RE: Vaccination Due - Words of Wisdom?

[Guest guest]

Knowing what I know now, I would NEVER give that child another vaccine! know

what I do now, If I had it to do over again ( I have four sons) I would have

NEVER vaccinated any of them!! It breaks my heart knowing that every day,

thousand of children are exposed to these terrible risks!

Sincerely

A sad mom in Ruston, LA>

[ ] Vaccination Due - Words of Wisdom?

Dear Parents,

This is a fairly involved one time posting that I hope you will take

the time to read.

I work at a Family Practice Clinic and have a patient there I am very

concerned about.

is 22 month old with severe eczema that was non-responsive to

any treatment, but cleared a great deal with the discontinuation of

milk. He has begun to have fairly regular problems with wheezing (no

official diagnosis of asthma). has a very light complexion.

His behavior is very normal for his age. He has a brother who the

parents initially thought might be autistic. This is no longer a

concern for the family; as his brother began speaking at 4 years old

and is very bright and very verbal. I am not qualified to make a

diagnosis of Asperger's – but 's parents will be reading about

this to see if it strikes them in any way. needed " caught up "

on his immunizations. The immunizations were proceeded with very

slowly rather than catching up all at once – ran fevers and had

worsening eczema shots. We checked for anemia (because he is so

pale) and checked a copper, zinc and ceruloplasmin. His lab work

came back showing very mild anemia, a copper in the 160's and a zinc

in the 40's, and a copper/zinc ratio of 3.6. is due for his

MMR. I have openly expressed my concerns to 's parents, but as

you all know, the depth and knowledge about autism / risks is not

well understood in most of the medical community. 's parents are

very bright, and obviously love their children very much. However, I

am concerned that due to the poor understanding among the medical

community my theories may sound a little " out there " – any second

opinions they may receive, especially being well networked due to

their occupations (nurse and respiratory therapist), may not support

my recommendations. This is especially true because does not

have anything definite in terms of an autism spectrum diagnosis, and

he has normal behavior. I can't tell you how many times I have heard

people say I wish I had known what I know now. I know how well

versed all of you are in the causation theories and I'm sure you

would share my concerns. I told 's parents that I would hope

they would talk to other parents before they proceeded with any

vaccinations. 's parents are willing to take nutrients to

correct what is obvious in terms of his copper and zinc. We will

also be discussing in further detail casein / gluten free diets,

although I'm sure you can imagine how difficult that would be to

implement without clear cut diagnosis or symptoms to motivate you.

I thank you for your time in reading this posting, and please share

the wisdom you have acquired. Knowing what you know now - if you

were in their shoes, what would you do?

[Guest guest]

My sister just had a child. I convinced her in part through what she

has seen with my kids with autism/allergies - and I printed articles

for her. If you feel comfortable, you could print the Grier article

listed in the files section. You could also print

the " Autism/mercury " paper by Sally Bernard/ Binstock - et al.

There is a great deal of information about how vaccines tax the

immune system, creating a nice environment for allergies.

You may also suggest buying the book " What doctors dont tell you

about childhood vaccines " . This is a nice " overview " especially for

folks not immediately injured. My sister loved it.

's parents are

> very bright, and obviously love their children very much.

However, I

> am concerned that due to the poor understanding among the medical

> community my theories may sound a little " out there " – any second

> opinions they may receive, especially being well networked due to

> their occupations (nurse and respiratory therapist), may not

support

> my recommendations.

[Guest guest]

>

needed " caught up " <BR>

on his immunizations.

>

*Bad idea. I bet he has high titres as it is.

>

is due for his <BR>

MMR. 

>

This is especially true because does not <BR>

have anything definite in terms of an autism spectrum diagnosis, and <BR>

he has normal behavior.

>

Which additional vaccines may alter.

>

's parents are willing to take nutrients to <BR>

correct what is obvious in terms of his copper and zinc.  We will <BR>

also be discussing in further detail casein / gluten free diets, <BR>

although I'm sure you can imagine how difficult that would be to <BR>

implement without clear cut diagnosis or symptoms to motivate you.  <BR>

>

Suggest a DDI hair analysis with counting rules applied before any decisions

regarding " catching up " on vaccines.

>

S (not a parent, but aunt to nephew with vaccine-induced autism)>

=======================================================<BR>

[Guest guest]

Why don't you print out the discussion in the Irish Parliament recently on

the MMR. I posted the link yesterday. And they can inform themselves?

[ ] Vaccination Due - Words of Wisdom?

Dear Parents,

This is a fairly involved one time posting that I hope you will take

the time to read.

I work at a Family Practice Clinic and have a patient there I am very

concerned about.

is 22 month old with severe eczema that was non-responsive to

any treatment, but cleared a great deal with the discontinuation of

milk. He has begun to have fairly regular problems with wheezing (no

official diagnosis of asthma). has a very light complexion.

His behavior is very normal for his age. He has a brother who the

parents initially thought might be autistic. This is no longer a

concern for the family; as his brother began speaking at 4 years old

and is very bright and very verbal. I am not qualified to make a

diagnosis of Asperger's - but 's parents will be reading about

this to see if it strikes them in any way. needed " caught up "

on his immunizations. The immunizations were proceeded with very

slowly rather than catching up all at once - ran fevers and had

worsening eczema shots. We checked for anemia (because he is so

pale) and checked a copper, zinc and ceruloplasmin. His lab work

came back showing very mild anemia, a copper in the 160's and a zinc

in the 40's, and a copper/zinc ratio of 3.6. is due for his

MMR. I have openly expressed my concerns to 's parents, but as

you all know, the depth and knowledge about autism / risks is not

well understood in most of the medical community. 's parents are

very bright, and obviously love their children very much. However, I

am concerned that due to the poor understanding among the medical

community my theories may sound a little " out there " - any second

opinions they may receive, especially being well networked due to

their occupations (nurse and respiratory therapist), may not support

my recommendations. This is especially true because does not

have anything definite in terms of an autism spectrum diagnosis, and

he has normal behavior. I can't tell you how many times I have heard

people say I wish I had known what I know now. I know how well

versed all of you are in the causation theories and I'm sure you

would share my concerns. I told 's parents that I would hope

they would talk to other parents before they proceeded with any

vaccinations. 's parents are willing to take nutrients to

correct what is obvious in terms of his copper and zinc. We will

also be discussing in further detail casein / gluten free diets,

although I'm sure you can imagine how difficult that would be to

implement without clear cut diagnosis or symptoms to motivate you.

I thank you for your time in reading this posting, and please share

the wisdom you have acquired. Knowing what you know now - if you

were in their shoes, what would you do?

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Well, knowing what I know now has caused me to raise my new baby

differently. I do not give her dairy/wheat and do not plan on it

until we are certain that she is not showing autism signs. And, I

have not allowed vaccination at all. I do fear, in particular

pertussis and hib, but more than those diseases I fear forever

destroying her perfect body. I especially will not give a vaccine

mearly because it's a fad or standard operating procedure. No longer

do I allow foreign substances into my child's body without first

understanding what it will/could do to them AND seeing a need for

the substance.

If I could turn back time I would not allow any vaccines, esp the

hepB, the one in which she was damaged. Nor would I allow a vaccine

that could very well be responsible for Allie to not be allowed to

eat wheat or dairy, probably for the rest of her 4 yr old life.

Unless I feel God telling me to vaccinate or feel her life is

threatened with a particular disease, I will probably never get

Dinah vaccinated.

That is what I am doing, now that I know what I wish I'd known then.

Debi

>

> I thank you for your time in reading this posting, and please share

> the wisdom you have acquired. Knowing what you know now - if you

> were in their shoes, what would you do?

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

This is a difficult spot to be in. I find more and more that I am

telling parents not to have vaccinations, at least until their child

is over two. My first instinct when I was pregnant w/ my 5 yo was to

not have him vaccinated. I allowed my pediatrician to talk me into

it, and I definitely regret it. He got at least two vaccs., at 2 mo

and 4 mo which contained thimerosal. He was just recently dx w/

autism, PDD-NOS. The thing that really bothers me is that there is so

much information about how dangerous thimerosal is, and if I had just

done a little more research, we would not be in this situation.

It sounds like this child could definitely be on his way to an autism

dx. I don't know how you could tactfully suggest to the parents that

they should consider some alternative treatment/testing. If they are

to be reading this, as you say, I would tell them to NOT give any

more vaccinations, do a hair test, and start treating him NOW to

avoid his condition getting worse.

All things considered, I have a great life. But the guilt I feel for

allowing my son to be damaged is like a knife in my heart, every day.

e

> Dear Parents,

>

> This is a fairly involved one time posting that I hope you will

take

> the time to read.

>

> I work at a Family Practice Clinic and have a patient there I am

very

> concerned about.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Knowing what I know now, there is no way I can recommend for anyone

to have ANY VACCINE, PERIOD. With vaccines, the unknown is around

the corner. You never know what the outcome is going to be. Are you

willing to take that chance? That your child may never be the same?

That even though before the vaccine your child is healthy, that he or

she may suddenly become chronically ill after the vaccine?

People have no idea what it is like to have a vaccine injured child

unless they have lived it. Every time your child is suffering, which

is nearly always, you, the parent, are suffering with them. Nothing

ameloriates the pain that I feel to see my son suffering the way he

does. I took away his health and happiness when I took him to have

the MMR booster at age 12, because there was a serious measles

epidemic here in town. I also lost one of my best friends.

At age 18, my son has severe autism and heavy metals including

arsenic and mercury; and the consequences for him are a very poor

immune system, chronic runny nose and ears, symptoms of high

histamine, extremely poor sulfation status, poor absorption of

minerals and vitamins, no eye contact, ongoing fearfulness of people,

can't handle wheat and gluten, because his enzymes are bound up with

the mercury poisoning; can't handle eggs, phenols, and other

additives, because they make his nose run and also make him fearful

of people; can't handle olive oil, because it suppresses his

sulfation; can't listen to t.v. or radio, because they hurt his ears;

can't play on the musical keyboard for the same reason, and has

acquired dyslexia due to the swollen ears.

Because of all the above, we, as a family, are strained. My husband

has cancer and I have chronic fatigue, but we are never giving up on

trying new therapies on him.

We have been treating symptom by symptom and also have worked on

removing the cause of some of the symptoms. All of his symptoms are

much less, and he actually is getting and feeling better and better

every day. I can see his strength improving more and more and, he

cooperates a lot with his treatments. Chelation has helped a lot.

After learning a lot over the last few years, on how to help my son,

I feel a pot of gold is waiting for us at the end of the rainbow.

I hope this helps.

Rose

> Dear Parents,

>

> This is a fairly involved one time posting that I hope you will

take

> the time to read.

>

> I work at a Family Practice Clinic and have a patient there I am

very

> concerned about.

>

> is 22 month old with severe eczema that was non-responsive to

> any treatment, but cleared a great deal with the discontinuation of

> milk. He has begun to have fairly regular problems with wheezing

(no

> official diagnosis of asthma). has a very light complexion.

> His behavior is very normal for his age. He has a brother who the

> parents initially thought might be autistic. This is no longer a

> concern for the family; as his brother began speaking at 4 years

old

> and is very bright and very verbal. I am not qualified to make a

> diagnosis of Asperger's – but 's parents will be reading about

> this to see if it strikes them in any way. needed " caught up "

> on his immunizations. The immunizations were proceeded with very

> slowly rather than catching up all at once – ran fevers and

had

> worsening eczema shots. We checked for anemia (because he is

so

> pale) and checked a copper, zinc and ceruloplasmin. His lab work

> came back showing very mild anemia, a copper in the 160's and a

zinc

> in the 40's, and a copper/zinc ratio of 3.6. is due for his

> MMR. I have openly expressed my concerns to 's parents, but as

> you all know, the depth and knowledge about autism / risks is not

> well understood in most of the medical community. 's parents

are

> very bright, and obviously love their children very much. However,

I

> am concerned that due to the poor understanding among the medical

> community my theories may sound a little " out there " – any second

> opinions they may receive, especially being well networked due to

> their occupations (nurse and respiratory therapist), may not

support

> my recommendations. This is especially true because does not

> have anything definite in terms of an autism spectrum diagnosis,

and

> he has normal behavior. I can't tell you how many times I have

heard

> people say I wish I had known what I know now. I know how well

> versed all of you are in the causation theories and I'm sure you

> would share my concerns. I told 's parents that I would hope

> they would talk to other parents before they proceeded with any

> vaccinations. 's parents are willing to take nutrients to

> correct what is obvious in terms of his copper and zinc. We will

> also be discussing in further detail casein / gluten free diets,

> although I'm sure you can imagine how difficult that would be to

> implement without clear cut diagnosis or symptoms to motivate you.

>

> I thank you for your time in reading this posting, and please share

> the wisdom you have acquired. Knowing what you know now - if you

> were in their shoes, what would you do?

[Guest guest]

-Rose,

we have been through many of the same issues with our 4 year old son

as you have had with yours, and you have even more. My heart goes out

to you and your family and we feel your pain. I have a 9 year old " NT "

daughter who is one of my best and favorite companions and we will NOT

be giving her the boosters at 12. It is stories like yours that need

to get out so that people understand that it is not just babies that

are affected. Many many people don't know that a child can have this

happen later on...... Bless you and your fight.

Patti

-- In , " christianity20 "

<christianity20@y...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Knowing what I know now, there is no way I can recommend for anyone

> to have ANY VACCINE, PERIOD. With vaccines, the unknown is around

> the corner. You never know what the outcome is going to be. Are you

> willing to take that chance? That your child may never be the same?

> That even though before the vaccine your child is healthy, that he or

> she may suddenly become chronically ill after the vaccine?

>

> People have no idea what it is like to have a vaccine injured child

> unless they have lived it. Every time your child is suffering, which

> is nearly always, you, the parent, are suffering with them. Nothing

> ameloriates the pain that I feel to see my son suffering the way he

> does. I took away his health and happiness when I took him to have

> the MMR booster at age 12, because there was a serious measles

> epidemic here in town. I also lost one of my best friends.

>

> At age 18, my son has severe autism and heavy metals including

> arsenic and mercury; and the consequences for him are a very poor

> immune system, chronic runny nose and ears, symptoms of high

> histamine, extremely poor sulfation status, poor absorption of

> minerals and vitamins, no eye contact, ongoing fearfulness of people,

> can't handle wheat and gluten, because his enzymes are bound up with

> the mercury poisoning; can't handle eggs, phenols, and other

> additives, because they make his nose run and also make him fearful

> of people; can't handle olive oil, because it suppresses his

> sulfation; can't listen to t.v. or radio, because they hurt his ears;

> can't play on the musical keyboard for the same reason, and has

> acquired dyslexia due to the swollen ears.

>

> Because of all the above, we, as a family, are strained. My husband

> has cancer and I have chronic fatigue, but we are never giving up on

> trying new therapies on him.

>

> We have been treating symptom by symptom and also have worked on

> removing the cause of some of the symptoms. All of his symptoms are

> much less, and he actually is getting and feeling better and better

> every day. I can see his strength improving more and more and, he

> cooperates a lot with his treatments. Chelation has helped a lot.

>

> After learning a lot over the last few years, on how to help my son,

> I feel a pot of gold is waiting for us at the end of the rainbow.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

> > Dear Parents,

> >

> > This is a fairly involved one time posting that I hope you will

> take

> > the time to read.

> >

> > I work at a Family Practice Clinic and have a patient there I am

> very

> > concerned about.

> >

> > is 22 month old with severe eczema that was non-responsive to

> > any treatment, but cleared a great deal with the discontinuation of

> > milk. He has begun to have fairly regular problems with wheezing

> (no

> > official diagnosis of asthma). has a very light complexion.

> > His behavior is very normal for his age. He has a brother who the

> > parents initially thought might be autistic. This is no longer a

> > concern for the family; as his brother began speaking at 4 years

> old

> > and is very bright and very verbal. I am not qualified to make a

> > diagnosis of Asperger's – but 's parents will be reading about

> > this to see if it strikes them in any way. needed " caught up "

> > on his immunizations. The immunizations were proceeded with very

> > slowly rather than catching up all at once – ran fevers and

> had

> > worsening eczema shots. We checked for anemia (because he is

> so

> > pale) and checked a copper, zinc and ceruloplasmin. His lab work

> > came back showing very mild anemia, a copper in the 160's and a

> zinc

> > in the 40's, and a copper/zinc ratio of 3.6. is due for his

> > MMR. I have openly expressed my concerns to 's parents, but as

> > you all know, the depth and knowledge about autism / risks is not

> > well understood in most of the medical community. 's parents

> are

> > very bright, and obviously love their children very much. However,

> I

> > am concerned that due to the poor understanding among the medical

> > community my theories may sound a little " out there " – any second

> > opinions they may receive, especially being well networked due to

> > their occupations (nurse and respiratory therapist), may not

> support

> > my recommendations. This is especially true because does not

> > have anything definite in terms of an autism spectrum diagnosis,

> and

> > he has normal behavior. I can't tell you how many times I have

> heard

> > people say I wish I had known what I know now. I know how well

> > versed all of you are in the causation theories and I'm sure you

> > would share my concerns. I told 's parents that I would hope

> > they would talk to other parents before they proceeded with any

> > vaccinations. 's parents are willing to take nutrients to

> > correct what is obvious in terms of his copper and zinc. We will

> > also be discussing in further detail casein / gluten free diets,

> > although I'm sure you can imagine how difficult that would be to

> > implement without clear cut diagnosis or symptoms to motivate you.

> >

> > I thank you for your time in reading this posting, and please share

> > the wisdom you have acquired. Knowing what you know now - if you

> > were in their shoes, what would you do?