Re: Hand Licking and Teeth Grinding

[Guest guest]

Barb, I haven't heard anything about the hand licking but I've heard for years

that B5 helps with teeth grinding

> Listmates,

I still need help in figuring out what is causing this with my son. These

two always seem to come together. We've tried magnesium, calcium,

B-vitamins etc.--everything that is recommended here--and nothing seems to help.

Has anyone found the solution to this?

Barb

[Guest guest]

A mom on the SID-DSI board said that manganese helped her child stop

teeth grinding, although you do want to be cautious with manganese

because there are 'toxicity' levels associated with it.

W

--- In , " romkemas " <jromkema@f...>

wrote:

> Listmates,

> I still need help in figuring out what is causing this with my

son. These two always seem to come together. We've tried magnesium,

calcium, B-vitamins etc.--everything that is recommended here--and

nothing seems to help. Has anyone found the solution to this?

> Barb

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some people lick their hands seeking salt. Also, take a look at his tongue.

Some do this to try to clear off the tongue. Does he have hypersensitive

hearing? Some grind to drown out other noises.

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Listmates,<BR>

I still need help in figuring out what is causing this with my son.  These two

always seem to come together.  We've tried magnesium, calcium, B-vitamins

etc.--everything that is recommended here--and nothing seems to help.  Has

anyone found the solution to this?<BR>

Barb<BR>

<BR>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " romkemas " <jromkema@f...>

wrote:

> Listmates,

> I still need help in figuring out what is causing this with my son.

These two always seem to come together. We've tried magnesium,

calcium, B-vitamins etc.--everything that is recommended here--and

nothing seems to help. Has anyone found the solution to this?

For one of my kids, he does one or both of these things when he eats a

food/supplement he does not tolerate, or if he has a yeast/bacteria

issue. Does not do it any more, thankfully.

Dana

[Guest guest]

In regards to teeth grinding, the following supplements are beneficial:

zinc, phosphorus, Vit C; alfalfa and kelp, both very high in

minerals--alfalfa because of their roots in excess of 120 feet deep in

the earth, and seaweed because the saltwater environment it grows in has

a very similar mineral profile and balance as the human blood.

Frequently when there is discomfort or tenderness in a tooth, or teeth,

whether it is because of

a)decay

b)hyperocclusion or misalignment of the arch form

c)inflammed periodontal ligament

d)hypersensitivity in the tooth

e)TMJ issues;

the natural response is to attempt to " grind " down the offending tooth,

or use " pressure anesthesia " (clenching) to relieve the annoyance.

Clenching is also a natural response to stress which is internalized

instead of expressed.

In regards to hand licking--I've had several parents of these kids who

were of " scientific background in several different disciplines " express

a belief that it is an attempt to " recycle " the water soluble minerals

which are being lost thru their movement to the surface of the skin.

Considering the skin is an organ of excretion, and most of these kids

suffer from mineral transport and utilization issues, it does make

sense. I'm sure this is not the only reason, but I am personally sure

that this has some specific value which has not yet been researched.

Dolphi

[ ] Hand Licking and Teeth Grinding

Listmates,

I still need help in figuring out what is causing this with my son.

These two always seem to come together. We've tried magnesium, calcium,

B-vitamins etc.--everything that is recommended here--and nothing seems

to help. Has anyone found the solution to this? Barb

[Guest guest]

I'm with you, babe! We have this off and on and when it's on, I am

practically desperate to figure out how to stop it! We've tried all the

recommended items, but then it seems to subside on its own? Maybe? Or

maybe the minerals finally get to him? I don't know, but I think for some

of our kiddos, it's one of their tough areas, instead of yeast overgrowth or

whatever.

Barb

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> > I just joined the group because I saw a few messages in the archives

> > that really hit home. One huge one was an exchange about hand licking

> > and teeth grinding. There was some speculation that salt cravings are

> > related. Has anyone had experience and success with any of these

> > behaviors? Its making me nuts!

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> For many kids, hand licking is zinc deficiency. For my #3, he did it

> when he ate a food or supplement he did not tolerate, or when he had a

> yeast problem.

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> For my #1, teeth grinding is lack of zinc and cal/mag.

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> Dana

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[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I am new to the group. Without knowing your child's

body weight, the following guidelines should give you

an idea:

1 mg. of Zinc per lb. of body weight,

5 mg. of Mag. per lb. of body weight,

20 mg. of Calcimum per lb. of body weight.

However, based on the testing you'll be doing, your

doctor should be able to tell you if you child needs

more or less of each of these. If your child is on

the GF/CF diet, you may need to give him/her more

calcium.

--- Karin Hepner <khepner@...> wrote:

> Dana, how do you know how much zinc/ca/mg to

> supplement with and how long does it take for you to

> see results? We will do testing, but I am not

> seeing our doctor until the end of the month. I am

> nervous about overdosing, especially with mg (and

> I'm told too much zinc can cause hyperactivity).

> The teeth grinding is going to send me through the

> roof.

>

> Karin

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> teeth grinding

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> > I just joined the group because I saw a few

> messages in the archives

> > that really hit home. One huge one was an

> exchange about hand licking

> > and teeth grinding. There was some speculation

> that salt cravings are

> > related. Has anyone had experience and success

> with any of these

> > behaviors? Its making me nuts!

>

>

> For many kids, hand licking is zinc deficiency.

> For my #3, he did it

> when he ate a food or supplement he did not

> tolerate, or when he had a

> yeast problem.

>

> For my #1, teeth grinding is lack of zinc and

> cal/mag.

>

> Dana

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[Guest guest]

Thats great. Thanks! I started him on zinc yesterday and he has not ground his

teeth all day. I am stunned. Coincidence? I'll give it a few more days.

Considering the fact that he usually spends most of his waking hours grinding, I

figure its got to be the zinc.

Now for the next question...any ideas for his other oral crazy thing...he has

been eating his shirt to the point where he is making holes in it. He shoves

the whole thing in his mouth. My OT says its sensory. Anyone have any other

opinions?

Karin

[ ] Re: hand licking and

> teeth grinding

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>

>

>

> > I just joined the group because I saw a few

> messages in the archives

> > that really hit home. One huge one was an

> exchange about hand licking

> > and teeth grinding. There was some speculation

> that salt cravings are

> > related. Has anyone had experience and success

> with any of these

> > behaviors? Its making me nuts!

>

>

> For many kids, hand licking is zinc deficiency.

> For my #3, he did it

> when he ate a food or supplement he did not

> tolerate, or when he had a

> yeast problem.

>

> For my #1, teeth grinding is lack of zinc and

> cal/mag.

>

> Dana

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[Guest guest]

Chewing the shirt is also lack of zinc..

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> teeth grinding

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> > I just joined the group because I saw a few

> messages in the archives

> > that really hit home. One huge one was an

> exchange about hand licking

> > and teeth grinding. There was some speculation

> that salt cravings are

> > related. Has anyone had experience and success

> with any of these

> > behaviors? Its making me nuts!

>

>

> For many kids, hand licking is zinc deficiency.

> For my #3, he did it

> when he ate a food or supplement he did not

> tolerate, or when he had a

> yeast problem.

>

> For my #1, teeth grinding is lack of zinc and

> cal/mag.

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> Dana

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[Guest guest]

Hi Karin,

We are all keeping our fingers crossed on the zinc therapy. About the mouthing:

have you tried the chewy braclets or necklaces. Basically they are those springy

plastic keychains. I order one from a company called Abilitations. It would clip

onto his shirt and had a plastic springy center and then a clear plastic tube at

the end. Until it came in the mail I just used the plastic springy key chains

you can buy at an Ace Hardware store. I was praying that the plastic was not

toxic, but it was better that metal paint covered matchbox cars. He is adjusting

to preschool and I noticed he was only doing in class and I didn't want him

ingesting all of those germs. You can also pick up one of those vibrating star

teethers at a Safeway. Hang in there.

Karin Hepner <khepner@...> wrote:

Thats great. Thanks! I started him on zinc yesterday and he has not ground his

teeth all day. I am stunned. Coincidence? I'll give it a few more days.

Considering the fact that he usually spends most of his waking hours grinding, I

figure its got to be the zinc.

Now for the next question...any ideas for his other oral crazy thing...he has

been eating his shirt to the point where he is making holes in it. He shoves

the whole thing in his mouth. My OT says its sensory. Anyone have any other

opinions?

Karin

[ ] Re: hand licking and

> teeth grinding

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>

>

>

> > I just joined the group because I saw a few

> messages in the archives

> > that really hit home. One huge one was an

> exchange about hand licking

> > and teeth grinding. There was some speculation

> that salt cravings are

> > related. Has anyone had experience and success

> with any of these

> > behaviors? Its making me nuts!

>

>

> For many kids, hand licking is zinc deficiency.

> For my #3, he did it

> when he ate a food or supplement he did not

> tolerate, or when he had a

> yeast problem.

>

> For my #1, teeth grinding is lack of zinc and

> cal/mag.

>

> Dana

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[Guest guest]

> Dana, how do you know how much zinc/ca/mg to supplement with and how

long does it take for you to see results?

I gave zinc until it went away. Then about a week or so later, it

came back, and I added cal/mag. Then it went away again.

>>We will do testing, but I am not seeing our doctor until the end of

the month. I am nervous about overdosing, especially with mg (and I'm

told too much zinc can cause hyperactivity).

Too much magnesium causes diarrhea, not many other side effects.

Others have posted some good " general rules " about doses to consider.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Now for the next question...any ideas for his other oral crazy

thing...he has been eating his shirt to the point where he is making

holes in it. He shoves the whole thing in his mouth. My OT says its

sensory. Anyone have any other opinions?

This can also be zinc. Give it a few days, and if it does not

improve, try increasing the zinc.

It can also be food/supplement intolerance, or yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Not Dana here but my son takes a lot of magnesium to help with his

constipation and my GI doctor told me to be very careful in not

overdosing the magnesium. If it is a poorly absorbed form of

magnesium (like megnesium citrate) then you will probably get diahrea

so you know when you are overdosing. But if you give magnesium

chelated or other well absorbed form of magnesium then you are not

going to see the diahrea.

I got his from the web (sorry do not have the source anymore):

" Symptoms of magnesium toxicity:

Diarrhea at large dosages of poorly absorbed forms (like Epsom

salts). Disturbed nervous system function because the calcium-to-

magnesium ratio is unbalanced; catharsis, hazard to persons with poor

kidney function. "

HTH,

> Dana, how do you know how much zinc/ca/mg to supplement with and

how long does it take for you to see results? We will do testing,

but I am not seeing our doctor until the end of the month. I am

nervous about overdosing, especially with mg (and I'm told too much

zinc can cause hyperactivity). The teeth grinding is going to send

me through the roof.