Re: Fwd: SCD - / Feingold and enzymes

[Guest guest]

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From my understanding after reading Elaine's book " Breaking the Vicious

Cycle " , the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet, simple sugar molecule diet) will

eventually HEAL the gut and the enzymes will start working on their own again.

Right now the enzymes are not working because the microvilli in the intestine

are blocked from excess mucous and the bad bacteria is fed every time you eat a

di or poly sacharide.

(SCDiet.com, breakingtheviciouscycle.com)

If you use enzymes instead of healing from within, it will only be like a

bandaid to the problem: ie: using topical ointments for eczema: it might heal

it temporarily, but in the long run you are not getting to the root of the

problem.

Jacq

In a message dated 9/13/03 11:38:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

defelice@... writes:

> That is what I noticed...that most of these restrictive diets, no

> matter which one you pick, really get you into *not* buying highly

> processed foods with lots of additives. (GFCF enthusiasts have

> managed to get around that one though if they buy lots of pre-made

> stuff.)

>

> So in doing this, you cook more wholesome 'natural and organic'

> additive-free food. Thus you do a Feingold-type diet by default (or

> Failsafe). It makes sense to see if a Feingold approach up front

> might be helpful. It might be the more 'toxic' additives and not the

> actual wholesome food that is the problem.

>

> Another issue is that diet take out foods that are not sufficiently

> digested. So if you take digestive enzymes, you can be accomplishing

> the same thing of getting the food sufficiently digested. This is

> likely the basis why digestive enzymes are working so incredibly

> well. So if you put really wholesome 'clean' food in the diet, then

> insure proper digestion with enzymes, you accomplish what most diets

> attempt to do.

>

> You may still need to eliminate a food or two, or rearrange some

> foods to get the nutrition you need, but this drastically cuts down

> on the number of foods and food groups needing to be eliminated.

> Some people just like being on diets, but others do not. The

> strategy above greatly enhances the number of choices you have in

> finding a strategy appropriate and workable for your family.

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/09/2003 16:57:41 GMT Daylight Time, Jacquiec1@...

writes:

> If you use enzymes instead of healing from within, it will only be like a

> bandaid to the problem: ie: using topical ointments for eczema: it might

> heal

> it temporarily, but in the long run you are not getting to the root of the

> problem.

>

And if your kid won;t eat SCD foods, take enzymes and still get to the root

of the problem. We did

[Guest guest]

That is what I noticed...that most of these restrictive diets, no

matter which one you pick, really get you into *not* buying highly

processed foods with lots of additives. (GFCF enthusiasts have

managed to get around that one though if they buy lots of pre-made

stuff.)

So in doing this, you cook more wholesome 'natural and organic'

additive-free food. Thus you do a Feingold-type diet by default (or

Failsafe). It makes sense to see if a Feingold approach up front

might be helpful. It might be the more 'toxic' additives and not the

actual wholesome food that is the problem.

Another issue is that diet take out foods that are not sufficiently

digested. So if you take digestive enzymes, you can be accomplishing

the same thing of getting the food sufficiently digested. This is

likely the basis why digestive enzymes are working so incredibly

well. So if you put really wholesome 'clean' food in the diet, then

insure proper digestion with enzymes, you accomplish what most diets

attempt to do.

You may still need to eliminate a food or two, or rearrange some

foods to get the nutrition you need, but this drastically cuts down

on the number of foods and food groups needing to be eliminated.

Some people just like being on diets, but others do not. The

strategy above greatly enhances the number of choices you have in

finding a strategy appropriate and workable for your family.

.

Info on Feingold:

www.feingold.org

Feingold-Program4us

Info on Failsafe:

http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/

Info on enzymes:

www.enzymestuff.com

[Guest guest]

>>> If you use enzymes instead of healing from within, it will only

be like a bandaid to the problem: ie: using topical ointments for

eczema: it might heal it temporarily, but in the long run you are

not getting to the root of the problem.

I do not believe this is correct at all. Digestive enzymes are known

for pro-actively healing the gut. Proteases are known (with much

literature support for decades) for wound healing and reducing

inflammation on their own. They are used with cancerous tumors and

in arthrist because of their pro-active healing properties. Because

they operate like this in addition to food breakdown (the same

strategy as eliminating foods), you can accomplish the same thing -

perhaps much quicker. There are some studies in piglets showing that

adding enzymes to their typical diet reduced the 'barrier' you

mentioned, reduced bacteria, and enhanced digestion and improved

overall health.

This is also why enzymes added to a GFCF diet almost always brings

additional improvement, and why a good number of people using

Peptizyde instead of GFCF see better improvement once off the diet

with enzymes. I also found it interested that the SCD promotes the

use of special yogurt (providing probiotics and enzymes) and many

say the 'real healing' begins when the yogurt is added, not just

with the food eliminations. So they encourage people to get on the

yogurt as soon as possible.

Enzymes can actually restore your body's normal enzyme production so

you do not need enzymes any more, or far less. I used to need to

give my sons enzymes all of the time, but now one of my son's no

longer needs enzyme supplements at all, and the other needs

Peptizyde with dairy only some of the time. The other half of the

time he does not need enzymes with dairy. So this indicates

substantial gut healing just with enzymes alone (but I also reduced

the number of artificials in the diet, try to avoid hydrogenated

oils)

.

[Guest guest]

Kids are not very good at being stoic or ascetic, and few parents are

interested in forcing them to be. If a few enzymes permit a relaxed

attitude towards food they are well worth it. The issue is what

works, not moralistic questions of should, shouldn't, good, or bad for

doing it " the right way " or some other way.

Andy . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .

> writes:

>

> > If you use enzymes instead of healing from within, it will only be

like a

> > bandaid to the problem: ie: using topical ointments for eczema:

it might

> > heal

> > it temporarily, but in the long run you are not getting to the

root of the

> > problem.

> >

>

> And if your kid won;t eat SCD foods, take enzymes and still get to

the root

> of the problem. We did

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

[Guest guest]

what does it mean if even if we are eating foods with enzymes we still get sick?

the diet alone doesn't do it but the enzymes alone don't do it.

So we need both enzymes and the diet. sometimes diet and enzymes together don't

work completely.

What does this mean? Could he be indeed celiac or some ther bowel problems on

top of asd.

How long will this last?

Don't get me wrong we have improved greatly. Before the bathroom trips and

stomachache were hourly but now it is just once or twice a week.

They so greatly want to eat normal foods but my kids are scared to consume

anything now for fear of pain.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

> what does it mean if even if we are eating foods with enzymes we

still get sick?

It means your body does not tolerate the food and it is NOT because of

improper digestive action.

Here is my son's example:

He did not tolerate orange/green foods, even with enzymes. So I

continued to use enzymes for other food issues, and did not give him

orange/green foods. After about 18 months, I removed the enzymes

because he no longer needed them to eat foods. But he still could not

eat orange/green foods.

Recently I tried giving him a few foods he had previously been unable

to eat. He still has problems with those foods, but NOT if he eats

them with enzymes. So now I am back to giving enzymes with certain

foods, and now he can eat them.

Continuing chelation is what is helping my son with these issues.

> What does this mean? Could he be indeed celiac or some ther bowel

problems on top of asd.

If it is the gluten which is the problem, even with enzymes, it

*might* be celiac, or something else.

> How long will this last?

Until the cause of the intolerance is addressed, if it can be.

> They so greatly want to eat normal foods but my kids are scared to

consume anything now for fear of pain.

Try to keep a food journal of everything they eat, so you can figure

out which foods are causing problems even with enzymes.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> what does it mean if even if we are eating foods with enzymes we

still get sick? the diet alone doesn't do it but the enzymes alone

don't do it.

> So we need both enzymes and the diet.

Just means you are sensitive enough to need to do it that way. .. . ..

.. . . . . .. . . . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . ..

>sometimes diet and enzymes together don't work completely.

> What does this mean? Could he be indeed celiac or some ther bowel

problems on top of asd.

> How long will this last?

> Don't get me wrong we have improved greatly. Before the bathroom

trips and stomachache were hourly but now it is just once or twice a

week.

> They so greatly want to eat normal foods but my kids are scared to

consume anything now for fear of pain.

> Carolyn

>

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