Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Here's how I did it: I wanted 10 mg doses-- So I got out my son's scooby doo plastic plate. I opened up the 100 mg capsule into the middle of the plate. I used a spatula to divide the pile in half and continued to divide it until I had ten equal looking piles. I was pretty picky about getting them equal looking, and as I made a pile I shoved it to the edge of the plate, so I had ten piles all over the plate looking like a " clock " face. Then with the other supp's I wanted him to have, I was less picky about the amount but I put some onto each pile. Some magnesium, some vitamin C, some vitamin E, etc. After the piles were complete, then I got out the bag of empty gelcaps from the health food store. I got the largest size-- my son can swallow capsules. I would take a post it note, fold it in half, and then open it up again so there was a crease in the paper. I used the spatula to slide the " pile " onto the post it note, then I would take a gelcap, and using the folded paper, pour the powder into the gelcap, then cap it up. All of the pills I made would go into a ziploc baggie. I would make all of the pills I needed for a " round " at one time. Any leftover capsules I would just save till the next round. Using the capsules is an easy way to store the dosage even if your child doesn't swallow them-- you can simply open them up onto a spoon of pear sauce, then add a little more pear sauce on top to hide it. Or you can open them up into a tart juice. SHAKING the dmsa into juice mixes easier than stirring. If you don't have gelcaps, you can always use a bunch of those dixie cups-- slide one pile of powder into a paper cup, then fold over the top of it, and store the paper cups on your kitchen counter or somewhere where they won't be messed with. As you need a dose, take the next paper cup. The only way to get the dmsa in the " exact " amounts is to either get a prescription for Chemet, which comes in beads. Each capsule contains 100 beads... so it is easy to " count out " the number of beads you need. Or you get the dmsa to be compounded into capsules with the exact amount you need. But this is more expensive than what you have right now. Good luck, maryW --- In , " rrwester " <rrwester@y...> wrote: > Help! I thought I was all ready to start chelation on my 6 year old > son. But I just noticed that the DMSA I got from Vitamin Research > Products is 100 mg and that's the only kind they have. Andy > recommends 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound per dose. My son is 60 pounds so > that would be 8 to 30 mg per dose. What do I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 We have the same problem - and without a scale I just do it visually because I can't afford to purchase a quality scale. I know this is not the best way to measure (but half the pill is 50mg so you could give him half of that - that would be 25mg. I keep empty capsules for my visual measuring and the stuff I don't use for the next dosing. We have only been doing this on our son (age 5) since the end of May and all three urine reports show mercury, lead, and tin coming out. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Thanks ! That helped alot! Would be handier if it came in 20 - 25 mg, huh? > > Help! I thought I was all ready to start chelation on my 6 year > old > > son. But I just noticed that the DMSA I got from Vitamin Research > > Products is 100 mg and that's the only kind they have. Andy > > recommends 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound per dose. My son is 60 pounds > so > > that would be 8 to 30 mg per dose. What do I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Yes, it would be easier in smaller capsules. With your son's weight, you could go with a higher dose than we did and see what you think. That would mean dividing the capsule into six piles, which is easier to do than dividing it into ten piles. W --- In , " rrwester " <rrwester@y...> wrote: > Thanks ! That helped alot! Would be handier if it came in 20 - > 25 mg, huh? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Question for the group: How many of you do the every 8 hour protocol and how many every 4 hours through the night? Has anyone noticed any difference clinically? I have followed the every 4 hour protocol but I attending a DAN practitioner meeting last week and everyone who was knowledgeable there insisted that every 4 hours is not needed. It was indicated that every 4 hours might be easier on the gut but otherwise it was not at all dangerous to do every 8 hours. One " expert " indicated it might work to give lower doses every 4 hours during the day and double the dose at bedtime so the child could sleep (the parent can sleep too). What do people think? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Ken, I have seen alot of difference between the two protocols.I didn't think I did until I tried the 8 hour.There was definitely regression.I see only progression with the 4 hour. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 This is covered in the polls section of this listserver and if you go back about 3 years in the archives you will see a very large number of posts discussing this. The general situation is that most kids get worse on 8 hour dosing for many months before slowly starting to improve, but most simply start getting better from day one on 4 hour dosing. Please do go back in the archives and verify this for yourself - this is one of the few situations in medicine where actual data (what the parents say as opposed to what the doctors say) is readily available. Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . > How many of you do the every 8 hour protocol and how many every 4 hours > through the night? Has anyone noticed any difference clinically? I have followed > the every 4 hour protocol but I attending a DAN practitioner meeting last week > and everyone who was knowledgeable there insisted that every 4 hours is not > needed. Thus demonstrating such shocking incompetence that I would suggest you ignore everything else they said, too. If you go back in the archives you will find their own patients talking about how the kids got better on 4 hour dosing and worse on 8 hour dosing. Mainstream medicine does not have a monopoly on inaccurate reporting of inconvenient clinical experiences. >It was indicated that every 4 hours might be easier on the gut but > otherwise it was not at all dangerous to do every 8 hours. That will really surprise all the people whose kids got horribly worse on 8 hour dosing, whose reports of that you can find in the archives. >One " expert " indicated it > might work to give lower doses every 4 hours during the day and double the > dose at bedtime so the child could sleep (the parent can sleep too). Nope. The " expert " clearly demonstrated a lack of any relevant expertise. > What do people think? Read the archives if you don't want to take my word for it - the DAN! approach to chelation is dangerous, harmful, keeps kids sick, and makes a lot of them worse. The ultimate outcome for kids chelated on the 8 hour protocol is most likely going to be much worse than for kids chelated on the 3-4 hour protocol. I think it is shockingly irresponsible for DAN! as an organization and the physicians as individuals to make these kinds of statements which so clearly fly in the face of the evidence. My understanding is they are just made for physician convenience (so they don't have to take the time to explain to the people why it is important to get up at night). I believe it is also telling that of the 10 doc's on the " consensus panel, " 8 no longer use the chelation protocol they wrote. > Ken > > > [Non-text portions of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Hi Stan, The only accurate way I can think of to divide the 100 mg capsules into 5 mg doses is to get a scale and some empty capsules (maybe from the Health Food Store). I would definitly wear a mask and gloves when working with the DMSA. For the entire first round of DMSA with my boys I didn't wear a mask or gloves (and I have amalgams). And after the 3 " on " days, I had a really strange headache and wasn't thinking straight. I mix the DMSA with water for my boys and use an oral syringe to shoot it into their mouths. I don't know about the stainless steel crowns. You didn't mention what kind of anasthesia they will use...if it is a local anasthetic ( " Novacaine " ) I don't think that will be a problem. If it is a general anasthetic, I am not sure. If they are planning on using nitrous oxide (laughing gas), I wouldn't let them, it is very toxic stuff!!! HTH, > Hello, > > We are getting ready to start chelating my son who is 5 yr old. He weighs 48 > lbs or 22 kg. I received the DMSA capsules last week from vitamin research > products company the VRP only carries 100 mg capsules. I want to follow Dr. > Cutler protocol very closely and would like to know how would you divide up > a 100 mg capsules pill into 5 mg, and be accurate? My wife and I have > amalgam filling in our mouth, is it imperative that we both were masks and > gloves, when breaking up the capsules? Also, my son only likes to take > liquid, is it okay to mix DMSA with juice, water and other supplements? I > know these are a lot of questions, but I want to make sure I get this right > the first time around. > > My son is going to have Dental work done next month, I made sure they didn't > put any mercury filling inside his mouth. He does have about 5 stainless > steel crowns, will these be okay for chelating? During his dental visit they > are going to administer anesthesia, does anyone know will this have any > effect on DMSA, if so should I wait to start after seeing the Dentist or can > I start sooner? > > > Thank You > Stan > > /// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Hi, DMSA is DMSA, there is no difference that I am aware of except price. I prefer the ALA from Kirkman's, a personal preference as I seem to get more consistent results. TK > > Hi again > > Which DMSA and ALA brand is recommended? > > Thanks > > Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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