RE: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

[Guest guest]

If you would poll the Fire

based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the average

between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

[Guest guest]

If you would poll the Fire

based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the average

between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

[Guest guest]

If you would poll the Fire

based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the average

between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

[Guest guest]

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

We are actually working on that! One problem is, it takes more manpower to

staff the Amb, then an engine and an EMS Response unit. Multiplied by the #

of stations to cover. But, it is in the works, at least for us.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

We are actually working on that! One problem is, it takes more manpower to

staff the Amb, then an engine and an EMS Response unit. Multiplied by the #

of stations to cover. But, it is in the works, at least for us.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

We are actually working on that! One problem is, it takes more manpower to

staff the Amb, then an engine and an EMS Response unit. Multiplied by the #

of stations to cover. But, it is in the works, at least for us.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:37:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

lanelson1@... writes:

L.A. County Station 51 at the Universal Studio operates a Class A pumper and

a squad as a tandem unit (2+2). The squad handles medical, accidents, and

roves the property. In the event of a fire, the Class A and the Squad respond

together. IF it is a minor fire, the squad has a pump and tank to handle it. If

it is serious enough they can bring in the large lines from the Class A.

Question for you here---what if the squad is committed on an EMS assist, this

then leaves the pumper 2 man, at least initially, for first response into a

fire scene. Thus, our particular need for additional manpower...without

leaving a pumper crew without adequate personnel.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:37:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

lanelson1@... writes:

L.A. County Station 51 at the Universal Studio operates a Class A pumper and

a squad as a tandem unit (2+2). The squad handles medical, accidents, and

roves the property. In the event of a fire, the Class A and the Squad respond

together. IF it is a minor fire, the squad has a pump and tank to handle it. If

it is serious enough they can bring in the large lines from the Class A.

Question for you here---what if the squad is committed on an EMS assist, this

then leaves the pumper 2 man, at least initially, for first response into a

fire scene. Thus, our particular need for additional manpower...without

leaving a pumper crew without adequate personnel.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 9:37:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

lanelson1@... writes:

L.A. County Station 51 at the Universal Studio operates a Class A pumper and

a squad as a tandem unit (2+2). The squad handles medical, accidents, and

roves the property. In the event of a fire, the Class A and the Squad respond

together. IF it is a minor fire, the squad has a pump and tank to handle it. If

it is serious enough they can bring in the large lines from the Class A.

Question for you here---what if the squad is committed on an EMS assist, this

then leaves the pumper 2 man, at least initially, for first response into a

fire scene. Thus, our particular need for additional manpower...without

leaving a pumper crew without adequate personnel.

Kathi

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah this could get ugly !!!

Please allow me to get this started

There was an article in jems magazine in june 1999 about fire-based vs.

other forms of EMS. I scanned it into pdf files because I wrote a letter

to the editor (which was in the july 1999 issue) because it has some

misconceptions concerning fire-based ems and the fire dept. (the writer

actually claimed that there are less fires for the fire dept to run on

because of smoke detectors and sprinkler systems (neither of which

anyone with a smidgen of common sense knows actually prevent fires)

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah this could get ugly !!!

Please allow me to get this started

There was an article in jems magazine in june 1999 about fire-based vs.

other forms of EMS. I scanned it into pdf files because I wrote a letter

to the editor (which was in the july 1999 issue) because it has some

misconceptions concerning fire-based ems and the fire dept. (the writer

actually claimed that there are less fires for the fire dept to run on

because of smoke detectors and sprinkler systems (neither of which

anyone with a smidgen of common sense knows actually prevent fires)

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

While this is a matter of semantics, there is truth to the fact that while

technically smoke detectors, sprinkler systems and strict building codes do

not physically prevent fires what they are responsible for is early

notification and/or control of very small fires to the extent that FD's do

not get called as frequently as in the past. If you would poll the Fire

based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the average

between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related. So

what would you attribute this to?

Lee

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

While this is a matter of semantics, there is truth to the fact that while

technically smoke detectors, sprinkler systems and strict building codes do

not physically prevent fires what they are responsible for is early

notification and/or control of very small fires to the extent that FD's do

not get called as frequently as in the past. If you would poll the Fire

based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the average

between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related. So

what would you attribute this to?

Lee

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

Kenny Navarro

(No opinion, one way or another)

>

> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

with

> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

go.

> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

miles.

> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

there

> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

> Thanks.

>

> R EMT-P

> www.parisems.com

> www.theparisnews.com

[Guest guest]

, Could you direct me to the JEMS article or post it to the list.

Shiplet, LP

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

>

>

>

> Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

>

> Kenny Navarro

> (No opinion, one way or another)

>

>

>

>>

>> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

>> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

>> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

> with

>> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

>> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

> go.

>> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

> miles.

>> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

> there

>> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

>> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

>> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

>> Thanks.

>>

>> R EMT-P

>> www.parisems.com

>> www.theparisnews.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Could you direct me to the JEMS article or post it to the list.

Shiplet, LP

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

>

>

>

> Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

>

> Kenny Navarro

> (No opinion, one way or another)

>

>

>

>>

>> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

>> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

>> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

> with

>> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

>> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

> go.

>> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

> miles.

>> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

> there

>> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

>> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

>> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

>> Thanks.

>>

>> R EMT-P

>> www.parisems.com

>> www.theparisnews.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Could you direct me to the JEMS article or post it to the list.

Shiplet, LP

Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

>

>

>

> Fasten your seat belts... this is about to be a bumpy ride!

>

> Kenny Navarro

> (No opinion, one way or another)

>

>

>

>>

>> What is everybody thoughts on 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems.

>> Our newly hired city manager wants to let x9 Paramedics go and

>> replace them with ff/emt. Currently our dept. has 21 Paramedics,

> with

>> the thought of losing 9. The local fire dept. association/union

>> states in the local paper today that fire-based ems is the way to

> go.

>> Our dept. ran approx. 8000 calls last year, covering 930 sq.

> miles.

>> Our local fire dept runs approx. 1600 calls, with majority of

> there

>> calls responding with EMS. The fd responds to all cardiac arrest,

>> unknown, or unconscious as first responders. Any input would be

>> greayl helpful on the fire-based ems vs. 3rd city service issue.

>> Thanks.

>>

>> R EMT-P

>> www.parisems.com

>> www.theparisnews.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

Mike

>

> If you would poll the Fire

> based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the

> average

> between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

>

>

> Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

Mike

>

> If you would poll the Fire

> based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the

> average

> between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

>

>

> Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

Mike

>

> If you would poll the Fire

> based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the

> average

> between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

>

>

> Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What purpose would this serve? NFPA mandates staffing levels on equipment,

if you have an engine with 4 people on it how can you justify 2 additional

people to just answer EMS responses?

Lee

Re: Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

Mike

>

> If you would poll the Fire

> based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the

> average

> between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

>

>

> Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What purpose would this serve? NFPA mandates staffing levels on equipment,

if you have an engine with 4 people on it how can you justify 2 additional

people to just answer EMS responses?

Lee

Re: Re: 3rd City service vs. fire-based ems

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

Mike

>

> If you would poll the Fire

> based EMS agencies you represent they will all tell you that on the

> average

> between 75-85% of their responses are EMS related and not fire related.

>

>

> Yup, ours was 87% EMS last month.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-- Mike wrote:

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

L.A. County Station 51 at the Universal Studio operates a Class A pumper and a

squad as a tandem unit (2+2). The squad handles medical, accidents, and roves

the property. In the event of a fire, the Class A and the Squad respond

together. IF it is a minor fire, the squad has a pump and tank to handle it. If

it is serious enough they can bring in the large lines from the Class A.

The station is not only LACoFD, but is the EOC for Paramount.

" Dogs are not our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. "

Larry RN LP

[Guest guest]

-- Mike wrote:

Which begs the question - why aren't more fire departments putting in

smaller, less expensive, 2-man EMS responder units that are also

fire-capable, such that they are " manpower " at the fire scene but

primarily tasked with EMS response?

L.A. County Station 51 at the Universal Studio operates a Class A pumper and a

squad as a tandem unit (2+2). The squad handles medical, accidents, and roves

the property. In the event of a fire, the Class A and the Squad respond

together. IF it is a minor fire, the squad has a pump and tank to handle it. If

it is serious enough they can bring in the large lines from the Class A.

The station is not only LACoFD, but is the EOC for Paramount.

" Dogs are not our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. "

Larry RN LP