Crown

[Guest guest]

My hair test results show very, very high levels of silver. I have

dental amalgams which apparently had silver and mercury. Does this mean

that silver has come out? And mercury as well?

I want to change my crown to non-metallic. My dentist suggested a

compound called zirconium dioxide (which has unkown toxicity). Can

someone advice me of good non-metallic options for crown?

Regards,

AJ

[Guest guest]

Dear Pat,

The best bet is to talk first with your dr. and then your dentist. I think getting the crown and avoiding infection would outweigh the aggravation of prednisone. But I'm not the expert, however one of the qualifying factors for a tx is teeth with no disease, eg. cavities, infections.

Go for it and get plenty of pain reducers during and after (;your dr. will have an opinion on those, I suspect).

Keep smiling,

Amy

[Guest guest]

Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want metal

in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.

I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision I

make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go with

it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root

canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good

replacement in mind.

I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but

there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this will

change over the next few years and more will use it.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see

benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.

Best wishes

Steph

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 17:45:30

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want metal

in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.

I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision I

make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go with

it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root

canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good

replacement in mind.

I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but

there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this will

change over the next few years and more will use it.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steph, I will. Leaning towards the Lava Crown although I read a couple of

notes from dentists who don't recommend them for molars. I emailed 3m who makes

them to see what they say.

Steve

>

> Hi Steve

>

> Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see

> benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Steph

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> ________________________________

> From: torch369 <torch369@...>

>

> Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 17:45:30

> Subject: Re: Crown

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>  

> Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want

metal

> in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.

> I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision

I

> make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go

with

> it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

> As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root

> canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good

> replacement in mind.

> I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but

> there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this

will

> change over the next few years and more will use it.

> Steve

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[Guest guest]

Good idea Steve - hopefully they will be able to give you accurate information

to help with making your decision. Keep us posted.

BW

Steph

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Sat, 11 September, 2010 15:49:01

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Thanks Steph, I will. Leaning towards the Lava Crown although I read a couple of

notes from dentists who don't recommend them for molars. I emailed 3m who makes

them to see what they say.

Steve

>

> Hi Steve

>

> Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see

> benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: torch369 <torch369@...>

>

> Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 17:45:30

> Subject: Re: Crown

>

>  

> Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want

>metal

>

> in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.

> I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision

I

>

> make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go

>with

>

> it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

> As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root

> canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good

> replacement in mind.

> I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but

> there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this

will

>

> change over the next few years and more will use it.

> Steve

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say lava

Crowns are fine for Molars.

The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for

molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and

wouldn't recommend them.

I'm leaning towards the lava right now.

> >

> > Hi Steve

> >

> > Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see

> > benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

I hate to suggest this - but you need to think along these lines - but the

makers of Belleglass will naturally say that their products are suitable for

your needs bcause they want to make a sale - the other side of the coin is, why

is your holistic dentist so keen to use the lava crowns and not keen to use the

belleglass one? is it possible that he has some sort of tie in deal with a lava

crowns supplier? Your dentist is a medical professional but is also keen to

make money. So what I am saying is you need to put your own health and your own

needs first and do as much research as you can and don't hurry to some sort of

treatment that at the back of your mind you have niggling doubts about - have

you checked out with other dentists online what they think of the belleglass

crown and its suitability for a molar? I haven't looked up the belleglass crown

but must give it a google.

best wishes

Steph

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:53:48

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Hi Steph,

They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say lava

Crowns are fine for Molars.

The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for

molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and

wouldn't recommend them.

I'm leaning towards the lava right now.

> >

> > Hi Steve

> >

> > Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see

> > benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

Actually he wants to use a Porcelain fused to Gold Crown, not the Lava. I

suggested the Lava to him. He said the Gold will be stronger than the Lava in

the Molar area and because I have bruxism. His Gold supplier uses 88% Gold, 9.5%

Platinum, .75% Silver and 1.75% Iron flakes. There is no Palladium. It is called

Elite II by Aurident.

I haven't received much feedback about the Belleglass, but if it's weaker than

the Lava which it seems to be then it porbably won't be good.

I have been asking around and some say lava is fine, some recommend the Gold,

one said that he would prefer using an all zirconium Crown, with no porcelain at

all.

Here is the email reply I just received from Lava. It seems like they may be

saying that Lava isn't indicated for molars when bruxism exists, but they didn't

spell it out. I am SO confused!

Thank you for contacting 3M ESPE Dental Products. Certain indications for

Lava are not recommended for patients who experience bruxism. This is per

the Instructions for use. It is ultimatly up to your Dental Professional

to determine the best restoration for you.

Best Regards,

3M ESPE Customer Care Center

1-800-634-2249

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

At least the lava people got back to you albeit with information that doesn't

help your cause much. If you are keen on the Lava crown I wonder could you go

back to them and ask them what the indications are that they are referring to

since they just state this without going into any detail, and could they be

overcome by wearing a bite guard at night? I have bruxism too and wake up in the

middle of the night with my teeth clamped so tight that I am surprised they are

still there in the morning. My dentist said she could get me a bit guard made to

wear while I am sleeping, and I am wondering if something like that would

therefore offer more protection to your crowns on a molar tooth? Could your

dentist maybe advise on that?

I feel for you I really do because I know almost for certain based on the

experiences I had had this week alone that a lot of my problems are stemming

from a badly fitted crown [and possibly the adjacent RC tooth]. I'm not happy

about either of them in my mouth and if I thought that I would have less ES in

general, better health and a reduction in certain of my most troubling ES

symtoms which seem to stem from those 2 teeth then I would have no compunction

about having them extracted and just leaving a gap - on the premise that you

can't have everything, and you have to prioritise what you need the most - full

set of teeth? or less teeth and bit better health? and maybe just maybe some

time down the line the technology will come along which will enable new teeth to

be created and implanted. I don't think that is too far fetched. Knowing what I

know about my own health I wouldn't want to have any metals at all in my mouth

including a crown with 88% gold in it. What you could do is try that crown - see

how it goes and if it is bothering you get it removed - but that is pricey and

then leaves you in an even bigger quandary of " what do I do now? " I know it must

be confusing but keep researching and don't feel rushed or pressured into

treatment you aren't happy about .

Good luck Steve

BW

Steph

 

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Wed, 15 September, 2010 17:40:44

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Hi Steph,

Actually he wants to use a Porcelain fused to Gold Crown, not the Lava. I

suggested the Lava to him. He said the Gold will be stronger than the Lava in

the Molar area and because I have bruxism. His Gold supplier uses 88% Gold, 9.5%

Platinum, .75% Silver and 1.75% Iron flakes. There is no Palladium. It is called

Elite II by Aurident.

I haven't received much feedback about the Belleglass, but if it's weaker than

the Lava which it seems to be then it porbably won't be good.

I have been asking around and some say lava is fine, some recommend the Gold,

one said that he would prefer using an all zirconium Crown, with no porcelain at

all.

Here is the email reply I just received from Lava. It seems like they may be

saying that Lava isn't indicated for molars when bruxism exists, but they didn't

spell it out. I am SO confused!

Thank you for contacting 3M ESPE Dental Products. Certain indications for

Lava are not recommended for patients who experience bruxism. This is per

the Instructions for use. It is ultimatly up to your Dental Professional

to determine the best restoration for you.

Best Regards,

3M ESPE Customer Care Center

1-800-634-2249

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't

make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be

vague.

I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will

mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made for

whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and tried

to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so I

hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!

I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an option

because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.

Steve

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[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

Maybe the nightguard might be more specifically designed to avoid the type of

irritation you got to the RC tooth when you used the whitening tray - is the

whitening tray intended to be used all night?

When do you think you will be having this procedure done if you go ahead with

it?

BW

Steph

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Thu, 16 September, 2010 19:16:57

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Hi Steph,

I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't

make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be

vague.

I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will

mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made for

whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and tried

to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so I

hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!

I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an option

because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.

Steve

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[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

My dentist actually said the same thing, that it will be custom molded so it

won't irritate it. What I wonder is what if i have that tooth removed and get a

bridge or implant, does that make the nightguard ineffective then? I will ask

him because it is going to cost $500 for it (ridiculous). The whitening tray was

only meant to be used for an hour but that was mainly due to the whitening

material not so much the tray itself. i had to cut it down because it was

reaching my gumline and didn't feel comfortable. I assume the custom night guard

will be much better.

As for the crown, it's still between the lava and Elite II Porelain fused to

Gold. According to 3m they don't seem to recommend the Lava for Molars even

though some docs say it's OK. My doc really would prefer I go with the Elite II

for longevity. It may also be because less tooth is needed for it to fit

properly and I don't have much tooth left.

I'm going on Wednesday so i have to make up my mind soon.

Very stressful!

>

> Hi Steve

>

> Maybe the nightguard might be more specifically designed to avoid the type of

> irritation you got to the RC tooth when you used the whitening tray - is the

> whitening tray intended to be used all night?

>

>

> When do you think you will be having this procedure done if you go ahead with

> it?

>

> BW

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: torch369 <torch369@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, 16 September, 2010 19:16:57

> Subject: Re: Crown

>

>  

> Hi Steph,

> I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't

> make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be

> vague.

> I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will

> mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made

for

> whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and

tried

> to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so

I

> hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!

> I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an

option

> because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

I think the best thing to do re the night guard would be to not get it moulded

until you have had all the major dental work that you intend to get done

completed - otherwise you could be in a situation where you have to keep getting

it remade which would just be waaaay too expensive - i had no idea that is how

much they cost - much though I would like one now I will wait to get mine until

all my dental work is done and that way I don't think there would be too much by

way of dental changes if, after that, I had to get a filling replaced etc. But I

would imagine that if you were to order one now and then had a bridge or impant

that would be too major a change to re-use an existing guard and you would prob

need to order a new one. Wednesday is coming up soon - I hope that you make the

right decision for your needs - let me know how you get on and how you react to

whatever is finally fitted - hopefully you won't get any reactions at all which

would be great.

BW

Steph

________________________________

From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 15:57:38

Subject: Re: Crown

 

Hi Steph,

My dentist actually said the same thing, that it will be custom molded so it

won't irritate it. What I wonder is what if i have that tooth removed and get a

bridge or implant, does that make the nightguard ineffective then? I will ask

him because it is going to cost $500 for it (ridiculous). The whitening tray was

only meant to be used for an hour but that was mainly due to the whitening

material not so much the tray itself. i had to cut it down because it was

reaching my gumline and didn't feel comfortable. I assume the custom night guard

will be much better.

As for the crown, it's still between the lava and Elite II Porelain fused to

Gold. According to 3m they don't seem to recommend the Lava for Molars even

though some docs say it's OK. My doc really would prefer I go with the Elite II

for longevity. It may also be because less tooth is needed for it to fit

properly and I don't have much tooth left.

I'm going on Wednesday so i have to make up my mind soon.

Very stressful!

>

> Hi Steve

>

> Maybe the nightguard might be more specifically designed to avoid the type of

> irritation you got to the RC tooth when you used the whitening tray - is the

> whitening tray intended to be used all night?

>

>

> When do you think you will be having this procedure done if you go ahead with

> it?

>

> BW

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: torch369 <torch369@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, 16 September, 2010 19:16:57

> Subject: Re: Crown

>

>  

> Hi Steph,

> I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't

> make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be

> vague.

> I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will

> mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made

for

>

> whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and

>tried

>

> to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so

>I

>

> hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!

> I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an

option

>

> because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

I was think about that myself. I will ask him about it but I don't want to wait

too long since the grinding may mess up whatever work I'm doing now. maybe he

adjusts it for free? I will find out.

I believe I have decided to go with the Gold fused to porcelain. If i force him

to use the lava and something happens to it I will be screwed. besides even 3m

itself mentions they are not the best for molars. Now, if there was plenty of

tooth left and this was my first crown i wouldn't be too concerned about that,

but this is my last shot. This crown needs to last.

I read up on the emf and galvanics of Gold and it appears to be fine as long as

no other metals are present (for instance an amalgam under the crown), or

nickel, palladium, etc. I am going to be replacing all my crowns with this same

material. The root canal tooth getting extracted will be the last thing I do

(and not looking forward to it at all!).

I will let you all know how it goes but it will take at least 2 weeks for it to

be made. Wednesday is the prep day (I've had a temp crown there for about a

month).

Steve

>

> Hi Steve

>

> I think the best thing to do re the night guard would be to not get it moulded

> until you have had all the major dental work that you intend to get done

> completed - otherwise you could be in a situation where you have to keep

getting

> it remade which would just be waaaay too expensive - i had no idea that is how

> much they cost - much though I would like one now I will wait to get mine

until

> all my dental work is done and that way I don't think there would be too much

by

> way of dental changes if, after that, I had to get a filling replaced etc. But

I

> would imagine that if you were to order one now and then had a bridge or

impant

> that would be too major a change to re-use an existing guard and you would

prob

> need to order a new one. Wednesday is coming up soon - I hope that you make

the

> right decision for your needs - let me know how you get on and how you react

to

> whatever is finally fitted - hopefully you won't get any reactions at all

which

> would be great.

>

> BW

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>