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Here's how I did it:

I wanted 10 mg doses-- So I got out my son's scooby doo plastic

plate. I opened up the 100 mg capsule into the middle of the plate.

I used a spatula to divide the pile in half and continued to divide

it until I had ten equal looking piles. I was pretty picky about

getting them equal looking, and as I made a pile I shoved it to the

edge of the plate, so I had ten piles all over the plate looking like

a " clock " face.

Then with the other supp's I wanted him to have, I was less picky

about the amount but I put some onto each pile. Some magnesium, some

vitamin C, some vitamin E, etc.

After the piles were complete, then I got out the bag of empty

gelcaps from the health food store. I got the largest size-- my son

can swallow capsules. I would take a post it note, fold it in half,

and then open it up again so there was a crease in the paper. I used

the spatula to slide the " pile " onto the post it note, then I would

take a gelcap, and using the folded paper, pour the powder into the

gelcap, then cap it up. All of the pills I made would go into a

ziploc baggie. I would make all of the pills I needed for a " round "

at one time. Any leftover capsules I would just save till the next

round.

Using the capsules is an easy way to store the dosage even if your

child doesn't swallow them-- you can simply open them up onto a spoon

of pear sauce, then add a little more pear sauce on top to hide it.

Or you can open them up into a tart juice. SHAKING the dmsa into

juice mixes easier than stirring.

If you don't have gelcaps, you can always use a bunch of those dixie

cups-- slide one pile of powder into a paper cup, then fold over the

top of it, and store the paper cups on your kitchen counter or

somewhere where they won't be messed with. As you need a dose, take

the next paper cup.

The only way to get the dmsa in the " exact " amounts is to either get

a prescription for Chemet, which comes in beads. Each capsule

contains 100 beads... so it is easy to " count out " the number of

beads you need. Or you get the dmsa to be compounded into capsules

with the exact amount you need. But this is more expensive than what

you have right now.

Good luck,

maryW

--- In , " rrwester " <rrwester@y...>

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> Help! I thought I was all ready to start chelation on my 6 year

old

> son. But I just noticed that the DMSA I got from Vitamin Research

> Products is 100 mg and that's the only kind they have. Andy

> recommends 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound per dose. My son is 60 pounds

so

> that would be 8 to 30 mg per dose. What do I do?

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We have the same problem - and without a scale I just do it visually because

I can't afford to purchase a quality scale. I know this is not the best way to

measure (but half the pill is 50mg so you could give him half of that - that

would be 25mg. I keep empty capsules for my visual measuring and the stuff I

don't use for the next dosing. We have only been doing this on our son

(age 5) since the end of May and all three urine reports show mercury,

lead, and tin coming out. Good luck

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Thanks ! That helped alot! Would be handier if it came in 20 -

25 mg, huh?

> > Help! I thought I was all ready to start chelation on my 6 year

> old

> > son. But I just noticed that the DMSA I got from Vitamin

Research

> > Products is 100 mg and that's the only kind they have. Andy

> > recommends 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound per dose. My son is 60

pounds

> so

> > that would be 8 to 30 mg per dose. What do I do?

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Yes, it would be easier in smaller capsules. With your son's weight,

you could go with a higher dose than we did and see what you think.

That would mean dividing the capsule into six piles, which is easier

to do than dividing it into ten piles.

W

--- In , " rrwester " <rrwester@y...>

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> Thanks ! That helped alot! Would be handier if it came in

20 -

> 25 mg, huh?

>

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Question for the group:

How many of you do the every 8 hour protocol and how many every 4 hours

through the night? Has anyone noticed any difference clinically? I have followed

the every 4 hour protocol but I attending a DAN practitioner meeting last week

and everyone who was knowledgeable there insisted that every 4 hours is not

needed. It was indicated that every 4 hours might be easier on the gut but

otherwise it was not at all dangerous to do every 8 hours. One " expert "

indicated it

might work to give lower doses every 4 hours during the day and double the

dose at bedtime so the child could sleep (the parent can sleep too). What do

people think?

Ken

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Ken,

I have seen alot of difference between the two protocols.I didn't think I

did until I tried the 8 hour.There was definitely regression.I see only

progression with the 4 hour.

R

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This is covered in the polls section of this listserver and if you go

back about 3 years in the archives you will see a very large number of

posts discussing this.

The general situation is that most kids get worse on 8 hour dosing for

many months before slowly starting to improve, but most simply start

getting better from day one on 4 hour dosing.

Please do go back in the archives and verify this for yourself - this

is one of the few situations in medicine where actual data (what the

parents say as opposed to what the doctors say) is readily available.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . . .

> How many of you do the every 8 hour protocol and how many every 4

hours

> through the night? Has anyone noticed any difference clinically? I

have followed

> the every 4 hour protocol but I attending a DAN practitioner meeting

last week

> and everyone who was knowledgeable there insisted that every 4 hours

is not

> needed.

Thus demonstrating such shocking incompetence that I would suggest you

ignore everything else they said, too.

If you go back in the archives you will find their own patients

talking about how the kids got better on 4 hour dosing and worse on 8

hour dosing.

Mainstream medicine does not have a monopoly on inaccurate reporting

of inconvenient clinical experiences.

>It was indicated that every 4 hours might be easier on the gut but

> otherwise it was not at all dangerous to do every 8 hours.

That will really surprise all the people whose kids got horribly worse

on 8 hour dosing, whose reports of that you can find in the archives.

>One " expert " indicated it

> might work to give lower doses every 4 hours during the day and

double the

> dose at bedtime so the child could sleep (the parent can sleep too).

Nope. The " expert " clearly demonstrated a lack of any relevant

expertise.

> What do people think?

Read the archives if you don't want to take my word for it - the DAN!

approach to chelation is dangerous, harmful, keeps kids sick, and

makes a lot of them worse. The ultimate outcome for kids chelated on

the 8 hour protocol is most likely going to be much worse than for

kids chelated on the 3-4 hour protocol.

I think it is shockingly irresponsible for DAN! as an organization and

the physicians as individuals to make these kinds of statements which

so clearly fly in the face of the evidence. My understanding is they

are just made for physician convenience (so they don't have to take

the time to explain to the people why it is important to get up at

night).

I believe it is also telling that of the 10 doc's on the " consensus

panel, " 8 no longer use the chelation protocol they wrote.

> Ken

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this

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Hi Stan,

The only accurate way I can think of to divide the 100 mg capsules

into 5 mg doses is to get a scale and some empty capsules (maybe

from the Health Food Store).

I would definitly wear a mask and gloves when working with the DMSA.

For the entire first round of DMSA with my boys I didn't wear a mask

or gloves (and I have amalgams). And after the 3 " on " days, I had a

really strange headache and wasn't thinking straight.

I mix the DMSA with water for my boys and use an oral syringe to

shoot it into their mouths.

I don't know about the stainless steel crowns.

You didn't mention what kind of anasthesia they will use...if it is

a local anasthetic ( " Novacaine " ) I don't think that will be a

problem. If it is a general anasthetic, I am not sure. If they are

planning on using nitrous oxide (laughing gas), I wouldn't let them,

it is very toxic stuff!!!

HTH,

> Hello,

>

> We are getting ready to start chelating my son who is 5 yr old. He

weighs 48

> lbs or 22 kg. I received the DMSA capsules last week from

vitamin research

> products company the VRP only carries 100 mg capsules. I want to

follow Dr.

> Cutler protocol very closely and would like to know how would you

divide up

> a 100 mg capsules pill into 5 mg, and be accurate? My wife and I

have

> amalgam filling in our mouth, is it imperative that we both were

masks and

> gloves, when breaking up the capsules? Also, my son only likes to

take

> liquid, is it okay to mix DMSA with juice, water and other

supplements? I

> know these are a lot of questions, but I want to make sure I get

this right

> the first time around.

>

> My son is going to have Dental work done next month, I made sure

they didn't

> put any mercury filling inside his mouth. He does have about 5

stainless

> steel crowns, will these be okay for chelating? During his dental

visit they

> are going to administer anesthesia, does anyone know will this

have any

> effect on DMSA, if so should I wait to start after seeing the

Dentist or can

> I start sooner?

>

>

> Thank You

> Stan

>

> ///

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Hi,

DMSA is DMSA, there is no difference that I am aware of except

price. I prefer the ALA from Kirkman's, a personal preference as I

seem to get more consistent results.

TK

>

> Hi again

>

> Which DMSA and ALA brand is recommended?

>

> Thanks

>

> Shirley

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