Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 We have been chelating since mid Dec. 2002. In the beginning my daughter was quite unaware of what was happening and didn't fight the blood draws. NOW - she knows!!!!! We have made several attempts to get blood, we use EMLA, Motrin before and after and have had to resort to 'papoosing' her. I understand that we need the draws to be sure liver functioning and platelets look good, is there any other way of getting this information? We are using DMSA/ALA, I'm wondering if I should give her a break from DMSA so we don't have to draw blood so often. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hello Karyn, > We have been chelating since mid Dec. 2002. In the beginning my daughter was quite unaware of what was happening and didn't fight the blood draws. > > NOW - she knows!!!!! We have made several attempts to get blood, we use EMLA, Motrin before and after and have had to resort to 'papoosing' her. I understand that we need the draws to be sure liver functioning and platelets look good, is there any other way of getting this information? Not that I know of--- not in this form. However, Traditional Chinese Medicine is something you might consider. It is a very different slant on checking the liver. It uses tongue and pulse diagnosis (look at tongue, feel pulses in both wrists) and is totally geared to supporting and balancing the major organ systems. I'm sorry I do not have a reference for how to find a pediatric acupunturist You can also (without testing) do various things to support the liver, such as give/take milk thistle, eat beets, artichokes, low or no use of pesticides/chemicals/coffee/drugs...... > > We are using DMSA/ALA, I'm wondering if I should give her a break from DMSA so we don't have to draw blood so often. Yes, you can use just ALA. If she has lead poisoning, then the DMSA is necessary--- for mercury it is OPTIONAL. However, even with lead, you could use DMSA less often, like once a month. best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I asked more questions by the *'s. thanks Karyn [ ] Re: blood draws Hello Karyn, > We have been chelating since mid Dec. 2002. In the beginning my daughter was quite unaware of what was happening and didn't fight the blood draws. > > NOW - she knows!!!!! We have made several attempts to get blood, we use EMLA, Motrin before and after and have had to resort to 'papoosing' her. I understand that we need the draws to be sure liver functioning and platelets look good, is there any other way of getting this information? Not that I know of--- not in this form. However, Traditional Chinese Medicine is something you might consider. It is a very different slant on checking the liver. It uses tongue and pulse diagnosis (look at tongue, feel pulses in both wrists) and is totally geared to supporting and balancing the major organ systems. I'm sorry I do not have a reference for how to find a pediatric acupunturist *I might need to find one of these guys/gals!!! This papoosing thing is worse than when we started ABA - VERY UGLY, takes me, 4 nurses and the lab tech. You can also (without testing) do various things to support the liver, such as give/take milk thistle, eat beets, artichokes, low or no use of pesticides/chemicals/coffee/drugs...... * We give Milk Thistle about 3 on chelating days and 2 on off cheltaing days. It contains: 175mg Milk Thistle Extract standardized to contain 80% Silymarin, 140mg - whatever that means > > We are using DMSA/ALA, I'm wondering if I should give her a break from DMSA so we don't have to draw blood so often. Yes, you can use just ALA. If she has lead poisoning, then the DMSA is necessary--- for mercury it is OPTIONAL. However, even with lead, you could use DMSA less often, like once a month. * I might have to go that route. We screwed up and never did the hair test, I'm going strictly on " mother's intuition " , and support from different listserves and parents. \ Thanks Karyn best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 > *I might need to find one of these guys/gals!!! > Try www.naet.com or consider looking under applied kinesiology (AK) as another option. S >> > Thanks<BR> Karyn<BR> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Karyn, Reflexology could also be helpful regarding liver function. S =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Everyone I know here in Germany is onto NAET!! Well at least the ones I consider smart.... Re: [ ] Re: blood draws > > > > > > > > > > *I might need to find one of these guys/gals!!! > > > Try www.naet.com or consider looking under applied kinesiology (AK) as another option. > S > >> > > > Thanks<BR> > Karyn<BR> > =======================================================<BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 --- In , " Karyn " <klmitch@c...> wrote: > I asked more questions by the *'s. > I'm sorry I do not have a reference > for how to find a pediatric acupunturist > *I might need to find one of these guys/gals!!! This papoosing thing is worse than when we started ABA - VERY UGLY, takes me, 4 nurses and the lab tech. Yes, you have to decide what is an acceptable tradeoff and what isn't. Very hard. I would certainly consider ALA only if that would get you out of the blood tests (which it may or may not). > * We give Milk Thistle about 3 on chelating days and 2 on off cheltaing days. It contains: 175mg Milk Thistle Extract > standardized to contain 80% > Silymarin, 140mg - whatever that means Silymarin is an active ingredient in milk thistle. I don't know how it is standardized though..... Anyway, it is good stuff for liver. > > We are using DMSA/ALA, I'm wondering if I should give her a break > from DMSA so we don't have to draw blood so often. yes, I'm wondering that too. It depends on why you are doing the tests now, I guess. If you stop DMSA and use just ALA, that does not stress the liver. Except that DETOX still stresses the liver, and being mercury poisoned is an ongoing stress on the liver. So her liver could still be very stressed (in fact, I think most people who are mercury toxic have a LOT of liver stress.) best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Well, she's only 3.5 yrs old. I know that she will have some stress of the liver, but will it be as much as an older child/person. Does age and damage mean anything in this area, or is it just stress all the way around. Is there anyway I could look for stress signs other than blood. I'm keeping all the replies to this for future reference. Karyn [ ] Re: blood draws > I asked more questions by the *'s. > I'm sorry I do not have a reference > for how to find a pediatric acupunturist > *I might need to find one of these guys/gals!!! This papoosing thing is worse than when we started ABA - VERY UGLY, takes me, 4 nurses and the lab tech. Yes, you have to decide what is an acceptable tradeoff and what isn't. Very hard. I would certainly consider ALA only if that would get you out of the blood tests (which it may or may not). > * We give Milk Thistle about 3 on chelating days and 2 on off cheltaing days. It contains: 175mg Milk Thistle Extract > standardized to contain 80% > Silymarin, 140mg - whatever that means Silymarin is an active ingredient in milk thistle. I don't know how it is standardized though..... Anyway, it is good stuff for liver. > > We are using DMSA/ALA, I'm wondering if I should give her a break > from DMSA so we don't have to draw blood so often. yes, I'm wondering that too. It depends on why you are doing the tests now, I guess. If you stop DMSA and use just ALA, that does not stress the liver. Except that DETOX still stresses the liver, and being mercury poisoned is an ongoing stress on the liver. So her liver could still be very stressed (in fact, I think most people who are mercury toxic have a LOT of liver stress.) best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 With regards to the bloodwork insist upon someone who is very experienced! With the right person your child's vein can be found fairly painlessly and it will be over quickly! I bribe my child with food and a toy if I need to! I bring a Toys R Us advertisement or a paper I printed out with a favorite toy on it. I promise a milkshake or a meal at a favorite restaurant! My son has had so many tests and NOT ONE has told us anything except my son was " low-normal " for carnitine deficiency. Everything else comes back fine. The scenario is we bring our son to a doctor. Describe our son. The dr orders tests. The tests come back telling us nothing. It's good to know nothing sometimes too eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 I agree with all the above advice - hydrating well, experienced phelbotimist, cream with warm cloth. Bring a portable DVD for distraction if you can. Also make sure that wherever you go, they can draw blood for the tests you need and are willing to ship it to the labs the doc wants it shipped to. for example, if testing for carnitine the hospital/lab has to have special equipment to process the sample before shipping to lab. I've also heard of some hospitals (not likely a children's hosptial) are less willing to ship to some 'alternative' labs...Then all the drama of the draw would be for nothing....HTH, > > With regards to the bloodwork insist upon someone who is very > experienced! With the right person your child's vein can be found > fairly painlessly and it will be over quickly! > > I bribe my child with food and a toy if I need to! I bring a Toys R > Us advertisement or a paper I printed out with a favorite toy on it. > I promise a milkshake or a meal at a favorite restaurant! > > My son has had so many tests and NOT ONE has told us anything except > my son was " low-normal " for carnitine deficiency. Everything else > comes back fine. The scenario is we bring our son to a doctor. > Describe our son. The dr orders tests. The tests come back telling us > nothing. It's good to know nothing sometimes too eh? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Yes do let us know every time I stopped TRT the Dr. took me off it cold and I crashed ending up off work on sick leave. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: Blood draws > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:40 PM > After a month of every other day t > and a month no t cold turkey, I got my bloods drawn today. > Hopefully Ill get the results tomorrow or the next day. Man > what an roller coaster. Let you know when I hear. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Believe me I've wanted to take off work. In fact Ive wanted to just lay in bed all day. Ugh. > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > > Subject: Blood draws > > > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:40 PM > > After a month of every other day t > > and a month no t cold turkey, I got my bloods drawn today. > > Hopefully Ill get the results tomorrow or the next day. Man > > what an roller coaster. Let you know when I hear. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 There is now way I will ever let a Dr. take me off TRT again. And what is sad it's looking like I will need to find a new Dr. My Dr. is joining MDVIP and if I want to keep seeing him it will cost me an extra $1500 to $1800 per yr. over and above what I pay for my health care plain to see him. I did a search about this it looks to me like it's a scam. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=mdvip+scam & aq=1 & aqi=g10 & aql=f & oq=MDVIP & \ gs_rfai= Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: Re: Blood draws > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 1:34 PM > Believe me I've wanted to take off > work. In fact Ive wanted to just lay in bed all day. Ugh. > > > > > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > > > Subject: Blood draws > > > > > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > After a month of every other day t > > > and a month no t cold turkey, I got my bloods > drawn today. > > > Hopefully Ill get the results tomorrow or the > next day. Man > > > what an roller coaster. Let you know when I hear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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