Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Would, or should the " advanced care paramedic " be along the same lines as a field PA? Any thoughts? " Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote: > > ex. Paramedic - the standard; Paramedic Intern - certified to complete OJT > to meet the standard; Advanced Care Paramedic - a standard paramedic who > goes above and beyond the standard in a certain accepted discipline relating > to EMS -- has more autonomy. > This is the best idea I've read in a long time. I second this opinion. -Alfonso R. Ochoa --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Would, or should the " advanced care paramedic " be along the same lines as a field PA? Any thoughts? " Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote: > > ex. Paramedic - the standard; Paramedic Intern - certified to complete OJT > to meet the standard; Advanced Care Paramedic - a standard paramedic who > goes above and beyond the standard in a certain accepted discipline relating > to EMS -- has more autonomy. > This is the best idea I've read in a long time. I second this opinion. -Alfonso R. Ochoa --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Would, or should the " advanced care paramedic " be along the same lines as a field PA? Any thoughts? " Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote: > > ex. Paramedic - the standard; Paramedic Intern - certified to complete OJT > to meet the standard; Advanced Care Paramedic - a standard paramedic who > goes above and beyond the standard in a certain accepted discipline relating > to EMS -- has more autonomy. > This is the best idea I've read in a long time. I second this opinion. -Alfonso R. Ochoa --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 , I don't think that was the point. Officially, yes. A paramedic is an EMT-P. Fortunately, most paramedics that I know are striving to seperate themselves from the " technician " aspect. This also holds true to many other EMS providers (B's, I's and C's). The buzz phrase was " Try to be more of a CLINICIAN than a TECHNICIAN " . I think that's the point that many are trying to make. But, 's response was in fact directed at a post in which I asked about legal aspect of the " Licensed " Paramedic vs. the " Certified " Paramedic. I do not believe that he advocates algorithmic thoughtlessness over clinically-sound decision-making. Though, I will not speak for him. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:46 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Thank you Dr. Bledsoe for your input in this topic. So, is my point still valid? Is an LP still an EMT-P, I think so, therefor they are still an EMT. McGee, EMT-I Bledsoe wrote: Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 , I don't think that was the point. Officially, yes. A paramedic is an EMT-P. Fortunately, most paramedics that I know are striving to seperate themselves from the " technician " aspect. This also holds true to many other EMS providers (B's, I's and C's). The buzz phrase was " Try to be more of a CLINICIAN than a TECHNICIAN " . I think that's the point that many are trying to make. But, 's response was in fact directed at a post in which I asked about legal aspect of the " Licensed " Paramedic vs. the " Certified " Paramedic. I do not believe that he advocates algorithmic thoughtlessness over clinically-sound decision-making. Though, I will not speak for him. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:46 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Thank you Dr. Bledsoe for your input in this topic. So, is my point still valid? Is an LP still an EMT-P, I think so, therefor they are still an EMT. McGee, EMT-I Bledsoe wrote: Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 , I don't think that was the point. Officially, yes. A paramedic is an EMT-P. Fortunately, most paramedics that I know are striving to seperate themselves from the " technician " aspect. This also holds true to many other EMS providers (B's, I's and C's). The buzz phrase was " Try to be more of a CLINICIAN than a TECHNICIAN " . I think that's the point that many are trying to make. But, 's response was in fact directed at a post in which I asked about legal aspect of the " Licensed " Paramedic vs. the " Certified " Paramedic. I do not believe that he advocates algorithmic thoughtlessness over clinically-sound decision-making. Though, I will not speak for him. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:46 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Thank you Dr. Bledsoe for your input in this topic. So, is my point still valid? Is an LP still an EMT-P, I think so, therefor they are still an EMT. McGee, EMT-I Bledsoe wrote: Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Well, thank you. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Alfonso R. Ochoa Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:52 PM To: Subject: Re: JUST A BASIC > > ex. Paramedic - the standard; Paramedic Intern - certified to complete OJT > to meet the standard; Advanced Care Paramedic - a standard paramedic who > goes above and beyond the standard in a certain accepted discipline relating > to EMS -- has more autonomy. > This is the best idea I've read in a long time. I second this opinion. -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Sounds great. I am praying to get into a PA program upon completeion of my paramedic. This sounds like something very interesting to me, and I am sure a few others. " Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote: > Would, or should the " advanced care paramedic " be along the same lines as a field PA? Any thoughts? > > Somewhat along the lines yes, but more geared toward emergency medicine. -Alfonso R. Ochoa --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Sounds great. I am praying to get into a PA program upon completeion of my paramedic. This sounds like something very interesting to me, and I am sure a few others. " Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote: > Would, or should the " advanced care paramedic " be along the same lines as a field PA? Any thoughts? > > Somewhat along the lines yes, but more geared toward emergency medicine. -Alfonso R. Ochoa --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thank you Mike for your response. I did not intend to sound like I was advocating mindlessly following rote comands. I was only trying to state that we as a group share a common bond. A common thread, if you will, that binds us all togather as a group. I am advocating unification, not seperation. I want to see us all speak with one mighty voice, not seperated by our " superiority " over those classes we have passed. We are all EMT's, like it or not. It is how some of us view the word technician that seems to be at the root of this problem. The Merriam-Webster dictionary define technician as: tech·ni·cian Pronunciation: tek-'ni-sh & n Function: noun 1 : a specialist in the technical details of a subject or occupation <a computer technician> 2 : one who has acquired the technique of an art or other area of specialization <a superb technician and a musician of integrity -- Irving Kolodin> Wow, a specialist or one who has acquired the tschnique of an art, those sound pretty good to me. The American Heritage dictionary defines EMT as: emergency medical technician NOUN:abbr. EMT A person trained and certified to appraise and initiate the administration of emergency care for victims of trauma or acute illness before or during transportation of the victims to a health care facility via ambulance or aircraft. That sounds pretty good too. Come togather brothers and sisters, we need to stand togather and let the world hear our one unified voice. McGee, EMT-I Mike wrote: , I don't think that was the point. Officially, yes. A paramedic is an EMT-P. Fortunately, most paramedics that I know are striving to seperate themselves from the " technician " aspect. This also holds true to many other EMS providers (B's, I's and C's). The buzz phrase was " Try to be more of a CLINICIAN than a TECHNICIAN " . I think that's the point that many are trying to make. But, 's response was in fact directed at a post in which I asked about legal aspect of the " Licensed " Paramedic vs. the " Certified " Paramedic. I do not believe that he advocates algorithmic thoughtlessness over clinically-sound decision-making. Though, I will not speak for him. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:46 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Thank you Dr. Bledsoe for your input in this topic. So, is my point still valid? Is an LP still an EMT-P, I think so, therefor they are still an EMT. McGee, EMT-I Bledsoe wrote: Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thank you Mike for your response. I did not intend to sound like I was advocating mindlessly following rote comands. I was only trying to state that we as a group share a common bond. A common thread, if you will, that binds us all togather as a group. I am advocating unification, not seperation. I want to see us all speak with one mighty voice, not seperated by our " superiority " over those classes we have passed. We are all EMT's, like it or not. It is how some of us view the word technician that seems to be at the root of this problem. The Merriam-Webster dictionary define technician as: tech·ni·cian Pronunciation: tek-'ni-sh & n Function: noun 1 : a specialist in the technical details of a subject or occupation <a computer technician> 2 : one who has acquired the technique of an art or other area of specialization <a superb technician and a musician of integrity -- Irving Kolodin> Wow, a specialist or one who has acquired the tschnique of an art, those sound pretty good to me. The American Heritage dictionary defines EMT as: emergency medical technician NOUN:abbr. EMT A person trained and certified to appraise and initiate the administration of emergency care for victims of trauma or acute illness before or during transportation of the victims to a health care facility via ambulance or aircraft. That sounds pretty good too. Come togather brothers and sisters, we need to stand togather and let the world hear our one unified voice. McGee, EMT-I Mike wrote: , I don't think that was the point. Officially, yes. A paramedic is an EMT-P. Fortunately, most paramedics that I know are striving to seperate themselves from the " technician " aspect. This also holds true to many other EMS providers (B's, I's and C's). The buzz phrase was " Try to be more of a CLINICIAN than a TECHNICIAN " . I think that's the point that many are trying to make. But, 's response was in fact directed at a post in which I asked about legal aspect of the " Licensed " Paramedic vs. the " Certified " Paramedic. I do not believe that he advocates algorithmic thoughtlessness over clinically-sound decision-making. Though, I will not speak for him. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:46 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Thank you Dr. Bledsoe for your input in this topic. So, is my point still valid? Is an LP still an EMT-P, I think so, therefor they are still an EMT. McGee, EMT-I Bledsoe wrote: Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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