Re: National Class A Uniform

[Guest guest]

says:

>

> The problem is Larry, we are Public Safety first, and everything else

> second.

We? In many systems, yes, but not in all systems. I have worked hospital

based systems where we were NOT public safety. We were medical

professionals, as it should be.

Ever heard the old saying, " if you always do what you have always done, you

will always get what you have always gotten " ? That is where EMS is now.

Still trying to fit in with the badge-and-patch " public safety " crowd, and

still getting paid like them... or worse.

Mark my words; as long as we look like firemen, we will NEVER see our

profession be paid or respected by the public as degreed medical

professionals.

Rob

[Guest guest]

If you go back to the very beginning of the program, and look at the reasons we

were creatred in a reaction to the white papers, " Accidental death and

disability, the forgotten disease of modern man " We were created to offset that

problem, and that is public safety.

I know that much has been learned since, and we do a great deal we did not do

then, but we must not forget the goal. Public Safety!

Rob wrote:

says:

>

> The problem is Larry, we are Public Safety first, and everything else

> second.

We? In many systems, yes, but not in all systems. I have worked hospital

based systems where we were NOT public safety. We were medical

professionals, as it should be.

Ever heard the old saying, " if you always do what you have always done, you

will always get what you have always gotten " ? That is where EMS is now.

Still trying to fit in with the badge-and-patch " public safety " crowd, and

still getting paid like them... or worse.

Mark my words; as long as we look like firemen, we will NEVER see our

profession be paid or respected by the public as degreed medical

professionals.

Rob

[Guest guest]

If you go back to the very beginning of the program, and look at the reasons we

were creatred in a reaction to the white papers, " Accidental death and

disability, the forgotten disease of modern man " We were created to offset that

problem, and that is public safety.

I know that much has been learned since, and we do a great deal we did not do

then, but we must not forget the goal. Public Safety!

Rob wrote:

says:

>

> The problem is Larry, we are Public Safety first, and everything else

> second.

We? In many systems, yes, but not in all systems. I have worked hospital

based systems where we were NOT public safety. We were medical

professionals, as it should be.

Ever heard the old saying, " if you always do what you have always done, you

will always get what you have always gotten " ? That is where EMS is now.

Still trying to fit in with the badge-and-patch " public safety " crowd, and

still getting paid like them... or worse.

Mark my words; as long as we look like firemen, we will NEVER see our

profession be paid or respected by the public as degreed medical

professionals.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Uh all the paid privates in this area of Texas and all the fire departments ems

in this area wear uniforms, not class a but unique uniforms.

Re: Re: National Class A Uniform

Terry,

Well, thank you for reading. I use humor to poke fun at some folks who may

be a little too pompous for their own good. And uniform freaks are fair

game, to me. I'm with you on what we need to wear for funerals, about the

only

time a Class A would ever be used. Me, I'll go with a pair of starched

Wranglers, a starched white shirt, my best black hat, and my best boots.

I don't give a shit how they do it in New York, Louisiana, or Chicago. I'm

from Texas.

Kinky for Governor!

Gene

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Uh all the paid privates in this area of Texas and all the fire departments ems

in this area wear uniforms, not class a but unique uniforms.

Re: Re: National Class A Uniform

Terry,

Well, thank you for reading. I use humor to poke fun at some folks who may

be a little too pompous for their own good. And uniform freaks are fair

game, to me. I'm with you on what we need to wear for funerals, about the

only

time a Class A would ever be used. Me, I'll go with a pair of starched

Wranglers, a starched white shirt, my best black hat, and my best boots.

I don't give a shit how they do it in New York, Louisiana, or Chicago. I'm

from Texas.

Kinky for Governor!

Gene

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Don't those spurs get in the way on calls?

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EMT-B

> I haven't waded in on this, but now I guess I will.

>

> The idea of a Class A Uniform for EMS based upon a fire department

suit is

> not only silly, it is not needed, and few if any folks who do not

already work

> for fire departments and already have a Class A suit will buy it.

>

> Nobody else will buy it, and I cannot think of a single private

service that

> would pay $500 for a suit for each medic to be worn on maybe one

occasion

> every three years.

>

> Why did NAEMT come out with this? You need to know Mr. Bouvier, the

> President. That's all I intend to say.

>

> What's the Class A uniform for a board certified trauma surgeon?

An ACEP

> physician? A family practice PA? A CEN nurse?

>

> Reminds me of those folks who wear their uniforms to the Texas EMS

> Conference, with merit badges dripping from each sleeve, the chest,

and on their gimmie

> caps, with eleven pairs of hemostats, a laryngoscope, six ET tubes,

a bunch of

> 14 gauge caths, and a flashlight and box of gloves around their waist.

>

> According to USA Today last Friday, EMS has received only 4% of the

money

> allotted by Congress for bioterrorism preparedness. Now we've got

NAEMT

> proposing that we all go out and spend $500 for a Class A uniform.

>

> Go figure. Spend $0.37 on a stamp and write your Congressman about

the

> failure of EMS to receive its share of homeland security funding and

save your

> $500 for a Class A uniform. You'll have a lot more impact.

>

> Just my opinion.

>

> Mr. Grady,

>

> a/k/a Gene Gandy, Resident Cynic, Class A, with scrambled eggs on

the hat,

> epaulets, 5 gold stars on each shoulder, medals for each and every

alphabet

> course, stripes on the sleeve for years as a Paramedic, more stripes

on each

> sleeve for each year as an educator, a sunburst medal for being a

Lawyer, Sash,

> Sword, and Napoleanic Over-The-Knee Boots with Platinum spurs.

>

>

> E.(Gene) Gandy

> POB 1651

> Albany, TX 76430

> wegandy1938@a...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well stated? Really? Sounds more like our friend Mr. Grady just

cashed a retainer check. NAEMT should spend our money on something

that makes a difference and let IAFF do the uniform song and dance.

The so called class A uniform is an insult.

Even Admiral Ken of mortarboard fame doesn't have that silver of a

tongue. Where was he working before he caught that bus?

Larry

> Well stated Gene! Short, precise, and to the point.

> I love it.

>

> Smart, LP

> EMS Director, Karnes County EMS

>

> Re: Re: National Class A Uniform

>

>

> >

> > Terry,

> >

> > Well, thank you for reading. I use humor to poke fun at some

folks who

> > may

> > be a little too pompous for their own good. And uniform freaks

are fair

> > game, to me. I'm with you on what we need to wear for funerals,

about

> > the only

> > time a Class A would ever be used. Me, I'll go with a pair of

starched

> > Wranglers, a starched white shirt, my best black hat, and my best

boots.

> >

> > I don't give a shit how they do it in New York, Louisiana, or

Chicago.

> > I'm

> > from Texas.

> >

> > Kinky for Governor!

> >

> > Gene

> >

> >

> >

> > E.(Gene) Gandy

> > POB 1651

> > Albany, TX 76430

> > wegandy1938@a...

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

YEP THEY WOULD BE IN OUR WAY ON CALLS, THATS WHY WE

HAVE CUT DOWN ON OUR WORKERS COMP ABOUT 94%, ITS NOW A SAFETY

HAZZARD ISSUE........LOLOLOLOLOLOOOLO

TERRY W.RICHARDSON,EMT-B

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>> I haven't waded in on this, but now I guess I will.<BR>

>> <BR>

>> The idea of a Class A Uniform for EMS based upon a fire department<BR>

>suit is <BR>

>> not only silly, it is not needed, and few if any folks who do not<BR>

>already work <BR>

>> for fire departments and already have a Class A suit will buy it.<BR>

>> <BR>

>> Nobody else will buy it, and I cannot think of a single private<BR>

>service that <BR>

>> would pay $500 for a suit for each medic to be worn on maybe one<BR>

>occasion <BR>

>> every three years.   <BR>

>> <BR>

>> Why did NAEMT come out with this?   You need to know Mr. Bouvier, the <BR>

>> President.   That's all I intend to say.   <BR>

>> <BR>

>> What's the Class A uniform for a board certified trauma surgeon?  <BR>

>An ACEP <BR>

>> physician?   A family practice PA?   A CEN nurse?<BR>

>> <BR>

>> Reminds me of those folks who wear their uniforms to the Texas EMS <BR>

>> Conference, with merit badges dripping from each sleeve, the chest,<BR>

>and on their gimmie <BR>

>> caps, with eleven pairs of hemostats, a laryngoscope, six ET tubes,<BR>

>a bunch of <BR>

>> 14 gauge caths, and a flashlight and   box of gloves around their waist.<BR>

>> <BR>

>> According to USA Today last Friday, EMS has received only 4% of the<BR>

>money <BR>

>> allotted by Congress for bioterrorism preparedness.   Now we've got<BR>

>NAEMT <BR>

>> proposing that we all go out and spend $500 for a Class A uniform.   <BR>

>> <BR>

>> Go figure.   Spend $0.37 on a stamp and write your Congressman about<BR>

>the <BR>

>> failure of EMS to receive its share of homeland security funding and<BR>

>save your <BR>

>> $500 for a Class A uniform.   You'll have a lot more impact.<BR>

>> <BR>

>> Just my opinion.   <BR>

>> <BR>

>> Mr. Grady,<BR>

>> <BR>

>> a/k/a Gene Gandy,   Resident Cynic, Class A, with scrambled eggs on<BR>

>the hat, <BR>

>> epaulets, 5 gold stars on each shoulder, medals for each and every<BR>

>alphabet <BR>

>> course, stripes on the sleeve for years as a Paramedic, more stripes<BR>

>  on each <BR>

>> sleeve for each year as an educator, a sunburst medal for being a<BR>

>Lawyer, Sash, <BR>

>> Sword, and Napoleanic Over-The-Knee Boots with Platinum spurs.<BR>

>> <BR>

>> <BR>

>> E.(Gene) Gandy<BR>

>> POB 1651<BR>

>> Albany, TX 76430<BR>

>> wegandy1938@a...<BR>

>> <BR>

>> <BR>

>> <BR>

>>

[Guest guest]

Well said Larry.

Larry wrote:

-- " L. H. Pacchioni " wrote:

" Well stated? Really? Sounds more like our friend Mr. Grady just

cashed a retainer check. NAEMT should spend our money on something

that makes a difference and let IAFF do the uniform song and dance.

The so called class A uniform is an insult....Even Admiral Ken of mortarboard

fame doesn't have that silver of a tongue. Where was he working before he caught

that bus? "

All I see as a 'two-fer' ad hominem attack on your part. When someone can't

defend their position, they attack the man. Where is your counter argument? And

it better be pretty convincing, because you have started off on the wrong foot

already.

IF I were to wear one of those suits, I'd be one of those that have 5 of those

SOL doohickeys above the braid. I for one believe that EMS' future is as a

public health service. The EMS Agenda for the Future and the National Scope of

Practice are focusing toward that direction. So, I am not particularly enamored

with the Public Safety image perpetuation.

However, as long as the Fire Service is the predominent provider of EMS in the

nation, EMS will be part of Public Safety. The image is, and will be for the

foreseeable future, one that we are part of. As long as there are lights and

sirens, the public perception will be 'Public Safety'.

We also have to be realistic. " Show me the money " makes a lot of sense. If NAEMT

can go to Congress and get EMS a more equitable share than the 4% of the

Homeland First Responder funds that we are currently getting, I would care less

if the spokesperson that can do it is wearing a Class A uniform, or a suit, or a

set of starched scrubs, or a loincloth.

When we become more of a mature profession, then we can work toward separating

from where we are to where I feel we should be. Perhaps now is not the time, but

we can work toward it. The Grand Canyon wasn't created overnight, and medicine

has only evolved from the barbers and apprentices in the last 125 years. Being

insulting is not an effort to improving the system.

Larry RN LP