Re: 3 rounds with ALA added...questions re:behavior

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In a message dated 17/09/2003 04:19:50 GMT Daylight Time, shaferkeeg@...

writes:

> . My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

>

Regardless of what the Stool test shows, sounds like gut bugs to me. Does he

have any rashes or patches of dry skin? Change in stools?

[Guest guest]

How much does he weight? 25 mg of ALA for a 5 yo seems a lot to me.

You could try a lower dose and see how he does.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Are you using probiotics? The symptoms sound like yeast, but I wonder if the

bad bacteria are a problem, too. In any case, probiotics really help. Andy

told me about how important probiotocs are, so my daughter takes 120 Billion

CFUs (colony forming units) per day. We give 4-5 Culturelles (the 20 Billion

per capsule type) and Pro-Bio-Gold for the rest. That gut issue has become a

non-problem for our daughter--but we will continue to give her the probiotics

for at least another year or two.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy.

For my son, which would be either yeast or too much copper [ALA tends

to elevate copper, try adding zinc]

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

I have just finished my son's 3rd round of ALA only. This is my

first experience chelating so I am not as knowledgable as some. I

have found though that my son is mouthing like he used to. I have

had to double his zinc supplements which has eliminated this

problem. I also found that he is more hyper on the first day or two

off so I have been giving him the GSE/No-Phenol combo for yeast which

has helped. Regardless, it seems the first day off he has a tendency

to revert to long forgotten behaviours (like feces smearing and

hitting his head). He seems to be sleepy more and hard to wake up in

the morning. He is however much more social, signing more, talking

more, is very happy and has great eye contact. His teacher has told

me she is amazed at how social he has become and how much more he is

talking. His ABA therapist said even though she is seeing behaviours

emerge usually on Mondays (the first day off) it is sooo worth it for

the incredible progress he is making.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

As I understand it, ALA is responsible for removing the mercury out of the

brain so that the DMSA can remove it from the tissues. (According to our

neurologist) So what you might be seeing is the results of mercury shifting

from the brain to the blood which is what you want so that the DMSA can then do

its job. We just finished our 2nd round of DMSA/ALA and saw some behavior

problems (meltdowns, aggression) and was reassured this is normal and it may see

things get worse before things get better.

I'm certainly not an expert still very new to this " Chelation stuff " but I hope

this tidbit helps.

caleb's mom

misterkeeg <shaferkeeg@...> wrote:

Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-25mg

every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't seen

in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use culturelle,

alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with the

metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input is

greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

My children are 6, 6, and 8 yo. They take 7 mg ALA with their DMSA.

They regressed due to redistribution on doses higher than 10 mg. 25

mg ALA is my adult dosage and I weigh 130 lbs and have been chelating

with ALA since last Nov. 25 mg ALA would definitely move mercury

INTO my kids' brains.

Kathy I.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

why dont you use ttfd soy free and gluathione gel transdermal, and high dose

amphotericin. akan israel rph

kadecare <kdironside@...> wrote:My children are 6, 6, and 8 yo. They

take 7 mg ALA with their DMSA.

They regressed due to redistribution on doses higher than 10 mg. 25

mg ALA is my adult dosage and I weigh 130 lbs and have been chelating

with ALA since last Nov. 25 mg ALA would definitely move mercury

INTO my kids' brains.

Kathy I.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

Alan Israel <leesilsby@...> wrote:why dont you use ttfd soy free and

gluathione gel transdermal, and high dose amphotericin. akan israel rph

kadecare <kdironside@...> wrote:My children are 6, 6, and 8 yo. They

take 7 mg ALA with their DMSA.

They regressed due to redistribution on doses higher than 10 mg. 25

mg ALA is my adult dosage and I weigh 130 lbs and have been chelating

with ALA since last Nov. 25 mg ALA would definitely move mercury

INTO my kids' brains.

Kathy I.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

Alan Israel <leesilsby@...> wrote:

Alan Israel <leesilsby@...> wrote:why dont you use ttfd soy free and

gluathione gel transdermal, and high dose amphotericin. akan israel rph

kadecare <kdironside@...> wrote:My children are 6, 6, and 8 yo. They

take 7 mg ALA with their DMSA.

They regressed due to redistribution on doses higher than 10 mg. 25

mg ALA is my adult dosage and I weigh 130 lbs and have been chelating

with ALA since last Nov. 25 mg ALA would definitely move mercury

INTO my kids' brains.

Kathy I.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

please forgive my ignorance but could someone explain the mercury redistribution

to the brain with DMSA/ALA with higher dosages? and what is the proper dosing

per weight?

Thanks:)

Alan Israel <leesilsby@...> wrote:

why dont you use ttfd soy free and gluathione gel transdermal, and high dose

amphotericin. akan israel rph

kadecare <kdironside@...> wrote:My children are 6, 6, and 8 yo. They

take 7 mg ALA with their DMSA.

They regressed due to redistribution on doses higher than 10 mg. 25

mg ALA is my adult dosage and I weigh 130 lbs and have been chelating

with ALA since last Nov. 25 mg ALA would definitely move mercury

INTO my kids' brains.

Kathy I.

--- In , " misterkeeg " <shaferkeeg@a...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This could be clostridia or some other bacteria. Stool test does not

show it, as it is anaerobic. You can try biocidin and culturelle

against it. You can do organic acid urine test to see if this is the

case. Could be yeast, stool test often does not show it correctly.

Margaret

> Hi everyone. I recently added ALA (25mg every 3 hours during day,

> every 4 hours at night) to our chelating (we've done 3 rounds with

> ALA added). We have been chelating with DMSA since last october-

25mg

> every 4 hours. Since then, I'm seeing some behavior changes that

> aren't thrilling me. My son (he's 5) is MUCH less social, has

> decreased in eye contact, and is exhibiting behaviors I haven't

seen

> in almost 2 years. He is fascinated with spinning objects and is

> obsessed with this one light up toy. He used to play with it

> functionally...matching color to color. Now all he wants to do is

> spin it. He is putting EVERYTHING in his mouth and licking

> everything. He just had a stool analysis at Great smokies and his

> yeast was only a 1+, his beneficial bacteria a 4+. We use

culturelle,

> alternating with probiogold and nystatin. He was parallel playing

> with other kids and starting to initiate play. Now he prefers to

be

> alone and gets mad if his routine during play is disturbed. My

> question is...does this sound like a problem with the ALA or with

the

> metals coming out?? I'm hoping this is temporary. We made alot of

> gains with dmsa and now we seem to be regressing again. Any input

is

> greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[Guest guest]

> please forgive my ignorance but could someone explain the mercury

redistribution to the brain with DMSA/ALA with higher dosages? and

what is the proper dosing per weight?

> Thanks:)

>

Redistribution can happen when chelation agents are not

given/taken often enough. Mercury is " freed up " but then

resettles, and goes to " high affinity " areas like the

brain.

" Andy's " dose timing is based on avoiding this. His

method is to give/take chelation agents often enough

to keep them steadily in the bloodstream for 2 or 3 days

or longer.

You can read about suggested dosages, here:

/files/Andy_dose_sched

You can read more about redistribution, here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

Look for the section about " keeping a steady level of chelation

agents and " bad " protocols " .

High doses of chelation agents have their own problems---- and,

of course, oftentimes people COMBINE high dosages with

not-often-enough dose timing, which can be quite disasterous.

good wishes,

Moria