Possible terrible decision (PG/MC ment) long

[Guest guest]

Wow - I'm so sorry.

Here are just a few thoughts.

1. Get a second opinion on the fluid level. Are you near a major university

hospital or level 3 neonatal ward? Consider consulting someone there.

2. Lung development - can they give you steroids to speed it up?

3. If you really have no fluid and the baby has no chance of surviving inside

of you, you are not far away from the point where the baby has a chance of

surviving outside of you. At 20 weeks, the chance is very low, but there. At

24 weeks, the possibility is much better, especially if you know you're going

to deliver and prepare for it. I teach middle school and had a student born at

24 weeks. She was very bright and not at all " slow. " You would never know

now. But of course there is the possibility of a disability if born at 24

weeks, and you should be prepared to do physical thearapy/touch/massage with the

baby for a couple of hours a day. This actually really isn't a lot of time,

it's less time then a new mom spends breast feeding (which really surprised me

when I became a mom). So maybe find out what disabilities you may face and

consider if you are willing to deal with them.

4. In that amnio test in which doctors take out a bit of fluid and test it

for disabilities, they take out fluid. Therefore, in theory they should also be

able to replace fluid. Has this every been done with a synthetic fluid

( " formula " sort of)? Maybe research the Internet and see if it's every been

tried.

4. If it were me, I would weigh all that. At 17 weeks, you have a very

developed baby, as you know, and just a few more weeks inside mom will make a

huge

difference.

5. Finally, if you choose an abortion, how many more weeks do you have before

it cannot be legally done, if the federal ban on partial birth abortions is

upheld (I don't know a lot about abortion -- is that the kind you would need

since you are so far along)?

Just some thoughts. My best wishes go to you.

e

> I've been a member of this group for quite awhile, but have been a

> lurker for most of the past year.

>

> I'm 17 weeks pregnant and I've pretty much had complications the

> entire time. I was put on " limited activity " at about 6 weeks because

> the doctor discovered blood in my uterus. I had a U/S at 6 weeks b/c

> I was on fertility drugs and the docs wanted to know if there were

> multiples. I have a BU, butonly one side is " open. " So it's sort of a

> UU, because only the right side is available to carry a baby.

>

> A little over a week ago I was in the ER again with heavy bleeding,

> at that time they discovered I had very low amniotic fluid. I was put

> on bed rest at that time and told to lay on my side as much as

> possible. Yesterday, we saw a high-risk specialist and had another

> U/S. He discovered that I have virtually no amniotic fluid. My fluid

> level is at .9 cm, a typical 17 week pg woman would have b/n 15 and

> 20 cm.

>

> Without amniotic fluid the baby will not be able to develop properly.

> The biggest development problem will be with it's lungs. With little

> to no fluid the baby's lungs will not develop at all and it won't be

> able to live outside the womb.

>

> Because we were IF patients and have been trying for this baby for

> more than 3 years the doc is willing to wait and see what happens

> during the next two/three weeks. He wants a bunch of b/w done, and

> possibly amniocentisis, or a placental biopsey. (I'm 30 BTW, 1st PG)

> In 2 or 3 weeks I'll be 19 or 20 weeks.

>

> He said if situation does not repair itself and I still have no fluid

> then we may want to consider terminating the pregnancy. He said it is

> possible the baby will continue to grow and I can carry it to term,

> but he said as soon as it is born it will die, because it will have

> no ability to use it's lungs.

>

> I guess I'm looking for information, but I have no idea what info. I

> want. I do have an appt. this afternoon with my regular OB/GYN so he

> can answer any questions we have.

>

> Has anyone been through anything similar, or know of any information

> on the web about terminating a nonviable pregnancy at 20 weeks?

> Support groups? Web sites? Anything?

>

> I am just devestated. I've done nothing but cry during the past 24

> hours. I just can't imagine killing my own baby. But I also can't

> imagine carrying a baby, for another 20 weeks, that has no chance

> once it is outside the womb. Other than the fluid the baby has no

> problems that they can tell, he/she has managed to develop normally

> to this point.

>

> Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow - I'm so sorry.

Here are just a few thoughts.

1. Get a second opinion on the fluid level. Are you near a major university

hospital or level 3 neonatal ward? Consider consulting someone there.

2. Lung development - can they give you steroids to speed it up?

3. If you really have no fluid and the baby has no chance of surviving inside

of you, you are not far away from the point where the baby has a chance of

surviving outside of you. At 20 weeks, the chance is very low, but there. At

24 weeks, the possibility is much better, especially if you know you're going

to deliver and prepare for it. I teach middle school and had a student born at

24 weeks. She was very bright and not at all " slow. " You would never know

now. But of course there is the possibility of a disability if born at 24

weeks, and you should be prepared to do physical thearapy/touch/massage with the

baby for a couple of hours a day. This actually really isn't a lot of time,

it's less time then a new mom spends breast feeding (which really surprised me

when I became a mom). So maybe find out what disabilities you may face and

consider if you are willing to deal with them.

4. In that amnio test in which doctors take out a bit of fluid and test it

for disabilities, they take out fluid. Therefore, in theory they should also be

able to replace fluid. Has this every been done with a synthetic fluid

( " formula " sort of)? Maybe research the Internet and see if it's every been

tried.

4. If it were me, I would weigh all that. At 17 weeks, you have a very

developed baby, as you know, and just a few more weeks inside mom will make a

huge

difference.

5. Finally, if you choose an abortion, how many more weeks do you have before

it cannot be legally done, if the federal ban on partial birth abortions is

upheld (I don't know a lot about abortion -- is that the kind you would need

since you are so far along)?

Just some thoughts. My best wishes go to you.

e

> I've been a member of this group for quite awhile, but have been a

> lurker for most of the past year.

>

> I'm 17 weeks pregnant and I've pretty much had complications the

> entire time. I was put on " limited activity " at about 6 weeks because

> the doctor discovered blood in my uterus. I had a U/S at 6 weeks b/c

> I was on fertility drugs and the docs wanted to know if there were

> multiples. I have a BU, butonly one side is " open. " So it's sort of a

> UU, because only the right side is available to carry a baby.

>

> A little over a week ago I was in the ER again with heavy bleeding,

> at that time they discovered I had very low amniotic fluid. I was put

> on bed rest at that time and told to lay on my side as much as

> possible. Yesterday, we saw a high-risk specialist and had another

> U/S. He discovered that I have virtually no amniotic fluid. My fluid

> level is at .9 cm, a typical 17 week pg woman would have b/n 15 and

> 20 cm.

>

> Without amniotic fluid the baby will not be able to develop properly.

> The biggest development problem will be with it's lungs. With little

> to no fluid the baby's lungs will not develop at all and it won't be

> able to live outside the womb.

>

> Because we were IF patients and have been trying for this baby for

> more than 3 years the doc is willing to wait and see what happens

> during the next two/three weeks. He wants a bunch of b/w done, and

> possibly amniocentisis, or a placental biopsey. (I'm 30 BTW, 1st PG)

> In 2 or 3 weeks I'll be 19 or 20 weeks.

>

> He said if situation does not repair itself and I still have no fluid

> then we may want to consider terminating the pregnancy. He said it is

> possible the baby will continue to grow and I can carry it to term,

> but he said as soon as it is born it will die, because it will have

> no ability to use it's lungs.

>

> I guess I'm looking for information, but I have no idea what info. I

> want. I do have an appt. this afternoon with my regular OB/GYN so he

> can answer any questions we have.

>

> Has anyone been through anything similar, or know of any information

> on the web about terminating a nonviable pregnancy at 20 weeks?

> Support groups? Web sites? Anything?

>

> I am just devestated. I've done nothing but cry during the past 24

> hours. I just can't imagine killing my own baby. But I also can't

> imagine carrying a baby, for another 20 weeks, that has no chance

> once it is outside the womb. Other than the fluid the baby has no

> problems that they can tell, he/she has managed to develop normally

> to this point.

>

> Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow - I'm so sorry.

Here are just a few thoughts.

1. Get a second opinion on the fluid level. Are you near a major university

hospital or level 3 neonatal ward? Consider consulting someone there.

2. Lung development - can they give you steroids to speed it up?

3. If you really have no fluid and the baby has no chance of surviving inside

of you, you are not far away from the point where the baby has a chance of

surviving outside of you. At 20 weeks, the chance is very low, but there. At

24 weeks, the possibility is much better, especially if you know you're going

to deliver and prepare for it. I teach middle school and had a student born at

24 weeks. She was very bright and not at all " slow. " You would never know

now. But of course there is the possibility of a disability if born at 24

weeks, and you should be prepared to do physical thearapy/touch/massage with the

baby for a couple of hours a day. This actually really isn't a lot of time,

it's less time then a new mom spends breast feeding (which really surprised me

when I became a mom). So maybe find out what disabilities you may face and

consider if you are willing to deal with them.

4. In that amnio test in which doctors take out a bit of fluid and test it

for disabilities, they take out fluid. Therefore, in theory they should also be

able to replace fluid. Has this every been done with a synthetic fluid

( " formula " sort of)? Maybe research the Internet and see if it's every been

tried.

4. If it were me, I would weigh all that. At 17 weeks, you have a very

developed baby, as you know, and just a few more weeks inside mom will make a

huge

difference.

5. Finally, if you choose an abortion, how many more weeks do you have before

it cannot be legally done, if the federal ban on partial birth abortions is

upheld (I don't know a lot about abortion -- is that the kind you would need

since you are so far along)?

Just some thoughts. My best wishes go to you.

e

> I've been a member of this group for quite awhile, but have been a

> lurker for most of the past year.

>

> I'm 17 weeks pregnant and I've pretty much had complications the

> entire time. I was put on " limited activity " at about 6 weeks because

> the doctor discovered blood in my uterus. I had a U/S at 6 weeks b/c

> I was on fertility drugs and the docs wanted to know if there were

> multiples. I have a BU, butonly one side is " open. " So it's sort of a

> UU, because only the right side is available to carry a baby.

>

> A little over a week ago I was in the ER again with heavy bleeding,

> at that time they discovered I had very low amniotic fluid. I was put

> on bed rest at that time and told to lay on my side as much as

> possible. Yesterday, we saw a high-risk specialist and had another

> U/S. He discovered that I have virtually no amniotic fluid. My fluid

> level is at .9 cm, a typical 17 week pg woman would have b/n 15 and

> 20 cm.

>

> Without amniotic fluid the baby will not be able to develop properly.

> The biggest development problem will be with it's lungs. With little

> to no fluid the baby's lungs will not develop at all and it won't be

> able to live outside the womb.

>

> Because we were IF patients and have been trying for this baby for

> more than 3 years the doc is willing to wait and see what happens

> during the next two/three weeks. He wants a bunch of b/w done, and

> possibly amniocentisis, or a placental biopsey. (I'm 30 BTW, 1st PG)

> In 2 or 3 weeks I'll be 19 or 20 weeks.

>

> He said if situation does not repair itself and I still have no fluid

> then we may want to consider terminating the pregnancy. He said it is

> possible the baby will continue to grow and I can carry it to term,

> but he said as soon as it is born it will die, because it will have

> no ability to use it's lungs.

>

> I guess I'm looking for information, but I have no idea what info. I

> want. I do have an appt. this afternoon with my regular OB/GYN so he

> can answer any questions we have.

>

> Has anyone been through anything similar, or know of any information

> on the web about terminating a nonviable pregnancy at 20 weeks?

> Support groups? Web sites? Anything?

>

> I am just devestated. I've done nothing but cry during the past 24

> hours. I just can't imagine killing my own baby. But I also can't

> imagine carrying a baby, for another 20 weeks, that has no chance

> once it is outside the womb. Other than the fluid the baby has no

> problems that they can tell, he/she has managed to develop normally

> to this point.

>

> Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I wish I had answers for you, or even information that might help,

but all I can say is I'm so sorry you're going through this. I can only

imagine how incredibly difficult it must be fore you, facing a situation

like that and possibly having to make that sort of decision. You'll be in

my thoughts, and I hope you can find answers.

TTYL,

D. in Dallas

lisa@...

" The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. " --

Chinese Proverb

[Guest guest]

, I wish I had answers for you, or even information that might help,

but all I can say is I'm so sorry you're going through this. I can only

imagine how incredibly difficult it must be fore you, facing a situation

like that and possibly having to make that sort of decision. You'll be in

my thoughts, and I hope you can find answers.

TTYL,

D. in Dallas

lisa@...

" The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. " --

Chinese Proverb

[Guest guest]

, I wish I had answers for you, or even information that might help,

but all I can say is I'm so sorry you're going through this. I can only

imagine how incredibly difficult it must be fore you, facing a situation

like that and possibly having to make that sort of decision. You'll be in

my thoughts, and I hope you can find answers.

TTYL,

D. in Dallas

lisa@...

" The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. " --

Chinese Proverb

[Guest guest]

I've been a member of this group for quite awhile, but have been a

lurker for most of the past year.

I'm 17 weeks pregnant and I've pretty much had complications the

entire time. I was put on " limited activity " at about 6 weeks because

the doctor discovered blood in my uterus. I had a U/S at 6 weeks b/c

I was on fertility drugs and the docs wanted to know if there were

multiples. I have a BU, butonly one side is " open. " So it's sort of a

UU, because only the right side is available to carry a baby.

A little over a week ago I was in the ER again with heavy bleeding,

at that time they discovered I had very low amniotic fluid. I was put

on bed rest at that time and told to lay on my side as much as

possible. Yesterday, we saw a high-risk specialist and had another

U/S. He discovered that I have virtually no amniotic fluid. My fluid

level is at .9 cm, a typical 17 week pg woman would have b/n 15 and

20 cm.

Without amniotic fluid the baby will not be able to develop properly.

The biggest development problem will be with it's lungs. With little

to no fluid the baby's lungs will not develop at all and it won't be

able to live outside the womb.

Because we were IF patients and have been trying for this baby for

more than 3 years the doc is willing to wait and see what happens

during the next two/three weeks. He wants a bunch of b/w done, and

possibly amniocentisis, or a placental biopsey. (I'm 30 BTW, 1st PG)

In 2 or 3 weeks I'll be 19 or 20 weeks.

He said if situation does not repair itself and I still have no fluid

then we may want to consider terminating the pregnancy. He said it is

possible the baby will continue to grow and I can carry it to term,

but he said as soon as it is born it will die, because it will have

no ability to use it's lungs.

I guess I'm looking for information, but I have no idea what info. I

want. I do have an appt. this afternoon with my regular OB/GYN so he

can answer any questions we have.

Has anyone been through anything similar, or know of any information

on the web about terminating a nonviable pregnancy at 20 weeks?

Support groups? Web sites? Anything?

I am just devestated. I've done nothing but cry during the past 24

hours. I just can't imagine killing my own baby. But I also can't

imagine carrying a baby, for another 20 weeks, that has no chance

once it is outside the womb. Other than the fluid the baby has no

problems that they can tell, he/she has managed to develop normally

to this point.

Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

,

Wow. I am so sorry for what you are going through. You have found a

wonderful site here for support. I have a UU and carried my son to

24 weeks before I went into PTL that couldn't be stopped. He passed

away. Had I known at that time that I had the UU I would've been

monitored a lot closer. I can't make your decision for you, however,

I can only tell you what I think I would do having been pregnant

before. I would absolutely positively keep this baby. You have been

trying for a long time to get pregnant and I know what that's like

as well. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard where people

have been told to terminate their pregnancy and then everything be

perfectly fine or the problems a lot less minor. Hopefully, this is

your case but you can't know unless you try. I know, easy for me to

say. The only thing I can tell you is to pray about it and ask God

for strength. If your baby passes away then you'll never know what

the outcome would've been had you tried. I can't imagine wondering

that for the rest of my life. That in itself in my opinion would

help with closure. I'm am so sorry that you even have to make this

decision. Whatever you decide all of us girls in this group will

support you I'm sure. Just remember one thing, this is YOUR decision

and nobody elses. You are the one carrying that baby.

~ UU 1 loss @ 24 weeks (PTL)

[Guest guest]

,

There are no words that can make things better, I know - but I want

to send you major hugs. I am so very sorry you are going through

this. My thoughts are with you.

SU resected, bicollis

[Guest guest]

,

There are no words that can make things better, I know - but I want

to send you major hugs. I am so very sorry you are going through

this. My thoughts are with you.

SU resected, bicollis

[Guest guest]

,

There are no words that can make things better, I know - but I want

to send you major hugs. I am so very sorry you are going through

this. My thoughts are with you.

SU resected, bicollis

[Guest guest]

Oh ,

I'm so very sorry. I will give you what little info I have, and I

*will* find out more info for you in the next few days, ok? I

promise. The main thing is not to rush into any decision that will

end your precious baby's life without all the cards on the table.

All I know right now is that 1) My cousin had a baby in utero with

almost no fluid at all. The doctors said that baby wouldn't live

outside, also. Nonetheless, we are a strong Christian family and

don't believe in abortion, so she decided to carry her baby and give

it all the chance of life she could. The baby was born early (I

think around 30 or 32 weeks?) by c-section. Amazingly enough, even

though there was almost no fluid for all those weeks, the baby is

FINE FINE FINE! She is totally normal. 2) Doctors are not God.

They don't know everything. In fact, they don't know a lot of

things. There are lots of stories out there of doctors saying that

someone would die, wouldn't recover, would only have 6 mo to live,

etc, and none of that coming true. So I guess what I'm trying to say

is, if it were me, and it's not, I know it's not, but if it were me,

I would personally want to give my baby every single chance to live

that I could.

I'll keep you and your baby in my prayers.

Hugs,

Jill

SU resected

[Guest guest]

Oh ,

I'm so very sorry. I will give you what little info I have, and I

*will* find out more info for you in the next few days, ok? I

promise. The main thing is not to rush into any decision that will

end your precious baby's life without all the cards on the table.

All I know right now is that 1) My cousin had a baby in utero with

almost no fluid at all. The doctors said that baby wouldn't live

outside, also. Nonetheless, we are a strong Christian family and

don't believe in abortion, so she decided to carry her baby and give

it all the chance of life she could. The baby was born early (I

think around 30 or 32 weeks?) by c-section. Amazingly enough, even

though there was almost no fluid for all those weeks, the baby is

FINE FINE FINE! She is totally normal. 2) Doctors are not God.

They don't know everything. In fact, they don't know a lot of

things. There are lots of stories out there of doctors saying that

someone would die, wouldn't recover, would only have 6 mo to live,

etc, and none of that coming true. So I guess what I'm trying to say

is, if it were me, and it's not, I know it's not, but if it were me,

I would personally want to give my baby every single chance to live

that I could.

I'll keep you and your baby in my prayers.

Hugs,

Jill

SU resected