then I'll increase by 5 minutes. Or

> I might even

> just tighten everything up and try that for 10

> minutes. Not sure

> yet. I'm not going to do it daily though.

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- , I hate to rain on your

> parade

> > > with

> > > > > > shorts weather

> > > > > > coming,

> > > > > > > but that cannot happen. 44 pounds can

> NOT be

> > > lost

> > > > > > in 4 weeks or 6

> > > > > > > weeks or 8 week or...on and on and on.

> > > > > > > Its not fair to your body to set

> > > yourself up

> > > > > > for that type of

> > > > > > > dissapointment. 1/2 to 2 pounds a wk is

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > FAT @3500 CALORIES

> > > > > > PER

> > > > > > > POUND, your body can burn, it just can't

> > > happen

> > > > > > any faster without

> > > > > > > using muscle tissue.

> > > > > > > Any time you see on TV that the

> > > 'contestants'

> > > > > > have lost alot of

> > > > > > > weight is when they spend SEVERAL hours

> a

> > > day in a

> > > > > > gym, working

> > > > > > out w/

> > > > > > > professional trainers that work them to

> > > within an

> > > > > > inch of their

> > > > > > lives,

> > > > > > > they are fed strict diets made for them

> by

> > > > > > Dietitians, and are

> > > > > > under a

> > > > > > > doctors supervision at all times. Then

> its

> > > NEVER

> > > > > > the girls who lose

> > > > > > > that drastically, we are just not

> > > genetically made

> > > > > > to drop that

> > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > of weight, baby carrying creatures that

> we

> > > are.

> > > > > > Our hormones will

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > allow it.

> > > > > > > Please try to get into the 'slow

> and

> > > steady

> > > > > > wins the race'

> > > > > > > mindset that we all try to adopt as

> healthy.

> > >

> > > > > > > Kay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > D

> > > > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment

> for

> > > Weight

> > > > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Heh, well I ran in a snow storm (once). It's not as dumb as it seems.

It wasn't snowing when I started out. And the snow was light and

drifting so my footing was stable. So I wasn't going to stop. I guess

I'm just very stubborn :-) And I guess I'm lucky--my neighborhood is safe.

But my point about mentioning walking was that there are lots of ways

to exercise--walking, running, biking, workout tapes, gardening, etc.

Whatever works for you (generic you). I think it's important to

exercise on a regular schedule because you'll see improvement from on

workout to the next, but some people are more able than others (and

likely most of us should check with our doctors before embarking on a

new exercise program). I haven't reached my fitness goals yet, but I'm

working on it.

Bob

> Thank you. Admittedly, I don't walk outside much cuz I can't stand

my neighbors. They watch me and then have to ask me questions like who

was over and things. They used to bring me my mail every day. Handing

it to me, " And you got the gas bill, a check, junk mail, and I don't

know what this is. " GRRRRRR Til I had a cow, then they stopped. I

sometimes go up to the park and walk the track, or the beach and walk

back and forth. I also like to go shoot baskets or play baseball with

the kids or frizbee. But it is only just getting warm here. 55 degrees

today. Snowed 12 inches or something this weekend. So for the most

part, I exercise inside to a lot of videos. And I get so bored just

walking. I know that sounds bad. Just seems like every minute goes by

like 2 hours. lol I'm so strange. Carol