Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 krin135@... wrote: Paramedics may save lives, but Basics save Paramedics! _____________________________________________________ I thought it was Paramedics may save lives, but EMT's save Paramedics. This will be getting off of the subject a little bit. One thing that I do like about the NSoP is that it will change the title of " EMT-B " to " Emergency Medical Technician " . I remember in 1990 when the NREMT changed the old EMT-A to EMT-B and everyone was then referred to as a " basic " . I personally do not like to use the " b-word " . Think about it, in any profession would you like to be a basic anything. Even if I were a garbage man I really wouldn't want to be just a basic garbage man. It may seam like a trivial point but does the term " just a basic " (something I hear of way too much) work against us when we try to recruit people into our profession? I never use the term basic always EMT and I hope people will think about this in the future. ajl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 NOTE: A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on the scene. It's a team. Holmes, NREMT-P , Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 NOTE: A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on the scene. It's a team. Holmes, NREMT-P , Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Then without a basic, you're worthless. <grin> Mike > What about those of us who work double paramedic trucks??? > > D. Stone > > > > NOTE: > > > > A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on the > > scene. It's a team. > > > > Holmes, NREMT-P > > , Texas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 That is how I took it also... D. Stone > > > NOTE: > > > > > > A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on the > > > scene. It's a team. > > > > > > Holmes, NREMT-P > > > , Texas > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 You are missing the boat on the " Basic Worship'' inherent in this thread......BUTCH UP! TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 " Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to type this assinine nonsense: > > Its not about political correctness its about professionalism - > something that you obviously lack. It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't even present a valid analogy involving garbage men! I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something different about my professionalism. Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic " to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too. While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through mistreatment by paramedics. Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal with being " just a basic. " Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 " Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to type this assinine nonsense: > > Its not about political correctness its about professionalism - > something that you obviously lack. It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't even present a valid analogy involving garbage men! I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something different about my professionalism. Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic " to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too. While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through mistreatment by paramedics. Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal with being " just a basic. " Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 " Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to type this assinine nonsense: > > Its not about political correctness its about professionalism - > something that you obviously lack. It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't even present a valid analogy involving garbage men! I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something different about my professionalism. Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic " to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too. While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through mistreatment by paramedics. Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal with being " just a basic. " Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Amen, Louis. I agree with Rob in that if you have a problem being " just a Basic " , then there are advancement opportunities out there. It takes alot of work and a fair amount of dedication, but it is definitely possible. Is it not in the best interest of a patient to recieve a continuum of care, from BLS all the way through the hospital. That has always been what I believed to be in the best interest of my patients anyway. This includes EMT-B's, Intermediates, and Paramedics in the pre-hospital setting. There is a place for all levels in patient care. Instead of arguing who's better than who, we should be finding a way to work together to better serve our patients. I know alot of EMT's who have remained at that level for numerous years, and are content with being " just a Basic " . These people are very good at their jobs and very dedicated to patient care. I have learned recently through scenarios in my Paramedic class that it is very easy for an Intermediate or Paramedic to forget the basics of patient care. Which is where all care should start. Just my 2 cents Graham, EMT-I lnmolino@... wrote: This the disintegration of thread into a name calling flame throwing match has once again proven my point about the " Us against them " mentality of EMS in general. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Amen, Louis. I agree with Rob in that if you have a problem being " just a Basic " , then there are advancement opportunities out there. It takes alot of work and a fair amount of dedication, but it is definitely possible. Is it not in the best interest of a patient to recieve a continuum of care, from BLS all the way through the hospital. That has always been what I believed to be in the best interest of my patients anyway. This includes EMT-B's, Intermediates, and Paramedics in the pre-hospital setting. There is a place for all levels in patient care. Instead of arguing who's better than who, we should be finding a way to work together to better serve our patients. I know alot of EMT's who have remained at that level for numerous years, and are content with being " just a Basic " . These people are very good at their jobs and very dedicated to patient care. I have learned recently through scenarios in my Paramedic class that it is very easy for an Intermediate or Paramedic to forget the basics of patient care. Which is where all care should start. Just my 2 cents Graham, EMT-I lnmolino@... wrote: This the disintegration of thread into a name calling flame throwing match has once again proven my point about the " Us against them " mentality of EMS in general. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 The point that I was trying to make is that the title " EMT-Basic " is the problem not the people or the scope of care for the position. I was an EMT before the national registry changed the title from EMT-A to EMT-B and I feel that the term " Basic " can be perceived as less than professional when seen by the general public. I WAS JUST TRYING TO START A DEBATE ON THE SUBJECT AND NOT START A " SCROTUM POLE " WAR - YOUR WORDS NOT MINE. This is what I based my assumption on your professionalism on. YOU chose not to debate but to attack. Since I received much less a debate I will remain a lurker on this list and keep my opinions to myself. ajl BTW even though you grill me for making assumptions you have made an incorrect assumption yourself. I have been a Paramedic since 1990. Re: JUST A BASIC " Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to type this assinine nonsense: > > Its not about political correctness its about professionalism - > something that you obviously lack. It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't even present a valid analogy involving garbage men! I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something different about my professionalism. Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic " to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too. While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through mistreatment by paramedics. Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal with being " just a basic. " Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. McGee, EMT-I __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us. McGee, EMT-I Mike wrote: No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages, A.A.S, LP. Mike > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT. > > > > Silsbee EMS wrote: > Texas Department of Health > Certifies that > D. > meets the requirements for > Paramedic > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > Mike > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work together like it or not... > > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere > > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. > > It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the State > Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally. > > Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to > interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to > residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the > motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a > hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists. > > The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because the > current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its > game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as > providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT, they > will. > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work together like it or not... > > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere > > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. > > It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the State > Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally. > > Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to > interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to > residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the > motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a > hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists. > > The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because the > current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its > game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as > providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT, they > will. > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Thank you . You exactly correct. We all have to work togather and get along. We are all in the same business, aren't we? wrote: Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work together like it or not... > > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere > > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. > > It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the State > Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally. > > Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to > interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to > residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the > motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a > hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists. > > The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because the > current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its > game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as > providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT, they > will. > > Rob --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 OK, gotta wade in, I humbly consider myself to be an ambulance driver with an extensive, intense and ongoing pre-hospital education. Is this really that big of a deal? , while you may be correct in focusing on the difference being a 'few' skills, you failed to mention that additional intense education to not only be good at it, but to understand why you are doing it, and what it is doing to the patient. So while we may be able to give medications, (1 skill) we have to understand each and every one, what it does, what it doesn't do, and what it does with other medications, when to give it and when not to, etc etc, you see my point. So there is a more complex difference between levels than 'a few skills'. This is not a personal issue, if some choose to make it so, that's your perogative. Some chose to continue their education, as did I. The primary reason was that I was no longer content being just a Basic. I have known some Basics in my career that have probably forgotten more than most will ever learn, but the truth was that they were limited in what they could accomplish on a patient due to their decision to reamin a Basic. We need to move on. Mike " The Ambulance Driver " Hatfield FF/AA (with a lot of edumikashun) From: [mailto: ]On Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work together like it or not... > > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere > > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. > > It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the State > Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally. > > Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to > interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to > residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the > motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a > hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists. > > The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because the > current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its > game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as > providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT, they > will. > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 OK, gotta wade in, I humbly consider myself to be an ambulance driver with an extensive, intense and ongoing pre-hospital education. Is this really that big of a deal? , while you may be correct in focusing on the difference being a 'few' skills, you failed to mention that additional intense education to not only be good at it, but to understand why you are doing it, and what it is doing to the patient. So while we may be able to give medications, (1 skill) we have to understand each and every one, what it does, what it doesn't do, and what it does with other medications, when to give it and when not to, etc etc, you see my point. So there is a more complex difference between levels than 'a few skills'. This is not a personal issue, if some choose to make it so, that's your perogative. Some chose to continue their education, as did I. The primary reason was that I was no longer content being just a Basic. I have known some Basics in my career that have probably forgotten more than most will ever learn, but the truth was that they were limited in what they could accomplish on a patient due to their decision to reamin a Basic. We need to move on. Mike " The Ambulance Driver " Hatfield FF/AA (with a lot of edumikashun) From: [mailto: ]On Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work together like it or not... > > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere > > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. > > It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the State > Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally. > > Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to > interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to > residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the > motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a > hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists. > > The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because the > current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its > game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as > providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT, they > will. > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher... Mike PS - Tongue in cheek, eh? > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us. > > McGee, EMT-I > > Mike wrote: > No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words > LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your > name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages, > A.A.S, LP. > > Mike > > > > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT. > > > > > > > > Silsbee EMS wrote: > > Texas Department of Health > > Certifies that > > D. > > meets the requirements for > > Paramedic > > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I have a new question then. How are we to ever come togather as a group, facing the challenges of the future of our careers if we can't even agree on what we are? We have to agree on a common ground. We must, or we are doomed to failure. Mike wrote: Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher... Mike PS - Tongue in cheek, eh? > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us. > > McGee, EMT-I > > Mike wrote: > No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words > LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your > name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages, > A.A.S, LP. > > Mike > > > > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT. > > > > > > > > Silsbee EMS wrote: > > Texas Department of Health > > Certifies that > > D. > > meets the requirements for > > Paramedic > > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I have a new question then. How are we to ever come togather as a group, facing the challenges of the future of our careers if we can't even agree on what we are? We have to agree on a common ground. We must, or we are doomed to failure. Mike wrote: Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher... Mike PS - Tongue in cheek, eh? > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us. > > McGee, EMT-I > > Mike wrote: > No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words > LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your > name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages, > A.A.S, LP. > > Mike > > > > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT. > > > > > > > > Silsbee EMS wrote: > > Texas Department of Health > > Certifies that > > D. > > meets the requirements for > > Paramedic > > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Re: Re: JUST A BASIC > > > > > > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT > > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. > > > > > > McGee, EMT-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I certainly do not understand the certification processes of States. With regard to certification, anyone can jump on an ambulance and work as a paramedic. If this is not true, then the State must have taken extra steps to protect the Scope of Practice in legislation. This makes for an obfuscated and redundant path to licensure. I truly wish everyone would just get on the same page and license pre-hospital providers. Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:55 AM To: Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 From a legal and scope of practice point, yes. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy! http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ Re: JUST A BASIC > Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are > better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the > levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference. > been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are > two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better > huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown > away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every > skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they > achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work > together like it or not... > There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working together or not. > > > -Alfonso R. Ochoa _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.