Re: 4/20 Prevention.Com Chat with Agatston

[Guest guest]

Boy, I'm glad you re-posted that section. I actually skipped over that part

because I just read the header and pre-judged what it was about.

Also, money does strange things to a person's thought process and speech.

More money tends to easily confuse a person and then they say things that

make them more money. Does this sound familiar? Maybe he needs to go back to

Phase one marketing to break his cravings for more money.

Chuck

RE: 4/20 Prevention.Com Chat with Agatston

>

> My personal favorite was this part:

>

> ********************************************************************

> Q: Do you have some advice on how to set a healthy weight loss goal?

>

> Dr. Agatston: We are much more interested in improving blood chemistry and

> decreasing waistlines than overall weight loss per se. If you are

> overweight

> and have wonderful blood chemistry and no central obesity, then weight

> loss

> is less important for your general health and is actually more difficult

> to

> accomplish. Once blood chemistry is normal and waist circumference is

> down,

> then further weight loss can only be accomplished for the long term with

> regular exercise.

>

> For those who have cravings and do not have control over their [food]

> intake, then by going on the South Beach Diet you will lose cravings in

> Phase 1 and will lose weight slowly in Phase 2 until you reach a plateau.

> If, at this point, you desire to lose more weight, it is necessary to

> increase exercise rather than try to further limit caloric intake.

> ********************************************************************

>

> That was the only really key part of the chat for me as it supports what

> I've said in the past -- this is not a diet for weight loss, although we

> certainly lose weight by eating this way.

>

> I was pleased to see he directed pregnant and nursing mothers to speak

> with

> their physicians before embarking on the SBD. I've seen too many women

> hit

> the diet path entirely too soon and that's just not healthy.

>

> I found his whole bit about the Kraft products and meal bars particularly

> disturbing. He's no longer saying they're for occasional use and intended

> as emergency foods -- he's flat out endorsing them as SBD compliant. I

> don't think there's anything on the Kraft line that is actually SBD

> compliant.

>

>

>

>

> Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The

> South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right

> fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad

> carbs and bad fats.

>

> For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by

> Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

>

[Guest guest]

> That was a pretty good part of his chat which I liked as

> well.. but unfortunately people look at his WOE differently

> as if it WAS intended for weight loss..

Which would be why I keep reminding folks it isn't. Diets that are strictly

for weight loss are only a part of the package. If you don't teach folks

about nutrition, they might lose the weight but they'll put it right back on

again in no time.

> I have little doubt there are people on diets or WOES that

> should really be seeing a medical doctor that " specializes in

> weight loss " so their health can be monitored weekly...

>

> I am speaking here about VERY obese people, that often suffer

> from heart problems, sleep apnea, as well as a host of other

> problems that relate to their obesity.

I agree (well, I don't know that it needs to be monitored WEEKLY, but

overall...). IMNSHO, *ANYONE* with 100 pounds or more to lose should be

doing so under the care of a physician. Furthermore, *ANYONE* who undergoes

a major diet modification and suffers medical conditions should be keeping

their doctor informed. That's what they're paid for and that's why we use

them. That said, I also firmly believe it is the responsibility of the

patient to be fully informed about his/her conditions and treatments -- that

includes diet, nutrition, and exercise. Diet is linked to so many other

conditions that ignoring it is just foolishness.

> As I sit here typing I have to wonder if Dr A eats his own

> bars.. let alone his frozen foods~~~~

Maybe someone should make him eat those foods, and nothing else, everyday

for 30 days to see what happens....

[Guest guest]

> That was a pretty good part of his chat which I liked as

> well.. but unfortunately people look at his WOE differently

> as if it WAS intended for weight loss..

Which would be why I keep reminding folks it isn't. Diets that are strictly

for weight loss are only a part of the package. If you don't teach folks

about nutrition, they might lose the weight but they'll put it right back on

again in no time.

> I have little doubt there are people on diets or WOES that

> should really be seeing a medical doctor that " specializes in

> weight loss " so their health can be monitored weekly...

>

> I am speaking here about VERY obese people, that often suffer

> from heart problems, sleep apnea, as well as a host of other

> problems that relate to their obesity.

I agree (well, I don't know that it needs to be monitored WEEKLY, but

overall...). IMNSHO, *ANYONE* with 100 pounds or more to lose should be

doing so under the care of a physician. Furthermore, *ANYONE* who undergoes

a major diet modification and suffers medical conditions should be keeping

their doctor informed. That's what they're paid for and that's why we use

them. That said, I also firmly believe it is the responsibility of the

patient to be fully informed about his/her conditions and treatments -- that

includes diet, nutrition, and exercise. Diet is linked to so many other

conditions that ignoring it is just foolishness.

> As I sit here typing I have to wonder if Dr A eats his own

> bars.. let alone his frozen foods~~~~

Maybe someone should make him eat those foods, and nothing else, everyday

for 30 days to see what happens....

[Guest guest]

> I do that sometimes with pea soup. But you must remember

> this is my mother and I too hate to cook. I was raised on

> TV dinners. But I am trying to make more healthy choices.

, I've said this to you before and I'll say it again -- to be healthy,

you simply MUST make lifestyle changes.

I enjoy cooking on occasion -- it's fun to tinker with recipes and the such.

However, I do not like cooking all the time. Because of my heart condition,

I had no choice but to cook everything I eat and use fresh ingredients --

there was simply no other way to eat low sodium. It infuriates me to no end

when I just want something quick and simple but everything in that category

is prepackaged junk food that I can't eat. I'd REALLY like to be able to

eat as I once did -- a couple of packets of Ramen Noodles (creamy chicken

flavor), some shredded cheese, and a peanut butter sandwich on the side was

a good, quick meal for me (I *LIVED* on Ramen Noodles through college). One

of my favorite quick meals is Chunky Chicken Corn Chowder. My favorite

snack is a bag of potato chips (Husmann's originally, but then I moved to

kettle chips) and a pint of Dean's French Onion Dip (I like Kraft's now).

For 3 years, you know what my breakfast was? 6 White Castles and a 20oz

Mountain Dew. I had that every morning when I went into the office. All

these foods were part of my regular routine. But guess what? I had to make

a lifestyle change to get healthy. I didn't do it because I wanted to but

because I needed to do so (of course the alternative would have been to just

die but...).

Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3 hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

None of these changes were easy. Some of them occurred overnight while

others took more time. It is a decision you have to make and a commitment

you must firmly affix to your every thought and effort. It isn't easy but

it CAN be done -- even by someone who was raised on TV dinners. ;-)

You have a good start -- keep up the momentum. Try having a cooking day

with your mom -- just make it a mother-daughter thing. Pre-cook 3 of 4 full

meals, sit around the kitchen chatting, then bowl 'em up, take half with you

and leave half with her. It's a start -- small, but habit forming. After a

few weeks of doing that, you'll both start to enjoy your cooking day

together and who knows -- maybe she'll even join in and you can gradually

change her habits as well.

[Guest guest]

> I do that sometimes with pea soup. But you must remember

> this is my mother and I too hate to cook. I was raised on

> TV dinners. But I am trying to make more healthy choices.

, I've said this to you before and I'll say it again -- to be healthy,

you simply MUST make lifestyle changes.

I enjoy cooking on occasion -- it's fun to tinker with recipes and the such.

However, I do not like cooking all the time. Because of my heart condition,

I had no choice but to cook everything I eat and use fresh ingredients --

there was simply no other way to eat low sodium. It infuriates me to no end

when I just want something quick and simple but everything in that category

is prepackaged junk food that I can't eat. I'd REALLY like to be able to

eat as I once did -- a couple of packets of Ramen Noodles (creamy chicken

flavor), some shredded cheese, and a peanut butter sandwich on the side was

a good, quick meal for me (I *LIVED* on Ramen Noodles through college). One

of my favorite quick meals is Chunky Chicken Corn Chowder. My favorite

snack is a bag of potato chips (Husmann's originally, but then I moved to

kettle chips) and a pint of Dean's French Onion Dip (I like Kraft's now).

For 3 years, you know what my breakfast was? 6 White Castles and a 20oz

Mountain Dew. I had that every morning when I went into the office. All

these foods were part of my regular routine. But guess what? I had to make

a lifestyle change to get healthy. I didn't do it because I wanted to but

because I needed to do so (of course the alternative would have been to just

die but...).

Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3 hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

None of these changes were easy. Some of them occurred overnight while

others took more time. It is a decision you have to make and a commitment

you must firmly affix to your every thought and effort. It isn't easy but

it CAN be done -- even by someone who was raised on TV dinners. ;-)

You have a good start -- keep up the momentum. Try having a cooking day

with your mom -- just make it a mother-daughter thing. Pre-cook 3 of 4 full

meals, sit around the kitchen chatting, then bowl 'em up, take half with you

and leave half with her. It's a start -- small, but habit forming. After a

few weeks of doing that, you'll both start to enjoy your cooking day

together and who knows -- maybe she'll even join in and you can gradually

change her habits as well.

[Guest guest]

> I do that sometimes with pea soup. But you must remember

> this is my mother and I too hate to cook. I was raised on

> TV dinners. But I am trying to make more healthy choices.

, I've said this to you before and I'll say it again -- to be healthy,

you simply MUST make lifestyle changes.

I enjoy cooking on occasion -- it's fun to tinker with recipes and the such.

However, I do not like cooking all the time. Because of my heart condition,

I had no choice but to cook everything I eat and use fresh ingredients --

there was simply no other way to eat low sodium. It infuriates me to no end

when I just want something quick and simple but everything in that category

is prepackaged junk food that I can't eat. I'd REALLY like to be able to

eat as I once did -- a couple of packets of Ramen Noodles (creamy chicken

flavor), some shredded cheese, and a peanut butter sandwich on the side was

a good, quick meal for me (I *LIVED* on Ramen Noodles through college). One

of my favorite quick meals is Chunky Chicken Corn Chowder. My favorite

snack is a bag of potato chips (Husmann's originally, but then I moved to

kettle chips) and a pint of Dean's French Onion Dip (I like Kraft's now).

For 3 years, you know what my breakfast was? 6 White Castles and a 20oz

Mountain Dew. I had that every morning when I went into the office. All

these foods were part of my regular routine. But guess what? I had to make

a lifestyle change to get healthy. I didn't do it because I wanted to but

because I needed to do so (of course the alternative would have been to just

die but...).

Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3 hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

None of these changes were easy. Some of them occurred overnight while

others took more time. It is a decision you have to make and a commitment

you must firmly affix to your every thought and effort. It isn't easy but

it CAN be done -- even by someone who was raised on TV dinners. ;-)

You have a good start -- keep up the momentum. Try having a cooking day

with your mom -- just make it a mother-daughter thing. Pre-cook 3 of 4 full

meals, sit around the kitchen chatting, then bowl 'em up, take half with you

and leave half with her. It's a start -- small, but habit forming. After a

few weeks of doing that, you'll both start to enjoy your cooking day

together and who knows -- maybe she'll even join in and you can gradually

change her habits as well.

[Guest guest]

Boy, I need a dishwasher. I can't stand up to do dishes. My kitchen

is so small, there is no room, not even for a portable dishwasher.

I'd have to put in a new kitchen in order to rearrange things so

that I'd be able to fit a dishwasher.

ann

<Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over

this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3

hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or

later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it

took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit

of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used

utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or

preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

>

[Guest guest]

Boy, I need a dishwasher. I can't stand up to do dishes. My kitchen

is so small, there is no room, not even for a portable dishwasher.

I'd have to put in a new kitchen in order to rearrange things so

that I'd be able to fit a dishwasher.

ann

<Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over

this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3

hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or

later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it

took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit

of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used

utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or

preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

>

[Guest guest]

Boy, I need a dishwasher. I can't stand up to do dishes. My kitchen

is so small, there is no room, not even for a portable dishwasher.

I'd have to put in a new kitchen in order to rearrange things so

that I'd be able to fit a dishwasher.

ann

<Until recently, when we bought a dishwasher, I was going nuts over

this

whole bit. I spent a solid 3-4 hours every day cooking and a good 3

hours

or more each day washing dishes. That along with trying to manage my

family, finances, business, and so on. I stayed up until 2am or

later (er,

earlier) every single night just so I could fit it all in and it

took its

toll on me. I *HAD* to find better ways of doing things -- and I did.

First and foremost, I bought a dishwasher. That saved me every bit

of 2 1/2

hours or more. Then I started getting creative with how I used

utensils,

bowls, and pots. Then I started having a cooking day and/or

preparing too

much for each meal so I had leftovers. And so on, and so forth.

>