Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 It is not l-ps being better than emt's it is some l-p being better than other people including md's this will never change it is universal and appears more in the higher educated groups. Live with it and go on with your own life and stop trying to change a cow turd in to a diamond it isn't going happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > Mike > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Ahh, yes.... Higher education is the root of our difficulties. Let's eliminate all of the well-educated people. Pol Pot (or perhaps Robespierre) would have agreed. But then, I'll wager that some on this list think that Pol Pot is either available on the Chinese buffet or can be counteracted with Narcan. -Wes Re: Re: JUST A BASIC It is not l-ps being better than emt's it is some l-p being better than other people including md's this will never change it is universal and appears more in the higher educated groups. Live with it and go on with your own life and stop trying to change a cow turd in to a diamond it isn't going happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > Mike > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Ahh, yes.... Higher education is the root of our difficulties. Let's eliminate all of the well-educated people. Pol Pot (or perhaps Robespierre) would have agreed. But then, I'll wager that some on this list think that Pol Pot is either available on the Chinese buffet or can be counteracted with Narcan. -Wes Re: Re: JUST A BASIC It is not l-ps being better than emt's it is some l-p being better than other people including md's this will never change it is universal and appears more in the higher educated groups. Live with it and go on with your own life and stop trying to change a cow turd in to a diamond it isn't going happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > Mike > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:19:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: Socialite lawyers? I thought those were all in southern california... at least that's what I always see on tv! Wes and I had that conversation just the other night. All the female type TV legal beagles are stunning beauties it seems! Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Point well taken, Wes. ExLngHrn@... wrote: -- other than p*ssing points, why does it matter at this point? While we may agree that an LP possesses EMT skills, that would be like saying that all doctors are PAs, just because PAs and DOs/MDs share some common skill sets. Let's move beyond the feel-good sayings and the platitudes and work towards advancing EMS as a profession. Rodney King-like sayings of " Can't we all just get along? " show the other health care professions only how little EMS has progressed. Why aren't we discussing IMPORTANT matters like recent clinical research? And for God's sake people -- use the spell-check before you send out our emails. Misspelled emails serve only to cheapen what miniscule modicum of respect that we do possess. Professionally yours, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Point well taken, Wes. ExLngHrn@... wrote: -- other than p*ssing points, why does it matter at this point? While we may agree that an LP possesses EMT skills, that would be like saying that all doctors are PAs, just because PAs and DOs/MDs share some common skill sets. Let's move beyond the feel-good sayings and the platitudes and work towards advancing EMS as a profession. Rodney King-like sayings of " Can't we all just get along? " show the other health care professions only how little EMS has progressed. Why aren't we discussing IMPORTANT matters like recent clinical research? And for God's sake people -- use the spell-check before you send out our emails. Misspelled emails serve only to cheapen what miniscule modicum of respect that we do possess. Professionally yours, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 That is really cool, " he says as he pours a frosty cold one " ExLngHrn@... wrote: I'm not aware of a TexasBar-L type forum, no. Many of our discussions tend to be more academic and are covered in law reviews. As for social opportunities, there is a reason why it's called " the Bar. " (tongue firmly in cheek) -Wes In a message dated 6/13/2005 10:55:24 PM Central Daylight Time, summedic@... writes: Out of curiosity Wes, do all jurists agree most of the time? Is there a list where attorneys go to bitch, grip, and complain? Just wondering? McGee wrote: Point well taken, Wes. ExLngHrn@... wrote: -- other than p*ssing points, why does it matter at this point? While we may agree that an LP possesses EMT skills, that would be like saying that all doctors are PAs, just because PAs and DOs/MDs share some common skill sets. Let's move beyond the feel-good sayings and the platitudes and work towards advancing EMS as a profession. Rodney King-like sayings of " Can't we all just get along? " show the other health care professions only how little EMS has progressed. Why aren't we discussing IMPORTANT matters like recent clinical research? And for God's sake people -- use the spell-check before you send out our emails. Misspelled emails serve only to cheapen what miniscule modicum of respect that we do possess. Professionally yours, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 That is really cool, " he says as he pours a frosty cold one " ExLngHrn@... wrote: I'm not aware of a TexasBar-L type forum, no. Many of our discussions tend to be more academic and are covered in law reviews. As for social opportunities, there is a reason why it's called " the Bar. " (tongue firmly in cheek) -Wes In a message dated 6/13/2005 10:55:24 PM Central Daylight Time, summedic@... writes: Out of curiosity Wes, do all jurists agree most of the time? Is there a list where attorneys go to bitch, grip, and complain? Just wondering? McGee wrote: Point well taken, Wes. ExLngHrn@... wrote: -- other than p*ssing points, why does it matter at this point? While we may agree that an LP possesses EMT skills, that would be like saying that all doctors are PAs, just because PAs and DOs/MDs share some common skill sets. Let's move beyond the feel-good sayings and the platitudes and work towards advancing EMS as a profession. Rodney King-like sayings of " Can't we all just get along? " show the other health care professions only how little EMS has progressed. Why aren't we discussing IMPORTANT matters like recent clinical research? And for God's sake people -- use the spell-check before you send out our emails. Misspelled emails serve only to cheapen what miniscule modicum of respect that we do possess. Professionally yours, Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 You mean to tell me that they really aren't? lnmolino@... wrote: In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:19:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: Socialite lawyers? I thought those were all in southern california... at least that's what I always see on tv! Wes and I had that conversation just the other night. All the female type TV legal beagles are stunning beauties it seems! Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 McGee <summedic@y...> wrote: > You mean to tell me that they really aren't? Have you gotten a good look at Greta Van Susteren lately? Ugh! Whatever she spent on all that plastic surgery was a total waste. What about Gloria Allred? Would you hit that? Barf! Sorry... I digress. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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