Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

[Guest guest]

Hi ..

I hope you just added in the fruit and nothing else..

Go really slowly adding a fruit or two a day like an

apple.. This should NOT cause you to lose weight..

Ignore the rest of the food on Phase 2 for a bit and

introduce things very slowly... Have a piece of high

fiber flat bread as well..

Much luck

--- wrote:

>

> Well that's great! I have a question for you since

> you seem to be in

> the know about this diet. I am on my 3rd day of the

> second phase and

> I've noticed that I have gained a pound for the

> first time. Is this

> common at the beginning of the first day. I am

> eating nuts for snack

> do you think maybe I should cut those out or what?

> I'm going nuts over

> here. I'm becoming more and more bloated since I

> started this second

> phase. Help me!

>

>

> > > Have you tried that oxygen mask? That's what my

> mom does

> > > every night. It's helping her a lot and she can

> actually get

> > > a full night's sleep. Maybe you should look into

> that.

> >

> > My apnea is nowhere near bad enough to require

> oxygen, thankfully.

> CPAP is

> > adequate. (CPAP does have a mask and such.)

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Right now I've noticed I have gained 3 pounds.

> > Well that's great! I have a question for you since you seem

> > to be in the know about this diet. I am on my 3rd day of the

> > second phase and I've noticed that I have gained a pound for

> > the first time. Is this common at the beginning of the first

> > day. I am eating nuts for snack do you think maybe I should

> > cut those out or what? I'm going nuts over here. I'm becoming

> > more and more bloated since I started this second phase. Help me!

>

> What have you added back for P2?

[Guest guest]

I eat exactly what the book says to eat. I'm on day 4 of phase 2

right now. SO i really don't understand it. So everything is

introduced slowly. If I continue to gain I don't know what I " m going

to do.

> > > > Have you tried that oxygen mask? That's what my

> > mom does

> > > > every night. It's helping her a lot and she can

> > actually get

> > > > a full night's sleep. Maybe you should look into

> > that.

> > >

> > > My apnea is nowhere near bad enough to require

> > oxygen, thankfully.

> > CPAP is

> > > adequate. (CPAP does have a mask and such.)

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> D

> Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight

Loss " Bariatrics "

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately no. I can't get myself motivated to do that.

>

> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:32:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jcurry28@y... writes:

>

> eat exactly what the book says to eat. I'm on day 4 of phase 2

> right now. SO i really don't understand it. So everything is

> introduced slowly. If I continue to gain I don't know what I " m

going

> to do.

>

>

>

> are you exercising as well? Perhaps your building muscle....

>

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately no. I can't get myself motivated to do that.

>

> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:32:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jcurry28@y... writes:

>

> eat exactly what the book says to eat. I'm on day 4 of phase 2

> right now. SO i really don't understand it. So everything is

> introduced slowly. If I continue to gain I don't know what I " m

going

> to do.

>

>

>

> are you exercising as well? Perhaps your building muscle....

>

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

I like to go by the book though because it's all planned out for me

and I know what I'm going to eat. I don't like to think about it.

All I've had so far on this diet was a pear and an apple. Instead of

the yogurt I eat a mozz. cheese stick because I can't stand yogurt.

When it says for a special kind of chicken I just make grilled

chicken that has no carbs. So it really balances out to what I was

eating before I think because I'm cutting back on certain things.

When it has a special salad I just have a regular salad. I never

have a spinach salad because the spinach has too many carbs. I did

weight myself a couple hours ago and I now weight 169 which means I

only gained 2 pounds so that's a good thing. I'm just in a panic

because if I continue to gain weight I don't know what I'll do.

> What the book says is too many to add in all at once. You should

take out the phase II foods that the book says and add in one fruit

and one whole grain a day and that's it for a week or so, then add

in maybe another fruit. Add in slower than the book says. I've

noticed that most people gain weight if they add back in too quickly

and follow the book. Your body has to adjust to the added carbs.

Carol

> Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

>

>

>

> I eat exactly what the book says to eat. I'm on day 4 of phase 2

> right now. SO i really don't understand it. So everything is

> introduced slowly. If I continue to gain I don't know what I " m

going

> to do.

>

[Guest guest]

I added everything that there is in phase 2 to add. I do replace

things like I said in a previous post that you should check out so I

don't repeat myself lol. I don't just get ideas from the diet I

actually do it the way it's all set out. Read my previous post and

you'll see all that I do. So you think I should go back to phase 1?

> > > > Well that's great! I have a question for you

> > since you seem

> > > > to be in the know about this diet. I am on my

> > 3rd day of the

> > > > second phase and I've noticed that I have gained

> > a pound for

> > > > the first time. Is this common at the beginning

> > of the first

> > > > day. I am eating nuts for snack do you think

> > maybe I should

> > > > cut those out or what? I'm going nuts over here.

> > I'm becoming

> > > > more and more bloated since I started this

> > second phase. Help me!

> > >

> > > What have you added back for P2?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> D

> Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight

Loss " Bariatrics "

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I measure out everything so it can't be too much cheese. It's pretty

much the same amount as I've always eaten. I'll cut out the nuts and

see what happens with that for the next couple of days.

> > > > > > Have you tried that oxygen mask? That's what

> > my

> > > > mom does

> > > > > > every night. It's helping her a lot and she

> > can

> > > > actually get

> > > > > > a full night's sleep. Maybe you should look

> > into

> > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > My apnea is nowhere near bad enough to require

> > > > oxygen, thankfully.

> > > > CPAP is

> > > > > adequate. (CPAP does have a mask and such.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > D

> > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> > Weight

> > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

I measure out everything so it can't be too much cheese. It's pretty

much the same amount as I've always eaten. I'll cut out the nuts and

see what happens with that for the next couple of days.

> > > > > > Have you tried that oxygen mask? That's what

> > my

> > > > mom does

> > > > > > every night. It's helping her a lot and she

> > can

> > > > actually get

> > > > > > a full night's sleep. Maybe you should look

> > into

> > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > My apnea is nowhere near bad enough to require

> > > > oxygen, thankfully.

> > > > CPAP is

> > > > > adequate. (CPAP does have a mask and such.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > D

> > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> > Weight

> > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

-

Stop weighing yourself! Have your husband put the scale in the trunk of the car so you can't get to it.

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase

Right now I've noticed I have gained 3 pounds.> > Well that's great! I have a question for you since you seem > > to be in the know about this diet. I am on my 3rd day of the > > second phase and I've noticed that I have gained a pound for > > the first time. Is this common at the beginning of the first > > day. I am eating nuts for snack do you think maybe I should > > cut those out or what? I'm going nuts over here. I'm becoming > > more and more bloated since I started this second phase. Help me!> > What have you added back for P2?Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this Way Of Eating please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

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[Guest guest]

Hi ...

On entering Phase 2 you have to add new foods very

gradually.. You are not supposed to add everything all

at once right off the bat..

Try adding one or two things in very slowly.. and

monitoring your weight during this time..

Read some information with regards to transitioning to

Phase 2.. In his latest chat I read Dr A suggested to

just start with a serving or two of low glycemic

fruit..at first.. That was supposed to be for a little

while not one day... Perhaps a week or two but I am

guessing here since he mentioned no time frame from

what I could recall of that chat.. so I would give

this a week or two..

No do not think you should go back to Phase 1.. Go to

Phase 1 Plus with the added serving of a fruit or two

a day.. This is just my opinion here since it works

for most...

--- wrote:

>

> I added everything that there is in phase 2 to add.

> I do replace

> things like I said in a previous post that you

> should check out so I

> don't repeat myself lol. I don't just get ideas from

> the diet I

> actually do it the way it's all set out. Read my

> previous post and

> you'll see all that I do. So you think I should go

> back to phase 1?

>

>

> > > > > Well that's great! I have a question for you

> > > since you seem

> > > > > to be in the know about this diet. I am on

> my

> > > 3rd day of the

> > > > > second phase and I've noticed that I have

> gained

> > > a pound for

> > > > > the first time. Is this common at the

> beginning

> > > of the first

> > > > > day. I am eating nuts for snack do you think

> > > maybe I should

> > > > > cut those out or what? I'm going nuts over

> here.

> > > I'm becoming

> > > > > more and more bloated since I started this

> > > second phase. Help me!

> > > >

> > > > What have you added back for P2?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

--- , are you drinking lots of water ? Remember that water

weighs 8 ounces per cup and you can NOT keep track of Ins and Outs to

get an accurate by the hour count of weight.

Spinach is a vegetable. It is a vegetable that is incredibly

nutritious. One of the best. Green vegetables are not 'too high in

carbs' to be included in this WOE.

Kay

I never have a spinach salad because the spinach has too many carbs.

I did ... weight myself a couple hours ago and I now weight 169 which

means I only gained 2 pounds so that's a good thing. I'm just in a

panic because if I continue to gain weight I don't know what I'll do.

>

>

[Guest guest]

...

Spinach is a great food.. and you should not be

worrying yourself about the right carbs.. it is the

wrong carbs you should be avoiding..

Do not jump on the scale during the course of you day

either.. You weight will fluctuate during the course

of a day..

Once a day after your daily BM is fine.. as long as

you do not become addicted to the scale.. Otherwise

limit it to only once a week..

>

> I never have a spinach salad because the spinach

> has too many carbs.

> I did ... weight myself a couple hours ago and I now

> weight 169 which

> means I only gained 2 pounds so that's a good

> thing. I'm just in a

> panic because if I continue to gain weight I don't

> know what I'll do.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well for starters, you need to step back a bit and take a breath or two. It

is not at all uncommon for weight to fluctuate by a couple of pounds every

single day. You're weighing yourself daily so that's to be expected.

Remember -- only the weight from once a week counts and you need to pick the

best day of the week for that (I like Wednesday, myself).

Second, you need to look at what you've added back in for P2. It might be

that it's not working out for you. Slow it down a bit and do a Phase 1.5.

In P1.5, you only add back ONE (1) item per week -- a piece of fruit OR a

bowl of whole grain cereal OR a slice of bread. A piece of fruit would

probably work ok for this and it helps the body anyway. (An apple a

day....)

Almost lastly, you really should consider exercise to within the boundaries

your doctor prescribes. I know it's rough to motivate but you don't

necessarily have to join a gym, jog the neighborhood, or any of that sort of

stuff. In many cases it can be as simple as using elastic bands or doing

certain isometric exercises while watching TV. Your physician should be

able to help you come with some exercises that are not as intrusive in your

daily life and work well for any medical conditions you may suffer.

And finally, hang in there -- if you gain back a pound a or two during the

transition, don't sweat it. Remember, this isn't a weight loss plan -- it's

a Way Of Eating (WOE). Stalls and such are a part of normal life -- the

healthful eating is what is important here.

[Guest guest]

Are your calories too low? If so, your body could striving to

maintain or gain weight to compensate.

> > > > > > > Have you tried that oxygen mask? That's what

> > > my

> > > > > mom does

> > > > > > > every night. It's helping her a lot and she

> > > can

> > > > > actually get

> > > > > > > a full night's sleep. Maybe you should look

> > > into

> > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My apnea is nowhere near bad enough to require

> > > > > oxygen, thankfully.

> > > > > CPAP is

> > > > > > adequate. (CPAP does have a mask and such.)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > D

> > > > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > > > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> > > Weight

> > > Loss " Bariatrics "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You know, thinking about it, the week I gained a pound, I hadn't eaten

much that week, because my IBS was so bad. I ate a low amount of

calories, just because I was too sick feeling to eat much, and I

gained. Then, this past week, I had no IBS problems (since I cut my

fiber) and I ate a good amount each day, and I lost a pound. I think

you have a good point, that when your calories are too low, you don't

lose as well.

ann

<

>

> Are your calories too low? If so, your body could striving to

> maintain or gain weight to compensate.

>

> >

[Guest guest]

> <snip> I'm just in a panic because if I continue to gain weight I

don't know what I'll do.

>

You just hit it on the head - you are in a panic. Time to

rethehellax! This is a way of eating, a lifestyle. The whole idea

here is to eat healthier and, as a result, lose some weight. If you

slip during brain surgery, it is reason to panic. Not having weight

drop off like an avalanche is not!

I advise all of us who are worried about " blowing it " or not losing

fast enough to follow my daughter's approach. A few days ago she

stepped on the scale and it read 275 lbs (she's maybe 130). She

thought it needed new batteries so she replaced them. Then it said

she weighed 310. So she stepped off thinking it needed to reset

itself. She got on again and it said 475. She then picked it up,

took it to the garage and beat the hell out of it with her son's

baseball bat. Her neighbor saw what was happening and came to ask if

everything was alright. She simply replied 'I had to kill my scale -

it lied to me' That is the attitude to follow.

, take your scale to the garage and beat the hell out of it. If

your clothes feel looser, you are winning. If your feet or legs are

not as tired at the end of the day, you are winning. If you simply

feel better after a week or so, you are winning. That is what this is

all about. The weight loss is a side benefit.

None of us put all the weight on in a couple weeks, we cannot expect

to lose it in a short time. Rethehellax! Life will get better.

[Guest guest]

Hi ann...

Correct me if I am wrong but were you not constipated

at that time which could well explain why..

--- ann wrote:

>

> You know, thinking about it, the week I gained a

> pound, I hadn't eaten

> much that week, because my IBS was so bad. I ate a

> low amount of

> calories, just because I was too sick feeling to eat

> much, and I

> gained. Then, this past week, I had no IBS problems

> (since I cut my

> fiber) and I ate a good amount each day, and I lost

> a pound. I think

> you have a good point, that when your calories are

> too low, you don't

> lose as well.

>

> ann

>

>

> <

> >

> > Are your calories too low? If so, your body could

> striving to

> > maintain or gain weight to compensate.

> >

> > >

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

ROFL, , this is great. You are so right. That's how we have to

think.

ann

<If you

slip during brain surgery, it is reason to panic. Not having weight

drop off like an avalanche is not!>

[Guest guest]

Managing stress is a good idea... when we put things

in perspective it helps a lot...

I know my job was extremly stressful.. I went to bed

with a major headache and woke up daily to one.. I

found myself checking my work too many times..

I worried someday I might just make a mistake and

cause someone to lose their life because of it.. I

detested having to work in a rush rush environment but

sometimes time is of the essence and you have to act

fast... I thank goodness I only had one incident in my

career and it was not a great issue.. My glove simply

caught the tape on the test tube and sent the blood

sample airborne...

I do understand your stress associated with losing

weight and I am well aware of people who join a diet

to lose weight wanting results..

You will get results

--- roger80465 wrote:

>

> > <snip> I'm just in a panic because if I continue

> to gain weight I

> don't know what I'll do.

> >

>

>

> You just hit it on the head - you are in a panic.

> Time to

> rethehellax! This is a way of eating, a lifestyle.

> The whole idea

> here is to eat healthier and, as a result, lose some

> weight. If you

> slip during brain surgery, it is reason to panic.

> Not having weight

> drop off like an avalanche is not!

>

> I advise all of us who are worried about " blowing

> it " or not losing

> fast enough to follow my daughter's approach. A few

> days ago she

> stepped on the scale and it read 275 lbs (she's

> maybe 130). She

> thought it needed new batteries so she replaced

> them. Then it said

> she weighed 310. So she stepped off thinking it

> needed to reset

> itself. She got on again and it said 475. She then

> picked it up,

> took it to the garage and beat the hell out of it

> with her son's

> baseball bat. Her neighbor saw what was happening

> and came to ask if

> everything was alright. She simply replied 'I had

> to kill my scale -

> it lied to me' That is the attitude to follow.

>

> , take your scale to the garage and beat the

> hell out of it. If

> your clothes feel looser, you are winning. If your

> feet or legs are

> not as tired at the end of the day, you are winning.

> If you simply

> feel better after a week or so, you are winning.

> That is what this is

> all about. The weight loss is a side benefit.

>

> None of us put all the weight on in a couple weeks,

> we cannot expect

> to lose it in a short time. Rethehellax! Life will

> get better.

>

>

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

..

You got me thinking about my job with your post... I

tried hardto cancel sending it.. but I think a partial

of it went to the list.. I hit cancel many times but I

think it went through anyhow... Darn

My apologies to the list... I did not mean to send

this partial message about stress..

--- ann wrote:

>

> ROFL, , this is great. You are so right. That's

> how we have to

> think.

>

> ann

>

> <If you

> slip during brain surgery, it is reason to panic.

> Not having weight

> drop off like an avalanche is not!>

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

Please don't deprive yourself of vegetables thinking they have too

many carbs.

For one thing, this isn't a low carb diet, so you don't need to

worry about how many carbs are in your vegetables. I'm not talking

corn (a grain) or peas (a legume), or potatoes (a root vegetable),

but regular old vegetables that are on the allowed list. Eat as many

as you want. Don't even think about the carbs. The important thing

is that they be low glycemic, and if they weren't low enough on the

glycemic scale, they wouldn't be legal on SBD. If it's on the

allowed list, eat it. Unless you hate it.

If it makes you feel better, I just looked on Fitday, and one cup of

spinach has only 1 carb anyway, plus it has 1 fiber. Even doing

Atkins, you deduct that 1 fiber gram from the 1 carb, meaning it

equals zero carbs. So, make like Popeye and have a spinach salad.

Is it TOTM? Maybe that is why you gained.

ann

<

>

> I like to go by the book though because it's all planned out for

me

> and I know what I'm going to eat. I don't like to think about it.

> All I've had so far on this diet was a pear and an apple. Instead

of

> the yogurt I eat a mozz. cheese stick because I can't stand

yogurt.

> When it says for a special kind of chicken I just make grilled

> chicken that has no carbs. So it really balances out to what I was

> eating before I think because I'm cutting back on certain things.

> When it has a special salad I just have a regular salad. I never

> have a spinach salad because the spinach has too many carbs. I did

> weight myself a couple hours ago and I now weight 169 which means

I

> only gained 2 pounds so that's a good thing. I'm just in a panic

> because if I continue to gain weight I don't know what I'll do. >

[Guest guest]

I was off and on. Not every day. One day I would be, the next I

wouldn't. But, I wasn't on the day I got weighed.

ann

<

>

> Hi ann...

>

> Correct me if I am wrong but were you not constipated

> at that time which could well explain why..

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I weighed myself because I noticed I was bloated and I wanted to see

what was going on. I just couldn't help myself.

> > > Well that's great! I have a question for you since you seem

> > > to be in the know about this diet. I am on my 3rd day of the

> > > second phase and I've noticed that I have gained a pound for

> > > the first time. Is this common at the beginning of the first

> > > day. I am eating nuts for snack do you think maybe I should

> > > cut those out or what? I'm going nuts over here. I'm

becoming

> > > more and more bloated since I started this second phase.

Help me!

> >

> > What have you added back for P2?

>

>

>

>

>

> Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-

fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and

the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily

without the bad carbs and bad fats.

>

> For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach

Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

[Guest guest]

> What I'm confused about is if it's not a low carb diet then

> why is it so much like Atkins which is low carb? What kind of

> a diet is it?

Low carb diets, at least at the outset, seek to actually reduce daily

carbohydrate intakes to well below normal levels. The idea is to force the

body into ketosis, causing it to burn protein for fuel rather than

carbohydrates, and use fat stores.

Atkins as it is today is no longer what it once was -- in fact, they're now

looking at becoming more of a low GI diet (go figure). However, even on

Atkins, there are many foods permitted that were traditionally viewed as

being off-limits to low carb diets. Some of the former Atkins folks can

give you more information on this -- it's been a while since I studied up on

it (I need to get another copy of the book).

The South Beach Diet DOES start off low carb -- that's in Phase 1. However,

it doesn't take long to return carbs to normal levels in phase 2. In

theory, you could also take in normal / close-to-normal levels of carbs in

phase 1 I suppose but I doubt that would be the typical way of doing it.

Even with its lower-carb phase 1, it isn't so low carb as to be comparable

with Atkins or other low carb regimens.

With traditional low carb, you do not eat grain products at all. You also

do not eat rice or potatoes. That's not the case with SBD -- these items

are added back in during phase 2 (well, potatoes aren't really but you get

the drift).

Those are just a few of the differences. There are many similarities of

course, but the differences are what makes...well, the difference!