Re: Pancreas anatomy question.

[Guest guest]

Rob,yes there is a secondary duct. The main duct is called the Duct of

Wirsung and the smaller duct is called the Duct of Santorini. For those

of us with pancreatic divisum, those two ducts are not connected or are

only partially connected and don't work, or the major duct doesn't work

and so the only drainage is through the smaller duct. I have two small

parallel ducts instead of one duct that splits into two. Both are

smaller then they should be and one is only opened on one end so that

nothing exited through it (though I had this fix by surgery). There are

really good diagrams of both on the Hopkin's GI website

http://hopkins-gi.org/subspecialties/chronic/introduction/anatomy.htm

Kimber

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Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Dot,

i'm so sorry that krystal has been in the hospital again. Give her a hug

for me.

Kimber

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Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Dot,

i'm so sorry that krystal has been in the hospital again. Give her a hug

for me.

Kimber

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Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Dot,

i'm so sorry that krystal has been in the hospital again. Give her a hug

for me.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Also,

has anyone considered that those statistis may not be true, but only

assumed by physicians who believe people have it

from alcoholism and may not be correct. I know a lot of the group have

dealt with physicians who were absolutely convinced that the people had

pancreatitis from alcoholism, but didn't and used that in their

statistics? Plus, they are not counting any of the people who are

misdiagnosed and could raise the percentage of nonalcoholic causes of

pancreatitis? And in the literature I've read, it's listed as 75-80% of

cause, so there is some lessening of the statistics going on.

Kimber

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Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Also,

has anyone considered that those statistis may not be true, but only

assumed by physicians who believe people have it

from alcoholism and may not be correct. I know a lot of the group have

dealt with physicians who were absolutely convinced that the people had

pancreatitis from alcoholism, but didn't and used that in their

statistics? Plus, they are not counting any of the people who are

misdiagnosed and could raise the percentage of nonalcoholic causes of

pancreatitis? And in the literature I've read, it's listed as 75-80% of

cause, so there is some lessening of the statistics going on.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Also,

has anyone considered that those statistis may not be true, but only

assumed by physicians who believe people have it

from alcoholism and may not be correct. I know a lot of the group have

dealt with physicians who were absolutely convinced that the people had

pancreatitis from alcoholism, but didn't and used that in their

statistics? Plus, they are not counting any of the people who are

misdiagnosed and could raise the percentage of nonalcoholic causes of

pancreatitis? And in the literature I've read, it's listed as 75-80% of

cause, so there is some lessening of the statistics going on.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Well said, Poncho!

Kimber

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Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Well said, Poncho!

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Well said, Poncho!

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Dear Kimber,

Thanks for the great web-site you posted. The illustrations are

excellent and give me a much better understanding of the anatomy

of my pancreatic problem (SOD). Your help is greatly appreciated.

God Bless,

Amy

-- In pancreatitis@y..., Kimber <hominid2@c...> wrote:

> Rob,yes there is a secondary duct. The main duct is called the Duct

of

> Wirsung and the smaller duct is called the Duct of Santorini. For

those

> of us with pancreatic divisum, those two ducts are not connected or

are

> only partially connected and don't work, or the major duct doesn't

work

> and so the only drainage is through the smaller duct. I have two

small

> parallel ducts instead of one duct that splits into two. Both are

> smaller then they should be and one is only opened on one end so

that

> nothing exited through it (though I had this fix by surgery). There

are

> really good diagrams of both on the Hopkin's GI website

> http://hopkins-

gi.org/subspecialties/chronic/introduction/anatomy.htm

> Kimber

>

> --

> Kimber

>

> hominid2@c...

>

> California State Chapter Representative

>

> Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Dear Kimber,

Thanks for the great web-site you posted. The illustrations are

excellent and give me a much better understanding of the anatomy

of my pancreatic problem (SOD). Your help is greatly appreciated.

God Bless,

Amy

-- In pancreatitis@y..., Kimber <hominid2@c...> wrote:

> Rob,yes there is a secondary duct. The main duct is called the Duct

of

> Wirsung and the smaller duct is called the Duct of Santorini. For

those

> of us with pancreatic divisum, those two ducts are not connected or

are

> only partially connected and don't work, or the major duct doesn't

work

> and so the only drainage is through the smaller duct. I have two

small

> parallel ducts instead of one duct that splits into two. Both are

> smaller then they should be and one is only opened on one end so

that

> nothing exited through it (though I had this fix by surgery). There

are

> really good diagrams of both on the Hopkin's GI website

> http://hopkins-

gi.org/subspecialties/chronic/introduction/anatomy.htm

> Kimber

>

> --

> Kimber

>

> hominid2@c...

>

> California State Chapter Representative

>

> Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/9/01 11:40:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maryg7878@... writes:

> So I just think it's not really fair to use members on this board as

> an example of what the true statistics might be, since the people on

> this board really don't represent a true cross-section of society.

>

> Just thought I'd throw that out

>

>

, your point is well taken and absolutely correct. But, I still think the

" generally accepted " theories and views of the medical profession is suspect.

Just what the correct cause - effect relationship is, I have not a clue. But

I would ask these questions.

If 80% of CP is caused by chronic alcohol abuse, why does it seem that the

wino population doesn't seem to suffer dramatically from this condition?

Since VA hospitals see a substantial level of alcohol abuse, why is so little

published about CP from VA hospitals?

Does the rate of incidence of CP correspond to the rate if incidence of

chronic alcohol abuse, not the same rate but at least a correlation?

What is exactly the internal organic chemistry of alcohol and the normal

pancreatic chemical functions?

Just a few things to ponder, and I doubt that we find the answers for a while.

Poncho

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/9/01 11:40:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maryg7878@... writes:

> So I just think it's not really fair to use members on this board as

> an example of what the true statistics might be, since the people on

> this board really don't represent a true cross-section of society.

>

> Just thought I'd throw that out

>

>

, your point is well taken and absolutely correct. But, I still think the

" generally accepted " theories and views of the medical profession is suspect.

Just what the correct cause - effect relationship is, I have not a clue. But

I would ask these questions.

If 80% of CP is caused by chronic alcohol abuse, why does it seem that the

wino population doesn't seem to suffer dramatically from this condition?

Since VA hospitals see a substantial level of alcohol abuse, why is so little

published about CP from VA hospitals?

Does the rate of incidence of CP correspond to the rate if incidence of

chronic alcohol abuse, not the same rate but at least a correlation?

What is exactly the internal organic chemistry of alcohol and the normal

pancreatic chemical functions?

Just a few things to ponder, and I doubt that we find the answers for a while.

Poncho

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/9/01 11:40:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maryg7878@... writes:

> So I just think it's not really fair to use members on this board as

> an example of what the true statistics might be, since the people on

> this board really don't represent a true cross-section of society.

>

> Just thought I'd throw that out

>

>

, your point is well taken and absolutely correct. But, I still think the

" generally accepted " theories and views of the medical profession is suspect.

Just what the correct cause - effect relationship is, I have not a clue. But

I would ask these questions.

If 80% of CP is caused by chronic alcohol abuse, why does it seem that the

wino population doesn't seem to suffer dramatically from this condition?

Since VA hospitals see a substantial level of alcohol abuse, why is so little

published about CP from VA hospitals?

Does the rate of incidence of CP correspond to the rate if incidence of

chronic alcohol abuse, not the same rate but at least a correlation?

What is exactly the internal organic chemistry of alcohol and the normal

pancreatic chemical functions?

Just a few things to ponder, and I doubt that we find the answers for a while.

Poncho

[Guest guest]

Amy,

I'm glad it was of help. When I first ran across it, i ended up printing

out everything and putting in a binder and I continually refer it to

people since it details things so well.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

[Guest guest]

Amy,

I'm glad it was of help. When I first ran across it, i ended up printing

out everything and putting in a binder and I continually refer it to

people since it details things so well.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International