Re: Sorry long post - so tired please help

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i would cut right back on the vitamin c to 30 mg or so a day.

my thoughts on chelation...... the uk is short of selenium so please

pay attention to what it says about selenium there.

http://members.tripod.com/mueller_ranges/links/as_links.html

the first three weeks after amalgam removal can be bad.

--- In , " Gaynor " <tigereyedesign@d...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I normally post on the adult chelation list but wondered if anyone

on here had any advise that could help me.

>

> I haven't been too well in the past 3-4 weeks or so. I feel like

death warmed up lately. I even look different ? this last 3-4 weeks

has taken everything from me.

> I've had lots of dental treatment and lots of pain(going into my

4th month of dental treatment now/nearly every week).

> I had all the metals removed by March 3rd this year. After taking

the metal filled crowns off, one of my front teeth got really

painful, I've never had toothache so bad. So I had an emergency

appointment and had it pulled. That was about 3 weeks ago and I still

hurt from it. Then I had at the following appointment the same week a

broken one pulled(an 'accident' from my previous neglectful dentist)

and then a deep root canal removed. I was warned before that it may

break and they cut and rolled down my gums around it to try to help

prevent it from breaking.

> But it broke, so the knife came out again. I had 3 roots to be

removed. My anaesthetic kept wearing off and i was in there for this

for 1 hr and 45 minutes. I came out feeling lousy and was stitched up.

> Since then I feel like I've got worse especially with fatigue. I

am shattered. Its a big deal to stay awake 10 minutes after I've

awoke. After the 1st 10 minutes I start to fade, tired over my whole

body and brain.

>

> My Dentist is a qualified toxiologist and she has mentioned a few

times of my 'sensitivites'. I seem to be getting more reactions every

time I'm at the dentists - from the tools etc. Looking back I?ve been

the same at the past 2 other dentists I?ve been to also. I know that

I'm allergic to nickel, sometimes I only have to touch a door handle

to get a reaction and I've had the patch tests.

> She has apologised a few times about the tools used as they affect

me but it can't be helped. Luckily I go once more next week and then

I have a break for 6 months.

> But she also thinks I may have a problem with Aluminium.

>

> Has anyone out there have any of these issues - how do you deal

with them.

>

> She asked me today if I was any better. She said that she didn't

expect me to feel better yet as it was early days and I had 'gone

through it recently'.

> She commented that even after chelating I may stil have a problem

because she think I have issues with other things like my nickel

allergy and maybe other things I am sensitive to.

>

> I have now done 2 rounds of DMSA.

> The 1st round I was on 12 mg and found it easy. The last time I

went to 50mg and found that I couldn't keep my eyes open after about

10-15minutes. It completely drained me. I am due for another round

now. I'm doing 3 on 11 off at the moment.

>

> Problem is my dentist has told me to be very careful, she doesn't

think I'm strong enough at the moment. I just want to get on with it

if possible and get better.

>

> My Dentist also thinks that I am now too weak for DMSA, shes trying

to put me off it.

> I haven?t told her how I feel while I?m on it or she would really

shout at me ? I?d rather that she was sympathetic as I?m very touchy

at the moment, I can cry over the least thing and that?s like SO

unusual as I try not to show any weak emotions ALWAYS!

> I get down and tearful everyday lately.

>

> I don?t know what to do with myself at the moment. I don?t go out ?

I?m stuck in the house, day in day out.

> If I go out any fumes from the road or anything different makes me

so poorly, I try not to expose myself especially when I am more

sensitive like all of the last month.

>

> I don?t feel like I have any better days anymore and the pains

around my eyes and itchiness is very irritating. I have had this

symptom for over a year now ? the doctors pay no attention and I?m

getting no help from them as they know nothing and want me to tell

them things ? I haven?t the energy nor time to spare.

>

> Anyone got any ideas on anything that may pep me up?

>

> Also does anyone know what else DMSA chelates, ie: nickel,

aluminium etc. ? These things have been mentioned by my dentist and I

just wondered if I could kill 2 or 3 or 4 birds with 1 stone!

>

> And would it be best to build up if its possible before carrying on

chelating with DMSA(Due to my dentist saying I was too weak at the

moment) or shall I carry on regardless?

>

> Because of my stitches I found it very hard to drink and swallow

tablets so after afew attempts, i stopped taking my supplements. I

don't think I feel much different but maybe I would have felt worse

by now if I hadn't have taken them up to now.

>

> I wondered if any of you could advise on something to help beat

this fatigue! I can pop 5-6 gms of vit C in one go and not feel any

different.

>

> Anyway, I?m feeling worse than I ever have. I?m so tired. Any ideas

on what could help?

>

>

> Any help & advise would be much appreciated

>

>

> Kindest Regards

>

> Gaynor, U.K

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list. I've interpresed my comments amongst yours.

>

I have now done 2 rounds of DMSA.<BR>

The 1st round I was on 12 mg and found it easy. The last time I went to 50mg and

found that I couldn't keep my eyes open after about 10-15minutes. It completely

drained me. I am due for another round now. I'm doing 3 on 11 off at the

moment.<BR>

>

*How often do you dose? Do you take other supplements, digestive enzymes?

Which ones, how much, how often? Motto here is low and slow. I'd go back to

the 12 mg if I were you. Consider dosing every 4 hrs day and night throught the

round if you aren't already. Dental work is very stressful on the system best

to space it out more if possible.

>

pains around my eyes and itchiness is very irritating.

>

Drink lots of reverse osmosis water. Have you tried artificial tears (read the

label, some eye drops contains thimerosal (mercury), but I'm pretty sure these

don't.

>

Anyone got any ideas on anything that may pep me up?

>

Do you have a juicer? Fresh fruit and vegetable juices or smoothies may help.

Consider taking dairy and wheat out of your diet for a while, avoid fast/junk

food.

>

Also does anyone know what else DMSA chelates, ie: nickel, aluminium etc. ?

>

DMSA chelates lead and mercury primarily. People chelating have reported

dumping a wide variety of metals. Apple pectin/malic acid (available at HFS)

helps with the aluminum. Also make sure you don't have ongoing exposure to

aluminum and nickel. Aluminum is in some baking powder, added to munipal water

in fluoridation process, pop cans, some cookware, deodorant, and some

medications(?) Nickel is used in the hydrogenation process for some foods in

addition to all the uses you know about with which one has topical exposure.

You may want to consider NAET and type of non-invasive allergy elmination

treatment (see www.NAET.com) that uses acupuncture and applied kinesiology.

>

I wondered if any of you could advise on something to help beat this fatigue!

>

Epsom salt baths may prove helpful.

>

Gaynor, U.K<BR>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/04/03 01:11:49 GMT Daylight Time,

tigereyedesign@... writes:

> My Dentist also thinks that I am now too weak for DMSA, shes trying to put

> me off it.

> I haven?t told her how I feel while I?m on it or she would really shout at

> me ? I?d rather that she was sympathetic as I?m very touchy at the moment,

> I can cry over the least thing and that?s like SO unusual as I try not to

> show any weak emotions ALWAYS!

> I get down and tearful everyday lately.

Gaynor, I'm in the UK. Maybe you need to find a different dentist. I know

a good one in London and another, too, was recently recommended to me but I

dont' know exact location. Woudl this help you?

You sound like you are very ill indeed. Don't blame it on yourself, because

it's no more your fault than me having a cold is my fault. Stuff happens.

Were you ill before all the dental work? Did you start getting ill and then

think, OK I'm going to get my amalgams removed?

People will help you on this list and others. Please keep writing in.

I don't want to fill you will fascile suggestions because I am not so good at

nutrition (yet). But my first thought was alkalise the body with a lot of

fruit and/or vegetable juice, perhaps start taking some (many) minerals like

magnesium, zinc, selenium and other trace minerals. If you are so ill you

can't cook for yourself, try getting good quality eggs, and eat the raw egg

yolk in raw avocado. There's a lot of reasons that may help but raw yolks

CAN have salmonella (although I've been doing this for a long time with no

adverse effects, but then I am generally healthy).

You may have a yeast problem, too. I'll go now because I think others will

know more.

Marti

[Guest guest]

Take a gram of buffered vitamin C every hour or two for a while, gotu

kola liquid extract 1-2 droppersfull 3-4 times a day to promote

healing, gelatin powder 1 tbsp 3-4 times a day (and eat lots of meat

too), and whatever else you are doing for yourself.

Chelate with DMSA 100 mg every 4 hours in a couple of weeks.

A

[Guest guest]

> I normally post on the adult chelation list but wondered if anyone

on here had any advise that could help me.

I don't know that I have any " advice " , your situation sounds

complicated. I can comment on what I've done, some of which

helped for me.

>

> I haven't been too well in the past 3-4 weeks or so. I feel like

death warmed up lately. I even look different ? this last 3-4 weeks

has taken everything from me.

> I've had lots of dental treatment and lots of pain(going into my 4th

month of dental treatment now/nearly every week).

I'm very stressed by dental work. I needed to go slower than

the dentist suggested. I also got a lot of refeif from body

work and energy work I had done after some of the dental work.

Maybe SOME people are not so stressed by dental work, but

I am, and apparently you are. So, you may want to consider

this -- both in planning for dental work and in looking for

ways to " recover " .

> I had all the metals removed by March 3rd this year. After taking

the metal filled crowns off, one of my front teeth got really painful,

I've never had toothache so bad. So I had an emergency appointment and

had it pulled. That was about 3 weeks ago and I still hurt from it.

Then I had at the following appointment the same week a broken one

pulled(an 'accident' from my previous neglectful dentist) and then a

deep root canal removed. I was warned before that it may break and

they cut and rolled down my gums around it to try to help prevent it

from breaking.

> But it broke, so the knife came out again. I had 3 roots to be

removed. My anaesthetic kept wearing off and i was in there for this

for 1 hr and 45 minutes. I came out feeling lousy and was stitched up.

> Since then I feel like I've got worse especially with fatigue. I am

shattered. Its a big deal to stay awake 10 minutes after I've awoke.

After the 1st 10 minutes I start to fade, tired over my whole body and

brain.

I can't really tell much what to say about this. I don't think

I've experienced the sort of tiredness you are having. I'm

wondering if you are managing to eat during all this sleepiness?

If not, that will contribute to weakness, I think. You could

try drinking carrot juice or grape juice or chicken broth when

you wake up. A continuing input of food is what I'm thinking

of. Even if it is just some liquid every hour.

>

> My Dentist is a qualified toxiologist and she has mentioned a few

times of my 'sensitivites'. I seem to be getting more reactions every

time I'm at the dentists - from the tools etc. Looking back I?ve been

the same at the past 2 other dentists I?ve been to also. I know that

I'm allergic to nickel, sometimes I only have to touch a door handle

to get a reaction and I've had the patch tests.

> She has apologised a few times about the tools used as they affect

me but it can't be helped. Luckily I go once more next week and then I

have a break for 6 months.

> But she also thinks I may have a problem with Aluminium.

>

> Has anyone out there have any of these issues - how do you deal with

them.

>

> She asked me today if I was any better. She said that she didn't

expect me to feel better yet as it was early days and I had 'gone

through it recently'.

> She commented that even after chelating I may stil have a problem

because she think I have issues with other things like my nickel

allergy and maybe other things I am sensitive to.

Allergies are hard to deal with. I'm not allergic to metals, but

am allergic to touching many plants. I do think chelation may

help, but it also may take time for the allergies to go away.

You can try NAET or bioset if you want. I use Chinese herbs

(from my acupunturist) for temporary relief, which helps a lot,

in my case.

>

> I have now done 2 rounds of DMSA.

> The 1st round I was on 12 mg and found it easy. The last time I went

to 50mg and found that I couldn't keep my eyes open after about

10-15minutes. It completely drained me. I am due for another round

now. I'm doing 3 on 11 off at the moment.

>

> Problem is my dentist has told me to be very careful, she doesn't

think I'm strong enough at the moment. I just want to get on with it

if possible and get better.

>

> My Dentist also thinks that I am now too weak for DMSA, shes trying

to put me off it.

> I haven?t told her how I feel while I?m on it or she would really

shout at me ? I?d rather that she was sympathetic as I?m very touchy

at the moment, I can cry over the least thing and that?s like SO

unusual as I try not to show any weak emotions ALWAYS!

> I get down and tearful everyday lately.

I would suggest that you take care of yourself about it, as best

you can, whatever that means. It is always sad when the situation

is not supportive. There may also be other kinds of emotional

support that would help you, and you should do whatever will be

supportive for you. That might be almost anything, I have no idea.

But hopefully you have some ideas of what will help you through.

>

> I don?t know what to do with myself at the moment. I don?t go out ?

I?m stuck in the house, day in day out.

Then do fun distracting things at home. Watch movies that are

fun or funny or uplifting. Books (same criteria). Any good

radio programs? Talk on the phone? Cassette tapes of music or

lectures? Are there people who visit you? Sing. Draw pictures.

> Also does anyone know what else DMSA chelates, ie: nickel, aluminium

etc. ? These things have been mentioned by my dentist and I just

wondered if I could kill 2 or 3 or 4 birds with 1 stone!

It chelates mercury and lead. But people who do excretion tests

have had high levels of several other metals....

>

> And would it be best to build up if its possible before carrying on

chelating with DMSA(Due to my dentist saying I was too weak at the

moment) or shall I carry on regardless?

>

> Because of my stitches I found it very hard to drink and swallow

tablets so after afew attempts, i stopped taking my supplements. I

don't think I feel much different but maybe I would have felt worse by

now if I hadn't have taken them up to now.

Well, this is hard to answer, which I think means I don't HAVE an

answer to it. But I can say that if I had stitches OR if I had

just had oral surgery, that I cannot imagine trying to do any other

major project at that time. You can reread my comments about

dental work being stressful for me, if you want. My thoughts

go toward sitting outside in the sunshine, looking at flowers,

maybe taking a little walk..... baths, rest......

I really don't know what to suggest for the tiredness. Sometimes

a lot of sleep is really a good thing though--- it may be your

body's way of healing from the anesthesia and stress. I guess

I would tend to think it is a good thing, unless it goes on for

weeks and weeks or something where it seems to be metabolic.

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

IMO find other sources of protein (nuts, seeds, beans, etc.). Meat's full of

hormones, antibiotics, etc. unless you get free-range, organic.

S (vegan)

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Take a gram of buffered vitamin C every hour or two for a while, gotu <BR>

kola liquid extract 1-2 droppersfull 3-4 times a day to promote <BR>

healing, gelatin powder 1 tbsp 3-4 times a day (and eat lots of meat <BR>

too), and whatever else you are doing for yourself.<BR>

<BR>

Chelate with DMSA 100 mg every 4 hours in a couple of weeks.<BR>

<BR>

A<BR>

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Your symptoms sound familiar to what I had when very toxic though mine

weren't quite as bad as yours sound. The best pep-me-up thing I found at

that time was a combo of a vitamin C powder mixed with water and liquid

magnesium. Magnesium Chloride from Allergy Research Group or Cardiovascular

Research Group was like a major pep pill for me. It also cured the eye tic I

had at that time. You can order it from www.vitaminshoppe.com.

DMSA will chelate most metals, though it chelates some better than others. I

would agree with your doc to go very slowly and watch your reaction very

carefully since if you are very very weak, your body may not be able to

process the metals out very well.

Given your strong reaction to metals, you'd probably benefit greatly from

some NAET or TBM treatments for various metals you react to. Sorry, I don't

know anyone who does these in the UK, but perhaps the www.naet.org site can

direct you to a practitioner.

Also, if you can find someone in your area with a Biocleanse or IonCleanse

machine, that might be a quicker, safe way to get you to the point where you

can handle chelation better.

Best wishes. It does get better.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

>>>the local anesthetic... epinephrine.

Dental work for me has always been terrible because I am very hyper-

sensitive and had head pain anyway. " Stress " didn't begin to

approach an appropriate adjective. The dentist didn't use the

epinephrine because it might interact with my prescription medicine.

The sub was incredibly inefficient for me...in fact, the dentist

said she rarely had such a problem getting someone numb enough to

work on (I was very hyper-sensitive). Finally, I didn't need the med

as much so the dentist could use the epinephrine and WOW, that was

the best stuff ever. Total heaven...meaning, no pain. It was just

awesome. In fact, I look forward to going to the dentist now but I

INSIST on the epinephrine. So, just consider another person's

experience.

.

[Guest guest]

Gaynor this is such good news! Hang in there - the only way is up as they say

MAndi in UK

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys!

Thank you for all your replies of help when I felt so poorly recently.

I don't know what is happening but I am starting to feel better and I mean

better than I have in the last 2 years!

I don't know if it is the DMSA that may have helped remove some of the mercury

out of my system making me feel better or if its the fact that I have now got

nothing at all in my mouth affecting me.(As I seem to be getting reactions to

many things)

The last one I had removed was a deep root canal and a tooth which an old

dentist played around with, decided to do a deep root canal and as two other

dentists have said - tried and failed. The nerve was damaged during the deep

root canal and since I'd had it I had had pain behind that ear and around my

head as well as not being able to bite on it properly.

But I cannot believe the change in me, a long way to go still but I'm now on my

5th day where I'm finding that I can move around better. Even one step in front

of the other hurt me before. Now it doesn't hurt! It feels so different!

I'm still knotted up in my back and arms, but I tell you, it was my birthday

yesterday and feeling this much better was the best present that I could ever

have!!!

I go to the dentist again this Wednesday, for temporary bridges to be fitted

and then I get a 6 month break before going back again for the proper ones.

I don't know if it was the DMSA that lowered my body burden and made me feel

better(maybe it was that which also made me feel so terribly poorly and tired

while it stirred it up) but will find out when I go for my next round. I have

decided to have a few weeks off to build up abit, so I will start it again next

weekend(about 26th April).

Or maybe after getting all the poison out of my mouth my body is starting to

come towards some kind of normality.

I had my 1st amalgams removed in January, completed them in February. Then the

only metals I had left in my mouth was the crowns. The metal had receded back

and when the dentist cut them off I was amazed to see that the crowns where

approx. 50% amalgam. They were removed on 3rd March.

Feeling this well now is actually overwhelming me emotionally now - talk about

swings and roundabouts. I've had nearly 5 years of this and to get such a boost

this way makes me really believe now that I am going to get better.

Oh and when I said I didn't even look like me ? I looked terrible this time

last week and its true I didn't look like myself anymore, just a shadow.

But now I look like I did a year ago - not back yet to how I looked before all

this but from last week to this I have probably lost 5 years.

Gaynor

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 15/4/03 8:05:21 pm, tigereyedesign@... writes:

> Oh and when I said I didn't even look like me ? I looked terrible this time

> last week and its true I didn't look like myself anymore, just a shadow.

> But now I look like I did a year ago - not back yet to how I looked before

> all

> this but from last week to this I have probably lost 5 years.

>

Gaynor, i'm happy for you. Looks like you're going to be okay! That's

wonderful. marti