Re: Re: Digest Number 2720

[Guest guest]

I believe this is called blind false libralisiam. The thought that government is

free and is not to make a profit.

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Re: Re: Digest Number 2720

In a message dated 6/13/05 11:12:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

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> Let us not get too altruistic. All view whether money is made or not,

from

> a business stand point. Government agencies view it just as private

entities

> view it. There are a few differences when come tax time. This is the

only

> difference.

That's just not true. A government EXPECTS to spend money (i.e.

" lose " money) on the services it provides - such as a streets

department, solkd waste services, library, fire department, police

department, etc. All of those have cost recovery measures built in -

from library fees to traffic tickets to ems billing to alarm

response/permit costs. But, governments still " lose " as much money as

they have taxes coming in.

For-profti businesses, however, are in business to make a profit.

Mike

Wrong Mike. All businesses whether city or private look at the whole

picture. Governmental entities have other ways (i.e. taxes) that private

industry

does not. This is used to assist in making their venture profitable.

All entities use the tax system to it's fullest extent. Make no doubt about

that.

Yes their are other ways to recoup the loss or show where it is meeting a

need.

But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

[Guest guest]

I believe this is called blind false libralisiam. The thought that government is

free and is not to make a profit.

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Re: Re: Digest Number 2720

In a message dated 6/13/05 11:12:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

>

> Let us not get too altruistic. All view whether money is made or not,

from

> a business stand point. Government agencies view it just as private

entities

> view it. There are a few differences when come tax time. This is the

only

> difference.

That's just not true. A government EXPECTS to spend money (i.e.

" lose " money) on the services it provides - such as a streets

department, solkd waste services, library, fire department, police

department, etc. All of those have cost recovery measures built in -

from library fees to traffic tickets to ems billing to alarm

response/permit costs. But, governments still " lose " as much money as

they have taxes coming in.

For-profti businesses, however, are in business to make a profit.

Mike

Wrong Mike. All businesses whether city or private look at the whole

picture. Governmental entities have other ways (i.e. taxes) that private

industry

does not. This is used to assist in making their venture profitable.

All entities use the tax system to it's fullest extent. Make no doubt about

that.

Yes their are other ways to recoup the loss or show where it is meeting a

need.

But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

[Guest guest]

Which governments in Texas make a profit? Can you name a profitable

city, or county? And if you can, why aren't they doing the civicly

responsible thing and lowering taxes to reduce what they take from

their citizens if they don't need it?

Mike

>

> But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

> serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.

[Guest guest]

Which governments in Texas make a profit? Can you name a profitable

city, or county? And if you can, why aren't they doing the civicly

responsible thing and lowering taxes to reduce what they take from

their citizens if they don't need it?

Mike

>

> But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

> serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.

[Guest guest]

No, it's called libertarianism... the thought that government should

only take from the people that which it needs to meet their needs, and

that which they require. Taking more than you need? That's

corruption... or liberalism... whichever you prefer to call it.

Especially when your aim is to " re-distribute " that which you didn't

need, but took in the first place.

Mike

> I believe this is called blind false libralisiam. The thought that government

is free and is not to make a profit.

>

>

>

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> Re: Re: Digest Number 2720

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/05 11:12:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> paramedicop@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > Let us not get too altruistic. All view whether money is made or not,

> from

> > a business stand point. Government agencies view it just as private

> entities

> > view it. There are a few differences when come tax time. This is the

> only

> > difference.

>

> That's just not true. A government EXPECTS to spend money (i.e.

> " lose " money) on the services it provides - such as a streets

> department, solkd waste services, library, fire department, police

> department, etc. All of those have cost recovery measures built in -

> from library fees to traffic tickets to ems billing to alarm

> response/permit costs. But, governments still " lose " as much money as

> they have taxes coming in.

>

> For-profti businesses, however, are in business to make a profit.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

> Wrong Mike. All businesses whether city or private look at the whole

> picture. Governmental entities have other ways (i.e. taxes) that private

industry

> does not. This is used to assist in making their venture profitable.

>

> All entities use the tax system to it's fullest extent. Make no doubt

about

> that.

>

> Yes their are other ways to recoup the loss or show where it is meeting a

> need.

> But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

> serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.

>

> Danny L.

> Owner/NREMT-P

> Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

> (PETSAR)

> Office

> FAX

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just to play devil's advocate, how can one even determine if a governmental

entity is producing a surplus or a deficit? So many governments have multiple

budgets (general fund, capital projects, enterprise funds, etc) that Enron looks

almost simple. Within most governments' budgets, differing factions rob to

pay . For example, I know that one regional governmental entity in the

Central Texas area has a print shop that charges program areas within the entity

for their printing. Hence, the print shop " makes " money, while the other areas

of the agency " pay " money. It's all a game with the internal accounting.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Austin, Texas

Re: Re: Digest Number 2720

Which governments in Texas make a profit? Can you name a profitable

city, or county? And if you can, why aren't they doing the civicly

responsible thing and lowering taxes to reduce what they take from

their citizens if they don't need it?

Mike

>

> But don't kid yourself for one minute that continual losses (unless they

> serve a purpose) are tolerated even at the governmental level.