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Paramedics may save lives, but Basics save Paramedics!

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I thought it was Paramedics may save lives, but EMT's save Paramedics.

This will be getting off of the subject a little bit. One thing that I do like

about the NSoP is that it will change the title of " EMT-B " to " Emergency Medical

Technician " . I remember in 1990 when the NREMT changed the old EMT-A to EMT-B

and everyone was then referred to as a " basic " . I personally do not like to use

the " b-word " . Think about it, in any profession would you like to be a basic

anything. Even if I were a garbage man I really wouldn't want to be just a

basic garbage man.

It may seam like a trivial point but does the term " just a basic " (something I

hear of way too much) work against us when we try to recruit people into our

profession? I never use the term basic always EMT and I hope people will think

about this in the future.

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Then without a basic, you're worthless.

<grin>

Mike :)

> What about those of us who work double paramedic trucks???

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> D. Stone

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>

> > NOTE:

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> > A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on the

> > scene. It's a team.

> >

> > Holmes, NREMT-P

> > , Texas

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That is how I took it also...

D. Stone

> > > NOTE:

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> > > A paramedic is only as good as his Basic or Intermediate is on

the

> > > scene. It's a team.

> > >

> > > Holmes, NREMT-P

> > > , Texas

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" Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to

type this assinine nonsense:

>

> Its not about political correctness its about professionalism -

> something that you obviously lack.

It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge

necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions

for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't

even present a valid analogy involving garbage men!

I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something

different about my professionalism.

Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic "

to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of

being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to

paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too.

While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the

respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for

your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And

I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just

a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through

mistreatment by paramedics.

Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal

with being " just a basic. "

Rob

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" Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to

type this assinine nonsense:

>

> Its not about political correctness its about professionalism -

> something that you obviously lack.

It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge

necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions

for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't

even present a valid analogy involving garbage men!

I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something

different about my professionalism.

Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic "

to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of

being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to

paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too.

While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the

respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for

your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And

I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just

a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through

mistreatment by paramedics.

Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal

with being " just a basic. "

Rob

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" Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to

type this assinine nonsense:

>

> Its not about political correctness its about professionalism -

> something that you obviously lack.

It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge

necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions

for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't

even present a valid analogy involving garbage men!

I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something

different about my professionalism.

Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic "

to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of

being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to

paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too.

While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the

respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for

your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And

I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just

a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through

mistreatment by paramedics.

Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal

with being " just a basic. "

Rob

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Amen, Louis. I agree with Rob in that if you have a problem being " just a

Basic " , then there are advancement opportunities out there. It takes alot of

work and a fair amount of dedication, but it is definitely possible. Is it not

in the best interest of a patient to recieve a continuum of care, from BLS all

the way through the hospital. That has always been what I believed to be in the

best interest of my patients anyway. This includes EMT-B's, Intermediates, and

Paramedics in the pre-hospital setting. There is a place for all levels in

patient care. Instead of arguing who's better than who, we should be finding a

way to work together to better serve our patients. I know alot of EMT's who

have remained at that level for numerous years, and are content with being " just

a Basic " . These people are very good at their jobs and very dedicated to

patient care. I have learned recently through scenarios in my Paramedic class

that it is very easy for an Intermediate or Paramedic to

forget the basics of patient care. Which is where all care should start.

Just my 2 cents

Graham, EMT-I

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This the disintegration of thread into a name calling flame throwing match

has once again proven my point about the " Us against them " mentality of EMS in

general.

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Amen, Louis. I agree with Rob in that if you have a problem being " just a

Basic " , then there are advancement opportunities out there. It takes alot of

work and a fair amount of dedication, but it is definitely possible. Is it not

in the best interest of a patient to recieve a continuum of care, from BLS all

the way through the hospital. That has always been what I believed to be in the

best interest of my patients anyway. This includes EMT-B's, Intermediates, and

Paramedics in the pre-hospital setting. There is a place for all levels in

patient care. Instead of arguing who's better than who, we should be finding a

way to work together to better serve our patients. I know alot of EMT's who

have remained at that level for numerous years, and are content with being " just

a Basic " . These people are very good at their jobs and very dedicated to

patient care. I have learned recently through scenarios in my Paramedic class

that it is very easy for an Intermediate or Paramedic to

forget the basics of patient care. Which is where all care should start.

Just my 2 cents

Graham, EMT-I

lnmolino@... wrote:

This the disintegration of thread into a name calling flame throwing match

has once again proven my point about the " Us against them " mentality of EMS in

general.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(IFW Office)

(Cell Phone)

(IFW Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

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The point that I was trying to make is that the title " EMT-Basic " is the problem

not the people or the scope of care for the position. I was an EMT before the

national registry changed the title from EMT-A to EMT-B and I feel that the term

" Basic " can be perceived as less than professional when seen by the general

public. I WAS JUST TRYING TO START A DEBATE ON THE SUBJECT AND NOT START A

" SCROTUM POLE " WAR - YOUR WORDS NOT MINE. This is what I based my assumption on

your professionalism on. YOU chose not to debate but to attack. Since I

received much less a debate I will remain a lurker on this list and keep my

opinions to myself.

ajl

BTW even though you grill me for making assumptions you have made an incorrect

assumption yourself. I have been a Paramedic since 1990.

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" Alan Lambert " arose from his stupor long enough to

type this assinine nonsense:

>

> Its not about political correctness its about professionalism -

> something that you obviously lack.

It is obvious that you lack the education, experience, or personal knowledge

necessary to diagnose my level of professionalism. Substituting ASSumptions

for those qualifications does nothing for your credibility. Hell, you can't

even present a valid analogy involving garbage men!

I can tell you that EMT's I have partnered with would tell you something

different about my professionalism.

Would not the so-called " professionalism " you speak of lead " just a basic "

to further his or herself? I don't know about you, but when I got tired of

being " just a basic, " I did something more about it than whine. I went to

paramedic school. Every other EMT has that same option too.

While paramedics are certainly obligated to treat all partners with the

respect they have earned, they are under NO obligation to compensate for

your low self-esteem or lack of personal motivation to better yourself. And

I submit that a great many of those who are all pissed off about being " just

a basic " got that way through their own shortcomings, not through

mistreatment by paramedics.

Again, it's your problem, not the medics'. Either elevate your game or deal

with being " just a basic. "

Rob

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From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are Basics,

Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our certifications

read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least in the public

eye) EMT's. Just my opinion.

Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before

someone else does.

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I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and

have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting

that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us.

McGee, EMT-I

Mike wrote:

No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words

LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your

name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages,

A.A.S, LP.

Mike :)

> What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are you

allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would be:

EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT.

>

>

>

> Silsbee EMS wrote:

> Texas Department of Health

> Certifies that

> D.

> meets the requirements for

> Paramedic

> No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for

the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an

EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years.

>

>

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>

> correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT

> anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card.

>

> Mike :)

>

>

> > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are

Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our

certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least

in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion.

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> > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before

someone else does.

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Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

together like it or not...

> > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us

mere

> > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us.

>

> It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the

State

> Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally.

>

> Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to

> interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to

> residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the

> motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a

> hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists.

>

> The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because

the

> current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its

> game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as

> providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT,

they

> will.

>

> Rob

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Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

together like it or not...

> > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us

mere

> > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us.

>

> It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the

State

> Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally.

>

> Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to

> interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to

> residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the

> motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a

> hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists.

>

> The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because

the

> current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its

> game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as

> providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT,

they

> will.

>

> Rob

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Thank you . You exactly correct. We all have to work togather and get

along. We are all in the same business, aren't we?

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Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

together like it or not...

> > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us

mere

> > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us.

>

> It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the

State

> Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally.

>

> Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to

> interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to

> residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the

> motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a

> hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists.

>

> The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because

the

> current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its

> game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as

> providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT,

they

> will.

>

> Rob

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OK, gotta wade in, I humbly consider myself to be an ambulance driver with

an extensive, intense and ongoing pre-hospital education. Is this really

that big of a deal?

, while you may be correct in focusing on the difference being a 'few'

skills, you failed to mention that additional intense education to not only

be good at it, but to understand why you are doing it, and what it is doing

to the patient. So while we may be able to give medications, (1 skill) we

have to understand each and every one, what it does, what it doesn't do, and

what it does with other medications, when to give it and when not to, etc

etc, you see my point. So there is a more complex difference between levels

than 'a few skills'.

This is not a personal issue, if some choose to make it so, that's your

perogative. Some chose to continue their education, as did I. The primary

reason was that I was no longer content being just a Basic. I have known

some Basics in my career that have probably forgotten more than most will

ever learn, but the truth was that they were limited in what they could

accomplish on a patient due to their decision to reamin a Basic.

We need to move on.

Mike " The Ambulance Driver " Hatfield FF/AA (with a lot of edumikashun)

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Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

together like it or not...

> > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us

mere

> > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us.

>

> It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the

State

> Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally.

>

> Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to

> interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to

> residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the

> motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a

> hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists.

>

> The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because

the

> current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its

> game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as

> providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT,

they

> will.

>

> Rob

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OK, gotta wade in, I humbly consider myself to be an ambulance driver with

an extensive, intense and ongoing pre-hospital education. Is this really

that big of a deal?

, while you may be correct in focusing on the difference being a 'few'

skills, you failed to mention that additional intense education to not only

be good at it, but to understand why you are doing it, and what it is doing

to the patient. So while we may be able to give medications, (1 skill) we

have to understand each and every one, what it does, what it doesn't do, and

what it does with other medications, when to give it and when not to, etc

etc, you see my point. So there is a more complex difference between levels

than 'a few skills'.

This is not a personal issue, if some choose to make it so, that's your

perogative. Some chose to continue their education, as did I. The primary

reason was that I was no longer content being just a Basic. I have known

some Basics in my career that have probably forgotten more than most will

ever learn, but the truth was that they were limited in what they could

accomplish on a patient due to their decision to reamin a Basic.

We need to move on.

Mike " The Ambulance Driver " Hatfield FF/AA (with a lot of edumikashun)

From: [mailto: ]On

Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

together like it or not...

> > I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us

mere

> > EMT's, and have decided to distance themselves from us.

>

> It wasn't Mike's decision. The decision was made for him by the

State

> Of Texas. I'm sorry you're taking it so personally.

>

> Again, this is not unique to EMS. Residents are " far superior " to

> interns. Board certified attending physicians are " far superior " to

> residents. If they weren't, a great many people would lack the

> motivation to advance from their current status and we would have a

> hundred times as many GP's as we do board certified specialists.

>

> The only reason basic EMT's are the " life blood " of EMS is because

the

> current system allows it. If the system itself were to elevate its

> game, that would not necessarily remain the case. But as long as

> providers are allowed by law to staff with the cheaper basic EMT,

they

> will.

>

> Rob

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Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher...

Mike :)

PS - Tongue in cheek, eh?

> I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and

have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting

that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us.

>

> McGee, EMT-I

>

> Mike wrote:

> No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words

> LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your

> name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages,

> A.A.S, LP.

>

> Mike :)

>

>

> > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are

you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would

be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT.

> >

> >

> >

> > Silsbee EMS wrote:

> > Texas Department of Health

> > Certifies that

> > D.

> > meets the requirements for

> > Paramedic

> > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for

the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an

EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years.

> >

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> >

> >

> > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT

> > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card.

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are

Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our

certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least

in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion.

> > >

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> > >

> > > Live for today, tomarrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often

before someone else does.

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I have a new question then. How are we to ever come togather as a group, facing

the challenges of the future of our careers if we can't even agree on what we

are? We have to agree on a common ground. We must, or we are doomed to

failure.

Mike wrote:

Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher...

Mike :)

PS - Tongue in cheek, eh?

> I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and

have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting

that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us.

>

> McGee, EMT-I

>

> Mike wrote:

> No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words

> LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your

> name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages,

> A.A.S, LP.

>

> Mike :)

>

>

> > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are

you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would

be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT.

> >

> >

> >

> > Silsbee EMS wrote:

> > Texas Department of Health

> > Certifies that

> > D.

> > meets the requirements for

> > Paramedic

> > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for

the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an

EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years.

> >

> >

> >

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> > Re: Re: JUST A BASIC

> >

> >

> > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT

> > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card.

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

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> > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are

Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our

certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least

in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion.

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I have a new question then. How are we to ever come togather as a group, facing

the challenges of the future of our careers if we can't even agree on what we

are? We have to agree on a common ground. We must, or we are doomed to

failure.

Mike wrote:

Apology accepted. Now go fetch my stretcher...

Mike :)

PS - Tongue in cheek, eh?

> I give up. It is obvious that the LP's are far superior to us mere EMT's, and

have decided to distance themselves from us. I am sorry for even suggesting

that you might be an EMT or even have the same training as the rest of us.

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> McGee, EMT-I

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> Mike wrote:

> No, my official certification patch has a star of life and the words

> LICENSED PARAMEDIC. Texas has no law w.r.t. the letters after your

> name, and I, like most others, use LP - or for more formal usages,

> A.A.S, LP.

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> Mike :)

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> > What lettering is on your official certification patch? What letters are

you allowed by Texas law after your name? I believe the answer to both would

be: EMT-P. Therefor you are still an EMT.

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> > Silsbee EMS wrote:

> > Texas Department of Health

> > Certifies that

> > D.

> > meets the requirements for

> > Paramedic

> > No EMT on there any place, that is this years certification that I have for

the next 4 years if I don't do something wrong. I am looking at it I am not an

EMT any more. expires 07/31/08, 4 years.

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> > correction - the licensed paramedic documentation does not say EMT

> > anywhere on it - patch, certificate or card.

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> > Mike :)

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> > > From my point of view, we are ALL EMT's. It doesn't matter if we are

Basics, Intermediates, Paramedics, or Licensed Paramedics; all of our

certifications read " Emergency Medical Technician, therefor we are all (at least

in the public eye) EMT's. Just my opinion.

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> Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

> better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

> levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of

view. The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do

not forget the increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all

the difference. A perfect parallel in this discussion is the

difference between LVNs and RNs. The skill base is basically the

same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs can teach the how, RNs can

teach the why. " That makes all the difference.

> been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

> two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

> huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

> away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

> skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

> achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

> together like it or not...

>

There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of

the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules

and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with

working together or not.

>

>

>

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

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I certainly do not understand the certification processes of States. With

regard to certification, anyone can jump on an ambulance and work as a

paramedic. If this is not true, then the State must have taken extra steps

to protect the Scope of Practice in legislation. This makes for an

obfuscated and redundant path to licensure. I truly wish everyone would

just get on the same page and license pre-hospital providers.

Mike

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Behalf Of Bledsoe

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:55 AM

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Subject: RE: Re: JUST A BASIC

Certified. It was a smoke and mirrors thing by the TDH. There is no

functional legal difference between an LP and an EMT-P.

BEB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy!

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/

Re: JUST A BASIC

> Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

> better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

> levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view.

The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the

increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A

perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs.

The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs

can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference.

> been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

> two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

> huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

> away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

> skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

> achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

> together like it or not...

>

There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of

the matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules

and regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with

working together or not.

>

>

>

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

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From a legal and scope of practice point, yes.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy!

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/

Re: JUST A BASIC

> Well first of all whether or not the LP is this room think they are

> better or not is not the point. If you would actually look at the

> levels there is only the difference in a few skills. PS there have

Stop and look at the whole picture instead of your myopic point of view.

The difference might be a " few skills " as you put it, but do not forget the

increased didactic and clinical hours. Those make all the difference. A

perfect parallel in this discussion is the difference between LVNs and RNs.

The skill base is basically the same, however, a RN told me once that " LVNs

can teach the how, RNs can teach the why. " That makes all the difference.

> been studies that show patients carried by BLS/ALS trucks( which are

> two EMT/EMT-I's)have a better survial rate..... but LP are better

> huh.... I have seen and worked with EMT's who could and have blown

> away any LP on the street. There are good and back MEDICS at every

> skill level and just because a person is happy at the level that they

> achieved doesnt make anyone better or worse... WE all have to work

> together like it or not...

>

There are good and bad people in any profession. The simple fact of the

matter is the LP is considered a higher level of care by the rules and

regulations of the State of Texas. It has nothing to do with working

together or not.

>

>

>

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

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