Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:19:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, babyface355@... writes: Dumb question time, but why can't the doctor figure all this out for someone? Why do the doctors just wash their hands of their patients and let the patient work it out? This is not a dumb question. It is a good question, however there is not always a good answer. You have probably heard or you will soon hear that each person with diabetes is different. Diabetes is not a " one size fits all " . Doctors, educators, nutritionists give patients a food plan that works for some people, but there is not one that is going to work for everyone. Some people can eat potatoes, bread, oatmeal without any problems, others cannot. Some people can eat fruit, others cannot. Some people eat more carbs than others. That is the purpose of testing - to find out how foods affect us. There is no right or wrong food plan - it is finding a plan that works for you. Food is not the only thing that will affect our bg's. Stress, illness, lack of exercise, lack of sleep - all of these, plus I'm sure there are others, play a role in our bg readings. I would suggest that you call your doctor and ask for a prescription for a monitor and test strips. Then, as you eat a particular food, especially carbs, test two hours later. For instance, this morning you had oatmeal. You need to test and if you get a high reading, you can cut back on the amount of oatmeal the next time, then test. I eat oatmeal almost every weekday morning, but I can only have 1/3 cup dry. I cook that with water, Splenda and add cinnamon and blueberries, strawberries, etc. My bg's are around 90 when I have this. Other people cannot eat oatmeal at all. If anyway possible you need to get into a diabetes class or at least a session with a diabetes educator. She can help you with a food plan, but the bottom line is you will have to test to learn what you can and cannot eat. Once you get started, it will not take you long to learn to control diabetes. Don't let all the information overwhelm you. Take one day or one meal at a time. hugs Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:19:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, babyface355@... writes: Dumb question time, but why can't the doctor figure all this out for someone? Why do the doctors just wash their hands of their patients and let the patient work it out? This is not a dumb question. It is a good question, however there is not always a good answer. You have probably heard or you will soon hear that each person with diabetes is different. Diabetes is not a " one size fits all " . Doctors, educators, nutritionists give patients a food plan that works for some people, but there is not one that is going to work for everyone. Some people can eat potatoes, bread, oatmeal without any problems, others cannot. Some people can eat fruit, others cannot. Some people eat more carbs than others. That is the purpose of testing - to find out how foods affect us. There is no right or wrong food plan - it is finding a plan that works for you. Food is not the only thing that will affect our bg's. Stress, illness, lack of exercise, lack of sleep - all of these, plus I'm sure there are others, play a role in our bg readings. I would suggest that you call your doctor and ask for a prescription for a monitor and test strips. Then, as you eat a particular food, especially carbs, test two hours later. For instance, this morning you had oatmeal. You need to test and if you get a high reading, you can cut back on the amount of oatmeal the next time, then test. I eat oatmeal almost every weekday morning, but I can only have 1/3 cup dry. I cook that with water, Splenda and add cinnamon and blueberries, strawberries, etc. My bg's are around 90 when I have this. Other people cannot eat oatmeal at all. If anyway possible you need to get into a diabetes class or at least a session with a diabetes educator. She can help you with a food plan, but the bottom line is you will have to test to learn what you can and cannot eat. Once you get started, it will not take you long to learn to control diabetes. Don't let all the information overwhelm you. Take one day or one meal at a time. hugs Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:19:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, babyface355@... writes: Dumb question time, but why can't the doctor figure all this out for someone? Why do the doctors just wash their hands of their patients and let the patient work it out? This is not a dumb question. It is a good question, however there is not always a good answer. You have probably heard or you will soon hear that each person with diabetes is different. Diabetes is not a " one size fits all " . Doctors, educators, nutritionists give patients a food plan that works for some people, but there is not one that is going to work for everyone. Some people can eat potatoes, bread, oatmeal without any problems, others cannot. Some people can eat fruit, others cannot. Some people eat more carbs than others. That is the purpose of testing - to find out how foods affect us. There is no right or wrong food plan - it is finding a plan that works for you. Food is not the only thing that will affect our bg's. Stress, illness, lack of exercise, lack of sleep - all of these, plus I'm sure there are others, play a role in our bg readings. I would suggest that you call your doctor and ask for a prescription for a monitor and test strips. Then, as you eat a particular food, especially carbs, test two hours later. For instance, this morning you had oatmeal. You need to test and if you get a high reading, you can cut back on the amount of oatmeal the next time, then test. I eat oatmeal almost every weekday morning, but I can only have 1/3 cup dry. I cook that with water, Splenda and add cinnamon and blueberries, strawberries, etc. My bg's are around 90 when I have this. Other people cannot eat oatmeal at all. If anyway possible you need to get into a diabetes class or at least a session with a diabetes educator. She can help you with a food plan, but the bottom line is you will have to test to learn what you can and cannot eat. Once you get started, it will not take you long to learn to control diabetes. Don't let all the information overwhelm you. Take one day or one meal at a time. hugs Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 This is exactly how I feel. I test because I need to see how what I am eating is affecting my blood sugar. For instance, at first, I was eating a pop tart for breakfast, like 30 carbs, and my blood sugar would be around 250 after eating. I can eat 3 pancakes with sugar free syrup, 40 carbs, and it is around 120. I need to learn how certain foods affect my blood sugar. I am 27, so I have a long time to live with this, and I have to do something now to control it. I was reading that most diabetics get complications after about 10 years if it is not controlled. I will be 36 when that happens, my kids will be 11 and 13. I don't want to be blind, or loose a foot at 36 years old. So if that means that for now, I am testing 6- 8 times a day, then I am willing to do that. Yeah, I may be a little obsessive about it, but this is my health and future we are talking about. Mindy I did my own research and discovered many > others checking their blood level many times a day to see how their body > reacted to certain foods. Well, I had been eating oatmeal or other hot > cereal every day for I can't say how long. When I began testing upon > waking, before breakfast, 2 hrs later, then same for other meals and > bedtime, I finally discovered certain foods that were causing these huge > spikes. Guess what it was the oatmeal. To think I could have > eliminated this long ago kind of made me mad. I have now turned this > around in that those spikes are things I can avoid knowing to avoid > which foods. I think this is not something I will have to do forever > with so much testing, but until I have a good understanding of which > foods to avoid. After all these were healthy foods recommended to eat. > For instance I also discovered a mango would do the same thing. I > previously relied on just a morning fasting test and the A1C but > couldn't exactly see what the problem was. I also had to put up with a > bunch of nonsense from the doctor who thought I was cheating or fat and > lazy. It is definitely frustrating when you seem to be doing what you > should and not making progress. I have only done this for the past two > weeks and found amazing answers I needed. It may not be necessary for > everyone depending on A1C levels but mine got up to 11 so that scared > me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 This is exactly how I feel. I test because I need to see how what I am eating is affecting my blood sugar. For instance, at first, I was eating a pop tart for breakfast, like 30 carbs, and my blood sugar would be around 250 after eating. I can eat 3 pancakes with sugar free syrup, 40 carbs, and it is around 120. I need to learn how certain foods affect my blood sugar. I am 27, so I have a long time to live with this, and I have to do something now to control it. I was reading that most diabetics get complications after about 10 years if it is not controlled. I will be 36 when that happens, my kids will be 11 and 13. I don't want to be blind, or loose a foot at 36 years old. So if that means that for now, I am testing 6- 8 times a day, then I am willing to do that. Yeah, I may be a little obsessive about it, but this is my health and future we are talking about. Mindy I did my own research and discovered many > others checking their blood level many times a day to see how their body > reacted to certain foods. Well, I had been eating oatmeal or other hot > cereal every day for I can't say how long. When I began testing upon > waking, before breakfast, 2 hrs later, then same for other meals and > bedtime, I finally discovered certain foods that were causing these huge > spikes. Guess what it was the oatmeal. To think I could have > eliminated this long ago kind of made me mad. I have now turned this > around in that those spikes are things I can avoid knowing to avoid > which foods. I think this is not something I will have to do forever > with so much testing, but until I have a good understanding of which > foods to avoid. After all these were healthy foods recommended to eat. > For instance I also discovered a mango would do the same thing. I > previously relied on just a morning fasting test and the A1C but > couldn't exactly see what the problem was. I also had to put up with a > bunch of nonsense from the doctor who thought I was cheating or fat and > lazy. It is definitely frustrating when you seem to be doing what you > should and not making progress. I have only done this for the past two > weeks and found amazing answers I needed. It may not be necessary for > everyone depending on A1C levels but mine got up to 11 so that scared > me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 This is exactly how I feel. I test because I need to see how what I am eating is affecting my blood sugar. For instance, at first, I was eating a pop tart for breakfast, like 30 carbs, and my blood sugar would be around 250 after eating. I can eat 3 pancakes with sugar free syrup, 40 carbs, and it is around 120. I need to learn how certain foods affect my blood sugar. I am 27, so I have a long time to live with this, and I have to do something now to control it. I was reading that most diabetics get complications after about 10 years if it is not controlled. I will be 36 when that happens, my kids will be 11 and 13. I don't want to be blind, or loose a foot at 36 years old. So if that means that for now, I am testing 6- 8 times a day, then I am willing to do that. Yeah, I may be a little obsessive about it, but this is my health and future we are talking about. Mindy I did my own research and discovered many > others checking their blood level many times a day to see how their body > reacted to certain foods. Well, I had been eating oatmeal or other hot > cereal every day for I can't say how long. When I began testing upon > waking, before breakfast, 2 hrs later, then same for other meals and > bedtime, I finally discovered certain foods that were causing these huge > spikes. Guess what it was the oatmeal. To think I could have > eliminated this long ago kind of made me mad. I have now turned this > around in that those spikes are things I can avoid knowing to avoid > which foods. I think this is not something I will have to do forever > with so much testing, but until I have a good understanding of which > foods to avoid. After all these were healthy foods recommended to eat. > For instance I also discovered a mango would do the same thing. I > previously relied on just a morning fasting test and the A1C but > couldn't exactly see what the problem was. I also had to put up with a > bunch of nonsense from the doctor who thought I was cheating or fat and > lazy. It is definitely frustrating when you seem to be doing what you > should and not making progress. I have only done this for the past two > weeks and found amazing answers I needed. It may not be necessary for > everyone depending on A1C levels but mine got up to 11 so that scared > me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Too much protein and fat can also up the weight. pinksilk749 wrote:I think I get enough sugar, that is why I am overweight. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Too much protein and fat can also up the weight. pinksilk749 wrote:I think I get enough sugar, that is why I am overweight. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Too much protein and fat can also up the weight. pinksilk749 wrote:I think I get enough sugar, that is why I am overweight. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I wish you luck , you sound like a very strong person! And thanks for the information, too!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I wish you luck , you sound like a very strong person! And thanks for the information, too!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I wish you luck , you sound like a very strong person! And thanks for the information, too!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: " , Bruce " >A good thing about them, though, is that they are very FILLING. One feels >satisfied with far less of a protein or fat rich food than with a low-fat. >That is why I suggest, if you have your salad as a first course rather than >as a side, using full-fat dressing. You'll feel full afterwards and won't >eat as much of the main course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: diabetes [mailto:diabetes ]On Behalf > Of Angelia R. >> > Too many calories in the diet is what makes us fat. > Protein and fat are both calorie dense foods... > > Angelia in OR > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: " , Bruce " >A good thing about them, though, is that they are very FILLING. One feels >satisfied with far less of a protein or fat rich food than with a low-fat. >That is why I suggest, if you have your salad as a first course rather than >as a side, using full-fat dressing. You'll feel full afterwards and won't >eat as much of the main course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: diabetes [mailto:diabetes ]On Behalf > Of Angelia R. >> > Too many calories in the diet is what makes us fat. > Protein and fat are both calorie dense foods... > > Angelia in OR > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: " , Bruce " >A good thing about them, though, is that they are very FILLING. One feels >satisfied with far less of a protein or fat rich food than with a low-fat. >That is why I suggest, if you have your salad as a first course rather than >as a side, using full-fat dressing. You'll feel full afterwards and won't >eat as much of the main course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: diabetes [mailto:diabetes ]On Behalf > Of Angelia R. >> > Too many calories in the diet is what makes us fat. > Protein and fat are both calorie dense foods... > > Angelia in OR > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 now you are just picking at the way I say my words. Too much of anything is not goood. I realize that people who are more active need to eat more food, up the calorie intake... and those of us who arent that active dont need to eat that many. I guess that I should say that eating more calories than you use will cause you to be fat. Angelia in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: " S. " > > Actually Angelia, this is slightly off kilter. It's not too many > calories that makes us fat, it's our lack of metabolising the > calories that we eat. " Too much " is a completely subjective term. > Someone with a fast metabolism who exercises a lot can consume > buckets of calories and not put on weight (been there, done the 5000 > calories a day thing and still was like a string bean). > > Consumption of protein in the early morning can actually help to > speed up a slow metabolism and actually asist in weight loss. > > Everything is down to the individual though, we're all different. > > As long as people balance their protein intake with both carbs to > burn the protein and fibre to slow down absorption then weight > management should be ok. > > ttfn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I seldom, if ever, use 'low fat', 'lite', or 'fat free' versions of anything, because when you take out the fat it doesn't taste good--so to make it taste good, the manufacturers usually put sugar in. Re: What do you eat? I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I seldom, if ever, use 'low fat', 'lite', or 'fat free' versions of anything, because when you take out the fat it doesn't taste good--so to make it taste good, the manufacturers usually put sugar in. Re: What do you eat? I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I seldom, if ever, use 'low fat', 'lite', or 'fat free' versions of anything, because when you take out the fat it doesn't taste good--so to make it taste good, the manufacturers usually put sugar in. Re: What do you eat? I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 yes... I have noticed that!!! I would rather have the fat that makes me feel fuller longer!!! I HATE low fat ice cream... I would rather have a small bowl of full fat ice cream than a big bowl of low fat ice cream.... ew Angelia in OR RE: What do you eat? >I seldom, if ever, use 'low fat', 'lite', or 'fat free' versions of >anything, because when you take out the fat it doesn't taste good--so to >make it taste good, the manufacturers usually put sugar in. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Hi, The secret is NOT to put the salad dressing on the salad, but serve it in a side dish and dip into it. You eat far, far less that way. I agree with Angelia - I use full fat dressings, but only use about a tsp on a salad, using the dip method. At 11:12 AM 5/23/2005, Angelia R. wrote: >I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff >like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! > >I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie >dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! > >Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Hi, The secret is NOT to put the salad dressing on the salad, but serve it in a side dish and dip into it. You eat far, far less that way. I agree with Angelia - I use full fat dressings, but only use about a tsp on a salad, using the dip method. At 11:12 AM 5/23/2005, Angelia R. wrote: >I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff >like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! > >I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie >dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! > >Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Hi, The secret is NOT to put the salad dressing on the salad, but serve it in a side dish and dip into it. You eat far, far less that way. I agree with Angelia - I use full fat dressings, but only use about a tsp on a salad, using the dip method. At 11:12 AM 5/23/2005, Angelia R. wrote: >I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and stuff >like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the food!!! > >I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie >dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! > >Angelia in OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I tend to use less if I " toss " the salad with the dressing... then a little bit gets on each bite... I tried the dip meathod, and eat way too much that way =) Angelia in OR Re: What do you eat? > Hi, > > The secret is NOT to put the salad dressing on the salad, but serve it in > a > side dish and dip into it. You eat far, far less that way. > > I agree with Angelia - I use full fat dressings, but only use about a tsp > on a salad, using the dip method. > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 5/23/2005, Angelia R. wrote: >>I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and >>stuff >>like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the >>food!!! >> >>I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie >>dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! >> >>Angelia in OR > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I tend to use less if I " toss " the salad with the dressing... then a little bit gets on each bite... I tried the dip meathod, and eat way too much that way =) Angelia in OR Re: What do you eat? > Hi, > > The secret is NOT to put the salad dressing on the salad, but serve it in > a > side dish and dip into it. You eat far, far less that way. > > I agree with Angelia - I use full fat dressings, but only use about a tsp > on a salad, using the dip method. > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 5/23/2005, Angelia R. wrote: >>I agree! and there have been many reports now that eating salads and >>stuff >>like that with fat causes the body to absorb more of the vit. in the >>food!!! >> >>I always use full fat dressing... I offer that people use reduced calorie >>dressing, because many people pour on 5-6 times the serving ammount! >> >>Angelia in OR > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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