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Part of an article in the May 2005 issue of Life Extension magazine says:

" It is our position that the ideal cholesterol blood level is 180-200

mg/dL and that levels below 160 mg/dL are particularly dangerous.

Cholesterol is required for the natural synthesis of hormones, for blood

vessel wall maintenance, and for maintaining proper cell membrane

structure and function. Driving cholesterol to abnormally low levels

can wreak havoc throughout the body.

The dose of satin drugs prescribed by most doctors often results in

cholesterol reading far below 160 mg/dL. The obvious solution to this

problem is to take a lower dose of the satin drug. We have found that

cutting the dose of a satin drug in half and even by three-quarters

maintains LDL under 100 mg/dL and total cholesterol under 200 mg/dL.

How dangerous is too-low cholesterol? A huge study followed 350,977

middle-aged men for an average of 12 years. Those whose total

cholesterol levels were under 160 mg/dL doubled their risk of brain

hemorrhage and significantly increased their risk of death from cancers

of the liver and pancreas, digestive diseases (particularly hepatic

cirrhosis), suicide, and alcohol dependence syndrome. In addition, men

with total cholesterol under 160 mg/dL had increased risks of cancers of

the lung, lymphatic, and blood (leukemia) systems, and chronic

obstructive pulmonary disease.

Since cholesterol is the precursor to " feel good " hormones like

testosterone and estrogen, some scientists believe that reducing

cholesterol to too low a level can have a significantly negative impact

on one's mental health.

Doctors are prescribing higher-dose statin drugs for the purpose of

preventing heart attacks without considering that these same drugs may

be lowering their patients' cholesterol levels too much. "

For what it's worth. Standard CYA statements.

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Thanks for the information, Amber.

My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

I'm working really hard at getting that number down. Dr. Atkins said in

his books that high triglycerides are much more dangerous than high

cholesterol.

Thanks again!

Donna N.

> Part of an article in the May 2005 issue of Life Extension magazine

says:

>

> " It is our position that the ideal cholesterol blood level is 180-200

> mg/dL and that levels below 160 mg/dL are particularly dangerous.

> Cholesterol is required for the natural synthesis of hormones, for

blood

> vessel wall maintenance, and for maintaining proper cell membrane

> structure and function. > >

> Amber

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>

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My finger slipped so I don't know if a half replied post is on its

way. :(

Donna, I just received my latest blood tests results. My total

cholestrol was 5.4, down from 5.6 from last time. My HDL was 1.22 up

from 1.19 and my LDL was 2.77 down from 3.55! *happy dance over that*

However my triglyceride was up to 3.1 from 1.9. :(

My practice nurse is pleased about it all and said not to worry about

the tri number. I've been taking flax seed oil capsules twice a day

and I put the good numbers to that.

I will fight to my last breath not to take statins. My GP agrees with me.

I'm going to have to find a chart to translate the English numbers to

the Americans.

> My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

> of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

> usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

> something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

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My finger slipped so I don't know if a half replied post is on its

way. :(

Donna, I just received my latest blood tests results. My total

cholestrol was 5.4, down from 5.6 from last time. My HDL was 1.22 up

from 1.19 and my LDL was 2.77 down from 3.55! *happy dance over that*

However my triglyceride was up to 3.1 from 1.9. :(

My practice nurse is pleased about it all and said not to worry about

the tri number. I've been taking flax seed oil capsules twice a day

and I put the good numbers to that.

I will fight to my last breath not to take statins. My GP agrees with me.

I'm going to have to find a chart to translate the English numbers to

the Americans.

> My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

> of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

> usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

> something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

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My finger slipped so I don't know if a half replied post is on its

way. :(

Donna, I just received my latest blood tests results. My total

cholestrol was 5.4, down from 5.6 from last time. My HDL was 1.22 up

from 1.19 and my LDL was 2.77 down from 3.55! *happy dance over that*

However my triglyceride was up to 3.1 from 1.9. :(

My practice nurse is pleased about it all and said not to worry about

the tri number. I've been taking flax seed oil capsules twice a day

and I put the good numbers to that.

I will fight to my last breath not to take statins. My GP agrees with me.

I'm going to have to find a chart to translate the English numbers to

the Americans.

> My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

> of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

> usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

> something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

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descartesmum wrote:

> I've been taking flax seed oil capsules twice a day

> and I put the good numbers to that.

I seem to remember reading that it takes 18 capsules to equal a

tablespoon of oil. I take one tablespoon of oil a day just mixed with

milk and drink it down.

>

> I will fight to my last breath not to take statins. My GP agrees with me.

Sounds like you have a good doctor!

>

> > My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

> > of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

> > usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

> > something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

WAY TOO LOW.

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Donna wrote:

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> Thanks for the information, Amber.

> My husband has been on Zocor 40 mg since he had a heart attack in Oct

> of 2000. He just had his cholesterol checked and it was under 160. It

> usually is. We will talk to his dr. about this article. Mine was 170

> something and I don't take anything, BUT my triglyceride level is 389!

> I'm working really hard at getting that number down. Dr. Atkins said in

> his books that high triglycerides are much more dangerous than high

> cholesterol.

>

Oh, I totally agree. I hope your Dr. is open minded and will read the

information and either stop or reduce his medicine.

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> (snip)

> Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

> homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

> (snip)

> Irene

Irene,

While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

in peer-reviewed scientific studies the ratio of total cholesterol to

HDL cholesterol continues to be the most accurate predictor.

See: http://tinyurl.com/5to6v

The conclusions of which are listed below:

RESULTS: In univariate analyses, plasma levels of total cholesterol

(P<.001), LDL-C (P =.001), triglycerides (P =.001), apo B-100 (P

=.001), fibrinogen (P =.02), CRP (P =.006), and the total cholesterol-

HDL-C ratio (P<.001) were all significantly higher at baseline among

men who subsequently developed PAD compared with those who did not,

while levels of HDL-C (P =.009) and apo A-I (P =.05) were lower.

Nonsignificant baseline elevations of lipoprotein(a) (P =.40) and

homocysteine (P =.90) were observed. In multivariable analyses, the

total cholesterol-HDL-C ratio was the strongest lipid predictor of

risk (relative risk [RR] for those in the highest vs lowest quartile,

3.9; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.7-8.6), while CRP was the

strongest nonlipid predictor (RR for the highest vs lowest quartile,

2.8; 95% CI, 1.3-5.9). In assessing joint effects, addition of CRP to

standard lipid screening significantly improved risk prediction

models based on lipid screening alone (P<.001). CONCLUSIONS: Of 11

atherothrombotic biomarkers assessed at baseline, the total

cholesterol-HDL-C ratio and CRP were the strongest independent

predictors of development of peripheral arterial disease. C-reactive

protein provided additive prognostic information over standard lipid

measures. (end of citation)

So, while all of the indicators may be valuable in assessing risk, I

would not dismiss cholesterol --- it may be the single best marker.

Regards,

, Charlotte NC

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> (snip)

> Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

> homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

> (snip)

> Irene

Irene,

While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

in peer-reviewed scientific studies the ratio of total cholesterol to

HDL cholesterol continues to be the most accurate predictor.

See: http://tinyurl.com/5to6v

The conclusions of which are listed below:

RESULTS: In univariate analyses, plasma levels of total cholesterol

(P<.001), LDL-C (P =.001), triglycerides (P =.001), apo B-100 (P

=.001), fibrinogen (P =.02), CRP (P =.006), and the total cholesterol-

HDL-C ratio (P<.001) were all significantly higher at baseline among

men who subsequently developed PAD compared with those who did not,

while levels of HDL-C (P =.009) and apo A-I (P =.05) were lower.

Nonsignificant baseline elevations of lipoprotein(a) (P =.40) and

homocysteine (P =.90) were observed. In multivariable analyses, the

total cholesterol-HDL-C ratio was the strongest lipid predictor of

risk (relative risk [RR] for those in the highest vs lowest quartile,

3.9; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.7-8.6), while CRP was the

strongest nonlipid predictor (RR for the highest vs lowest quartile,

2.8; 95% CI, 1.3-5.9). In assessing joint effects, addition of CRP to

standard lipid screening significantly improved risk prediction

models based on lipid screening alone (P<.001). CONCLUSIONS: Of 11

atherothrombotic biomarkers assessed at baseline, the total

cholesterol-HDL-C ratio and CRP were the strongest independent

predictors of development of peripheral arterial disease. C-reactive

protein provided additive prognostic information over standard lipid

measures. (end of citation)

So, while all of the indicators may be valuable in assessing risk, I

would not dismiss cholesterol --- it may be the single best marker.

Regards,

, Charlotte NC

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sinusrhythm58 wrote:

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>

> > (snip)

> > Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

> > homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

> > (snip)

> > Irene

>

> So, while all of the indicators may be valuable in assessing risk, I

> would not dismiss cholesterol --- it may be the single best marker.

> Regards,

> , Charlotte NC

>

>

What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

on drugs - to make more money.

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sinusrhythm58 wrote:

>

>

> > (snip)

> > Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

> > homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

> > (snip)

> > Irene

>

> So, while all of the indicators may be valuable in assessing risk, I

> would not dismiss cholesterol --- it may be the single best marker.

> Regards,

> , Charlotte NC

>

>

What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

on drugs - to make more money.

Amber

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sinusrhythm58 wrote:

>

>

> > (snip)

> > Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

> > homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

> > (snip)

> > Irene

>

> So, while all of the indicators may be valuable in assessing risk, I

> would not dismiss cholesterol --- it may be the single best marker.

> Regards,

> , Charlotte NC

>

>

What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

on drugs - to make more money.

Amber

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Kristy Sokoloski wrote:

> Amber said:

>

> " I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get

> more people on drugs - to make more money. "

>

> I couldn't agree more. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

> My feeling is that if this is the case and it continues they are

> going to have more people dying of numbers that are too low than

> those that are too high.

>

> Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

>

> Kristy :)

>

Oh yes, I noticed that about BP numbers, too. I can't agree with you more.

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Kristy Sokoloski wrote:

> Amber said:

>

> " I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get

> more people on drugs - to make more money. "

>

> I couldn't agree more. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

> My feeling is that if this is the case and it continues they are

> going to have more people dying of numbers that are too low than

> those that are too high.

>

> Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

>

> Kristy :)

>

Oh yes, I noticed that about BP numbers, too. I can't agree with you more.

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Kristy Sokoloski wrote:

> Amber said:

>

> " I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get

> more people on drugs - to make more money. "

>

> I couldn't agree more. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

> My feeling is that if this is the case and it continues they are

> going to have more people dying of numbers that are too low than

> those that are too high.

>

> Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

>

> Kristy :)

>

Oh yes, I noticed that about BP numbers, too. I can't agree with you more.

Amber

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sinusrhythm58 wrote:

>

>

>

>>(snip)

>>Triglycerides are looking to be the dirty birds - also

>>homocysteine and c-reactive protein. Not cholesterol so much.

>>(snip)

>> Irene

>

>

> Irene,

> While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

It seems you are suggesting I used " new and trendy indicators " and not

solid research in making the above statement?

If so, it's not so :-))

...Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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There isn't still one predictor of heart disease. There are two of them.

One is high LDL.

The other is high triglycerides (carried on VLDL) and normal to low HDL.

One is caused by genetic mutations in the proteins in lipoproteins and their

receptors, and the other is caused by insulin resistance. I get the idea

that the two factors may cause about equal amounts of heart disease. And

insulin resistance causes heart disease more often than diabetes. You need

more genetic things wrong or else serious overweight for diabetes.

I think that five years ago when I last had a good one, my doctor was just

beginning to catch onto the HDL part - and he never checked my

triglycerides!

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

----- Original Message -----

>

> Irene,

> While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

> in peer-reviewed scientific studies the ratio of total cholesterol to

> HDL cholesterol continues to be the most accurate predictor.

> See: http://tinyurl.com/5to6v

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There isn't still one predictor of heart disease. There are two of them.

One is high LDL.

The other is high triglycerides (carried on VLDL) and normal to low HDL.

One is caused by genetic mutations in the proteins in lipoproteins and their

receptors, and the other is caused by insulin resistance. I get the idea

that the two factors may cause about equal amounts of heart disease. And

insulin resistance causes heart disease more often than diabetes. You need

more genetic things wrong or else serious overweight for diabetes.

I think that five years ago when I last had a good one, my doctor was just

beginning to catch onto the HDL part - and he never checked my

triglycerides!

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

----- Original Message -----

>

> Irene,

> While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

> in peer-reviewed scientific studies the ratio of total cholesterol to

> HDL cholesterol continues to be the most accurate predictor.

> See: http://tinyurl.com/5to6v

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There isn't still one predictor of heart disease. There are two of them.

One is high LDL.

The other is high triglycerides (carried on VLDL) and normal to low HDL.

One is caused by genetic mutations in the proteins in lipoproteins and their

receptors, and the other is caused by insulin resistance. I get the idea

that the two factors may cause about equal amounts of heart disease. And

insulin resistance causes heart disease more often than diabetes. You need

more genetic things wrong or else serious overweight for diabetes.

I think that five years ago when I last had a good one, my doctor was just

beginning to catch onto the HDL part - and he never checked my

triglycerides!

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

----- Original Message -----

>

> Irene,

> While there are a lot of new and trendy indicators of heart disease,

> in peer-reviewed scientific studies the ratio of total cholesterol to

> HDL cholesterol continues to be the most accurate predictor.

> See: http://tinyurl.com/5to6v

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J'ai un question.

If your triglycerides, blood sugar, insulin and LDL are all under control

and your homocysteine and c-reactive protein were high, what would you do about

it?

Yours,

Dora

Uninsured in Austin, Texas

villandra@...

> What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

> that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

> markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

> could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

> I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

> on drugs - to make more money.

>

> Amber

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J'ai un question.

If your triglycerides, blood sugar, insulin and LDL are all under control

and your homocysteine and c-reactive protein were high, what would you do about

it?

Yours,

Dora

Uninsured in Austin, Texas

villandra@...

> What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

> that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

> markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

> could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

> I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

> on drugs - to make more money.

>

> Amber

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J'ai un question.

If your triglycerides, blood sugar, insulin and LDL are all under control

and your homocysteine and c-reactive protein were high, what would you do about

it?

Yours,

Dora

Uninsured in Austin, Texas

villandra@...

> What I've been reading lately seems to be saying that newer thinking is

> that Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein tests are more reliable for

> markers for heart problems than cholesterol. I agree that all tests

> could be useful, but I think the cholesterol test is the least useful.

> I also think drug companies are lowering requirements to get more people

> on drugs - to make more money.

>

> Amber

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Kristie:

Your common sense has you deceived. You fail to suspect the truth.

The reason why the blood sugar numbers keep lowering is that doctors are

gradually changing their attitude toward one of actually diagnosing and

treating disease.

Formerly - as recently as the 1980's, it was a very bad thing to diagnose

diabetes. The few older medical texts I could find looked for eight

million ways from Tuesday to find ways people do NOT really have diabetes!

Diagnosing people as sick if tehy might not be is terrible manners! Also

reasons to deny employment, insurance, and even drivers' licenses. I kid

you not.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

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>

.. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

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Kristie:

Your common sense has you deceived. You fail to suspect the truth.

The reason why the blood sugar numbers keep lowering is that doctors are

gradually changing their attitude toward one of actually diagnosing and

treating disease.

Formerly - as recently as the 1980's, it was a very bad thing to diagnose

diabetes. The few older medical texts I could find looked for eight

million ways from Tuesday to find ways people do NOT really have diabetes!

Diagnosing people as sick if tehy might not be is terrible manners! Also

reasons to deny employment, insurance, and even drivers' licenses. I kid

you not.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: Re: Cholesterol too low?

>

.. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

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Kristie:

Your common sense has you deceived. You fail to suspect the truth.

The reason why the blood sugar numbers keep lowering is that doctors are

gradually changing their attitude toward one of actually diagnosing and

treating disease.

Formerly - as recently as the 1980's, it was a very bad thing to diagnose

diabetes. The few older medical texts I could find looked for eight

million ways from Tuesday to find ways people do NOT really have diabetes!

Diagnosing people as sick if tehy might not be is terrible manners! Also

reasons to deny employment, insurance, and even drivers' licenses. I kid

you not.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: Re: Cholesterol too low?

>

.. It seems the same thing also applies to

> the way they keep lowering blood sugar readings and also bp

> readings for what they consider normal.

>

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