Re: went to DAN doc today!!!

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In a message dated 5/30/2003 12:54:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

mglgm@... writes:

> Am I wrong to second guess him on the DMSA challenge? I thought that when I

>

> went he would welcome my questions and thoughts but he didnt. He told me he

> was

> the doctor and basically to stop reading too much into this and trust him.

Don't ever stop second guessing. This is when you get into trouble. You are

right to question the reason to do a so called " challenge " .

Jane

Mama to 6 (ASD) and 3 (NT-although does have sensory and gut

issues)

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>>>>>>>>Am I wrong to second guess him on the DMSA challenge? I thought that

when I went he would welcome my questions and thoughts but he didnt. He told me

he was the doctor and basically to stop reading too much into this and trust

him. What is the deal with these DAN doctors anyway?<<<<<<<<

No, you are not wrong. You must first remove the amalgams.

The deal with the DAN doctors? They are still doctors, and some doctors (many,

well most) have big chips on their shoulders. God forbid you question a

doctor..... In this case, you are the better educated one, so trust yourself,

and if he doesn't support you, then do it yourself, or move on to a different

doctor.

a

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In a message dated 5/30/2003 7:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pjand3kids@... writes:

> Andy is right. I met a great DAN doctor who was genuinely concerned for

> his patients. He began focusing on autistic patients and totally believed in

> the cause. Unfortunately, he worked in a general practice, and the other

> doctors began to put the squeeze on him and his nurse, who was equally

> knowledgeable and caring. The other doctors didn't like them thinking outside

of the

> box and not conforming to their " boys club " . They eventually had to leave the

> practice, well the nurse was essentially fired. She had began to refuse to

> vaccinate children, and thus....well you know. Any how, these types of

> doctors and nurses are few and far between. If they don't conform to their

> colleagues beliefs, they are singled out and essentially black balled.

>

> a

>

>

I know what your saying and agree but this doctor is strictly a nutritional

and wellness doctor. He used to practice regular medicine but now practices

nutritional medicine and says he specializes in Autism???? His practice consists

of a chelating room full of comfy recliners and people with IV's in their

arms. He is very deceiving because his literature and practice are " outside of

the

box " . I thought I struck gold with him. Guess not.

Lori

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WOuld you mind sharing the name of the DAN dr you saw?

> Hi everyone,

>

> I went back to the DAN doc today to discuss test results. I was

fortunate

> enough to have Andy and interpret them as well before I went.

While we

> found on the list that the results are conclusive/consistent of mercury

> poisoning the DAN doc wants to do a " DMSA challenge " as well. I

informed him that I

> was under the impression that he should not have any DMSA until his

dental

> fillings are removed and he said it didnt matter for a challenge? Is

this correct?

> Is it a matter of personal opinion or dosent DMSA draw out mercury in

> fillings. Will this DMSA challenge be helpful in any way; we know he

needs chelation

> so why a " DMSA challenge " ?

>

> Also, I asked him if the low zinc, low magnesium and low molybedum

were

> consistent for mercury toxity and he said it could be caused by a

million things!

> I also asked him about the disordered mineral transport and thyroid

issues

> and asked whether these were consistent of mercury poison - he

started getting

> ticked off ( atleast it seemed to me) he told me I am on the

internet too much

> and am getting caught up in the latest rave.

>

> Besides his suggesting the " DMSA challenge " everything else he

suggested was

> consistent with what we discussed on the list though.

>

> Am I wrong to second guess him on the DMSA challenge? I thought that

when I

> went he would welcome my questions and thoughts but he didnt. He

told me he was

> the doctor and basically to stop reading too much into this and

trust him.

> What is the deal with these DAN doctors anyway?

>

> Again, any help is appreciated.

> Lori

>

>

>

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> I went back to the DAN doc today to discuss test results. I was

fortunate

> enough to have Andy and interpret them as well before I went.

While we

> found on the list that the results are conclusive/consistent of

mercury

> poisoning the DAN doc wants to do a " DMSA challenge " as well. I

informed him that I

> was under the impression that he should not have any DMSA until his

dental

> fillings are removed and he said it didnt matter for a challenge? Is

this correct?

No.

You should thank the doctor for conclusively proving he doesn't know

anything at all about what he is doing and is very dangerous, then

don't see him again.

Challenge tests with filings in are dangerous.

Challenge tests have no diagnostic utility anyway, there is no reason

to do one.

> Is it a matter of personal opinion

Only among militant ignoramuses who don't know anything about medicine

or pharmacology. E. g. some people do believe it is a matter of

personal opinion whether the earth is round or flat, but it isn't.

>or dosent DMSA draw out mercury in fillings.

Yup.

>Will this DMSA challenge be helpful in any way;

No.

> we know he needs chelation so why a " DMSA challenge " ?

It lets the doctor go through some important scientific appearing ooga

booga stuff and pretend that he made a diagnosis.

> Also, I asked him if the low zinc, low magnesium and low molybedum

were

> consistent for mercury toxity and he said it could be caused by a

million things!

I see he also has no clinical experience with toxic kids. Is your kid

his first patient, or does he just ignore the tests he orders?

> I also asked him about the disordered mineral transport and thyroid

issues

> and asked whether these were consistent of mercury poison - he

started getting

> ticked off ( atleast it seemed to me) he told me I am on the

internet too much

> and am getting caught up in the latest rave.

The pot calling the kettle black. He is following the latest fad, the

stuff we are talking about has been around for many years.

> Besides his suggesting the " DMSA challenge " everything else he

suggested was

> consistent with what we discussed on the list though.

Good.

> Am I wrong to second guess him on the DMSA challenge?

No, you are right, he is wrong.

>I thought that when I

> went he would welcome my questions and thoughts but he didnt.

Of course not! Answering questions is relatively hard even when you

know what you are doing.

> He told me he was

> the doctor and basically to stop reading too much into this and

trust him.

Just like you trusted the doctor who poisoned your kids with mercury

laced vaccines?

That attitude alone makes him unable to help people and requires you

dump him and do it yourself or find another doctor who isn't hard of

listening if you want your kids to get better.

> What is the deal with these DAN doctors anyway?

They are MD's.

The MD religion is very evil.

Even the mostly good decent people who go to medical school to learn

to help people eventually do get brainwashed and abused into acting

this way. After a minimum of 8 years of brainwashing and emotional

abuse they are finally turned loose on the world. You can't help them

in an hour appointment, and you shouldn't have to pay to try.

> Again, any help is appreciated.

Dump this doctor. He can't help due to pe

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>>>>>>>>Even the mostly good decent people who go to medical school to learn to

help people eventually do get brainwashed and abused into acting this way.

After a minimum of 8 years of brainwashing and emotional abuse they are finally

turned loose on the world. You can't help them in an hour appointment, and you

shouldn't have to pay to try.

>>>>>>>>>

Andy is right. I met a great DAN doctor who was genuinely concerned for his

patients. He began focusing on autistic patients and totally believed in the

cause. Unfortunately, he worked in a general practice, and the other doctors

began to put the squeeze on him and his nurse, who was equally knowledgeable and

caring. The other doctors didn't like them thinking outside of the box and not

conforming to their " boys club " . They eventually had to leave the practice,

well the nurse was essentially fired. She had began to refuse to vaccinate

children, and thus....well you know. Any how, these types of doctors and nurses

are few and far between. If they don't conform to their colleagues beliefs,

they are singled out and essentially black balled.

a

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>>> The other doctors didn't like them thinking outside of the box

and not conforming to their " boys club " ...If they don't conform to

their colleagues beliefs, they are singled out and essentially

black balled.

Yes, but the dan club does the same exact thing to people who won't

conform (or pay up) to what they want. So they do the same thing.

.

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>

> Yes, but the dan club does the same exact thing to people who won't

> conform (or pay up) to what they want. So they do the same thing.

>

> .

AMEN!!!!!!!!

-Lissy

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Lori,

Do NOT do the challenge while your son has amalgam fillings in place. This doc

doesn't understand mercury poisoning or proper chelation. Consider doing

chelation on your own with the help of this group. Even after the mercury

fillings are out, a challenge is a bad idea unless you actually incorporate it

into the first round using Andy's dosage and schedule.

S

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Hi everyone, <BR>

<BR>

I went back to the DAN doc today to discuss test results. I was fortunate <BR>

enough to have Andy and interpret them as well before I went.   While we

<BR>

found on the list that the results are conclusive/consistent of mercury <BR>

poisoning the DAN doc wants to do a " DMSA challenge " as well. I informed him

that I <BR>

was under the impression that he should not have any DMSA until his dental <BR>

fillings are removed and he said it didnt matter for a challenge? Is this

correct? <BR>

Is it a matter of personal opinion or dosent DMSA draw out mercury in <BR>

fillings. Will this DMSA challenge be helpful in any way; we know he needs

chelation <BR>

so why a " DMSA challenge " ? <BR>

<BR>

Also, I asked him if the low zinc, low magnesium and  low molybedum were <BR>

consistent for mercury toxity and he said it could be caused by a million

things!  <BR>

I also asked him about the disordered mineral transport and thyroid issues <BR>

and asked whether these were consistent of mercury poison - he started getting

<BR>

ticked off ( atleast it seemed to me) he told me I am on the internet too much

<BR>

and am getting caught up in the latest rave. <BR>

<BR>

Besides his suggesting the " DMSA challenge " everything else he suggested was

<BR>

consistent with what we discussed on the list though. <BR>

<BR>

Am I wrong to second guess him on the DMSA challenge? I thought that when I <BR>

went he would welcome my questions and thoughts but he didnt. He told me he was

<BR>

the doctor and basically to stop reading too much into this and trust him. <BR>

What is the deal with these DAN doctors anyway?<BR>

<BR>

Again, any help is appreciated. <BR>

Lori

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> In a message dated 5/30/2003 7:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pjand3kids@j... writes:

>

> > Andy is right. I met a great DAN doctor who was genuinely

concerned for

> > his patients. He began focusing on autistic patients and totally

believed in

> > the cause. Unfortunately, he worked in a general practice, and

the other

> > doctors began to put the squeeze on him and his nurse, who was

equally

> > knowledgeable and caring. The other doctors didn't like them

thinking outside of the

> > box and not conforming to their " boys club " . They eventually had

to leave the

> > practice, well the nurse was essentially fired. She had began to

refuse to

> > vaccinate children, and thus....well you know. Any how, these

types of

> > doctors and nurses are few and far between. If they don't conform

to their

> > colleagues beliefs, they are singled out and essentially black

balled.

> >

> > a

> >

> >

>

> I know what your saying and agree but this doctor is strictly a

nutritional

> and wellness doctor.

Nope. Wrong. Error. He is an ACAM doctor. He does IV chelation for

heart disease and similar things.

>He used to practice regular medicine but now practices

> nutritional medicine and says he specializes in Autism????

He says that to get business, it isn't so. If it was so he wouldn't

have the room full of recliners. He specializes in EDTA chelation.

> His practice consists

> of a chelating room full of comfy recliners and people with IV's in

their

> arms. He is very deceiving because his literature and practice are

" outside of the

> box " . I thought I struck gold with him. Guess not.

Nope. You just found a different sect of the MD religion. The ACAM

church. Just like the AMA, but different dogma.

>

> Lori

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message ha

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--- In , " jornmatt " <defelice@t...>

wrote:

> >>> The other doctors didn't like them thinking outside of the box

> and not conforming to their " boys club " ...If they don't conform to

> their colleagues beliefs, they are singled out and essentially

> black balled.

>

> Yes, but the dan club does the same exact thing to people who won't

> conform (or pay up) to what they want. So they do the same thing.

>

> .

Yup.

AMA church.

DAN! church.

ACAM church.

We don't need a sermon, we need medical care. But doctors don't do

that any more, they preach and follow rituals.

Andy . . . . . . . . . .

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Do yourself a favor and learn from my $10,000 mistake. DAN! doctors follow

the chosen protocols (which may or may not be beneficial and even if they are,

may or may not be relevant to your individual child) They also order zillions

of tests to show them what you usually already know as a parent. Do yourself a

favor and learn everything you can and make your own choices about what to do.