Re: Glutathione gene, Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

magnesium so I'm already taking them.

The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

start taking those two separately then.

So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione though

according the test I'm lacking the gene? Otherwise I'd be dead

already?

Joni

>

>

> Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> posts from Andy.

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

>

> summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

>

> summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

>

> >>

> Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> false beliefs that they keep reciting.

>

> Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

Nothing

> else will replace chelation.

>

> The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

>

> Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

glycine

> and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

you

> are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

precursor).

>

> When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

making

> glutathione.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

magnesium so I'm already taking them.

The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

start taking those two separately then.

So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione though

according the test I'm lacking the gene? Otherwise I'd be dead

already?

Joni

>

>

> Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> posts from Andy.

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

>

> summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

>

> summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

>

> >>

> Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> false beliefs that they keep reciting.

>

> Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

Nothing

> else will replace chelation.

>

> The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

>

> Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

glycine

> and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

you

> are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

precursor).

>

> When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

making

> glutathione.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

>

> Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

> magnesium so I'm already taking them.

>

> The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

> glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

> start taking those two separately then.

>

It's alot cheaper to take glutamine and glycine separately. I buy

them in bulk powder and put them in my blender drink.

Oral glutathione doesn't help and can hurt some people. In your case

I *think* it is just adding to an already high sulfur load because of

all of the sulfury things your doc had you on.

> So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione

Yes

> though

> according the test I'm lacking the gene?

If you post your results maybe Andy can explain what the test means,

if anything.

> Otherwise I'd be dead

> already?

>

> Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> > glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> > posts from Andy.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

> >

> > >>

> > Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> > false beliefs that they keep reciting.

> >

> > Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> > process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

> Nothing

> > else will replace chelation.

> >

> > The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> > antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> > antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

> >

> > Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> > enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

> glycine

> > and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

> you

> > are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> > pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> > When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

> precursor).

> >

> > When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

> making

> > glutathione.

> >

> > J

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

>

> Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

> magnesium so I'm already taking them.

>

> The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

> glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

> start taking those two separately then.

>

It's alot cheaper to take glutamine and glycine separately. I buy

them in bulk powder and put them in my blender drink.

Oral glutathione doesn't help and can hurt some people. In your case

I *think* it is just adding to an already high sulfur load because of

all of the sulfury things your doc had you on.

> So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione

Yes

> though

> according the test I'm lacking the gene?

If you post your results maybe Andy can explain what the test means,

if anything.

> Otherwise I'd be dead

> already?

>

> Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> > glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> > posts from Andy.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

> >

> > >>

> > Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> > false beliefs that they keep reciting.

> >

> > Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> > process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

> Nothing

> > else will replace chelation.

> >

> > The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> > antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> > antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

> >

> > Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> > enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

> glycine

> > and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

> you

> > are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> > pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> > When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

> precursor).

> >

> > When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

> making

> > glutathione.

> >

> > J

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

>

> Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

> magnesium so I'm already taking them.

>

> The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

> glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

> start taking those two separately then.

>

It's alot cheaper to take glutamine and glycine separately. I buy

them in bulk powder and put them in my blender drink.

Oral glutathione doesn't help and can hurt some people. In your case

I *think* it is just adding to an already high sulfur load because of

all of the sulfury things your doc had you on.

> So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione

Yes

> though

> according the test I'm lacking the gene?

If you post your results maybe Andy can explain what the test means,

if anything.

> Otherwise I'd be dead

> already?

>

> Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> > glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> > posts from Andy.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

> >

> > >>

> > Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> > false beliefs that they keep reciting.

> >

> > Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> > process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

> Nothing

> > else will replace chelation.

> >

> > The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> > antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> > antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

> >

> > Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> > enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

> glycine

> > and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

> you

> > are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> > pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> > When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

> precursor).

> >

> > When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

> making

> > glutathione.

> >

> > J

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi and thanks again. I saw those 2 posts by Andy, too.

>

> Actually, my doc did prescribe me big doses of vitamin C and E and

> magnesium so I'm already taking them.

>

> The Glutation complex that I was taking includes also glycin and

> glutamin acid - but it also has glutathione. So I guess I should

> start taking those two separately then.

>

> So you think that my liver IS able to make glutathione though

> according the test I'm lacking the gene? Otherwise I'd be dead

> already?

>

> Joni

I lack that gene and my glutathione tested in the low end of

the NORMAL range. So my body is managing to make glutathione.

There are other genes involved in glutathione production.

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>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> > glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a couple of

> > posts from Andy.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione genes.

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> >

> > summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

> >

> > >>

> > Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or have

> > false beliefs that they keep reciting.

> >

> > Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> > process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

> Nothing

> > else will replace chelation.

> >

> > The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> > antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> > antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually do.

> >

> > Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of the

> > enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

> glycine

> > and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time. If

> you

> > are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your cysteine

> > pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine yet.

> > When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

> precursor).

> >

> > When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

> making

> > glutathione.

> >

> > J

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

That's interesting. Did you take the detoxigenomic profile by Great

Smokies also?

Joni

>

>

> I lack that gene and my glutathione tested in the low end of

> the NORMAL range. So my body is managing to make glutathione.

>

> There are other genes involved in glutathione production.

>

> --

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your doctor has misinterpreted the test results. It's like the

> > > glutathione gene thing is the latest buzz word. I found a

couple of

> > > posts from Andy.

> > >

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> > >

> > > summary - if you are alive you are not missing glutathione

genes.

> > >

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187972.html

> > >

> > > summary - the Detoxigenomic tests are not useful

> > >

> > > >>

> > > Doctors can get us real confused when they are misinformed or

have

> > > false beliefs that they keep reciting.

> > >

> > > Your liver can produce glutathione. Mercury interfers with the

> > > process and will continue to do so until you chelate it out.

> > Nothing

> > > else will replace chelation.

> > >

> > > The best things that you can do right now are to take lots of

> > > antioxidants (start with vitamin C and vitamin E) so that those

> > > antioxidants do some of the jobs that glutathione would usually

do.

> > >

> > > Then, start to supplement Mg because Mg is involved in most of

the

> > > enzymes in the glutathione pathway. Then, start to supplement

> > glycine

> > > and glutamine (2 amino acid precursors) for a period of time.

If

> > you

> > > are not tolerating NAC right now it could be because your

cysteine

> > > pool is already high, so you don't need to supplement cysteine

yet.

> > > When you can, add NAC (contains cysteine, the 3rd amino acid

> > precursor).

> > >

> > > When you start to chelate your body will get more efficient at

> > making

> > > glutathione.

> > >

> > > J

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> That's interesting. Did you take the detoxigenomic profile by Great

> Smokies also?

>

> Joni

Yes. I did it a few years ago before I knew about Andy's work and

before I knew anything about metal toxicity. At the time, I was

thinking my problems must be genetic since I've had some degree of

problems all my life. This test did show some genetic issues with

my detox system, but these do not come close to explaining my

problems. The supportive measures recommended in the test results,

which I did follow to a certain extent, were insufficient and did

not address my problems and may have done some harm. For some

people, those measures would have done a lot of harm (eg, increased

sulfur foods and supps).

Since learning about Andy's work and reading more about all this, I

have come to believe this detoxigenomic profile is not useful since

our detox pathways are so messed up by acquired toxins that the

genetic picture is irrelevant. We need to look at symptoms, and

for some people the comprehensive detox profile may be helpful as

well. Based on that information, we may want to choose additional

supportive supplements, per Andy's recommendations in the book.

I do take antioxidants and milk thistle as Andy recommends. That

is probably why my glutathione is in the normal range.

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