Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase - now excessive weight loss

[Guest guest]

That isn't what is talking about. She's talking about doing

the South Beach Diet, not a diet under a doctor's care, not surgery,

but the South Beach Diet, where the average weight loss for a woman

is 1/2 to 2 lbs per week.

ann

<

>

> ...

>

> Many times this is a matter of saving someone's

> life..and if you sit back and think about it for a

> split second..

>

> If someone is 3 or 4 hundred pounds and loses at the

> rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week does that equal the same

> percentage as someone that is 121 pounds and losing at

> the very same rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week?

>

> I am not going to comment any further on this.. since

> it has caused such a stir.. but on the other hand I

> cannot sit by and read things that I know not to be

> factual..

>

> >

[Guest guest]

That isn't what is talking about. She's talking about doing

the South Beach Diet, not a diet under a doctor's care, not surgery,

but the South Beach Diet, where the average weight loss for a woman

is 1/2 to 2 lbs per week.

ann

<

>

> ...

>

> Many times this is a matter of saving someone's

> life..and if you sit back and think about it for a

> split second..

>

> If someone is 3 or 4 hundred pounds and loses at the

> rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week does that equal the same

> percentage as someone that is 121 pounds and losing at

> the very same rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week?

>

> I am not going to comment any further on this.. since

> it has caused such a stir.. but on the other hand I

> cannot sit by and read things that I know not to be

> factual..

>

> >

[Guest guest]

That isn't what is talking about. She's talking about doing

the South Beach Diet, not a diet under a doctor's care, not surgery,

but the South Beach Diet, where the average weight loss for a woman

is 1/2 to 2 lbs per week.

ann

<

>

> ...

>

> Many times this is a matter of saving someone's

> life..and if you sit back and think about it for a

> split second..

>

> If someone is 3 or 4 hundred pounds and loses at the

> rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week does that equal the same

> percentage as someone that is 121 pounds and losing at

> the very same rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week?

>

> I am not going to comment any further on this.. since

> it has caused such a stir.. but on the other hand I

> cannot sit by and read things that I know not to be

> factual..

>

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I don't believe *is* 3 or 4 hundred

pounds. We are not talking about life-or-death

in her case. And if we were, we would be wrong

to, as she should be talking to her doctor and

taking his/her advice, not ours. That is the

problem with 'diagnosing and treating' people on

an internet list. We are NOT professionals NOR

experts, and we can't possibly know everything

that comes into play in an individual's situation

that we have never met in person.

Where are your facts, figures, SOURCES? Give us

citations or links so anyone can look up the info

for themselves.

How do you KNOW that I am wrong? Because you

were able to lose weight (and wasn't that before

SBD?)? Because your BF did? Two do not make a

study. Are you a registered or licensed

bariatric anything? Nutritionist? Dietician?

Show me the studies - PROVE me wrong - that say

that kind of weight loss is good for someone who

isn't 3 or 4 hundred pounds or in a life-or-death

situation. Then I will agree with you. Not

until then, though.

Again - the members here should take any of our

NON-professional/NON-expert advice for what it is

worth and do their own research and check with

their own doctor FIRST.

B.

--- wrote:

>

> ...

>

> Many times this is a matter of saving someone's

> life..and if you sit back and think about it

> for a split second..

>

> If someone is 3 or 4 hundred pounds and loses

> at the

> rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week does that equal

> the same

> percentage as someone that is 121 pounds and

> losing at

> the very same rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week?

>

> I am not going to comment any further on this..

> since it has caused such a stir.. but on the

other

> hand I

> cannot sit by and read things that I know not

> to be factual..

>

>

> --- wrote:

> > This kind of weight loss is excessive,

> unhealthy,

> > and unsustainable, from everything I've read.

>

> > Sure its been done, and I totally understand

> the

> > desire to drop a lot of weight right now!,

> but

> > optimum weight loss to keep the weight off is

> 1 -

> > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that, most

> people

> > pile the weight right back on.

> >

> > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more

> rapidly,

> > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should* slow

> (and

> > a lot of people's loss slows on the second

> week

> > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds EVERY

> WEEK

> > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless you are

> > under a doctor's close supervision and have

> > his/her approval.

> >

> > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert, though

> some

> > write like one. As far as I know, no-one has

> a

> > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are they

> > officially (as in at a college or university)

> > studying the same, and they do not know you

> or

> > your specific condition(s).

> >

> > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE, before

> > trying such a plan!

> >

> > B.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi ..

> > >

> > > Am not sure what you weigh now but a 50

> pound

> > > weight

> > > loss over 3 months time sounds reasonable

> to my

> > > ears.

> > >

> > > That would equal out to about 4 plus pounds

> a

> > > week..

> > >

> > <snip!>

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> I

> > > know

> > > > people that has lost

> > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> diet

> > > so I

> > > > know it is possible.

> > > >

> > <more snippage>

[Guest guest]

,

I don't believe *is* 3 or 4 hundred

pounds. We are not talking about life-or-death

in her case. And if we were, we would be wrong

to, as she should be talking to her doctor and

taking his/her advice, not ours. That is the

problem with 'diagnosing and treating' people on

an internet list. We are NOT professionals NOR

experts, and we can't possibly know everything

that comes into play in an individual's situation

that we have never met in person.

Where are your facts, figures, SOURCES? Give us

citations or links so anyone can look up the info

for themselves.

How do you KNOW that I am wrong? Because you

were able to lose weight (and wasn't that before

SBD?)? Because your BF did? Two do not make a

study. Are you a registered or licensed

bariatric anything? Nutritionist? Dietician?

Show me the studies - PROVE me wrong - that say

that kind of weight loss is good for someone who

isn't 3 or 4 hundred pounds or in a life-or-death

situation. Then I will agree with you. Not

until then, though.

Again - the members here should take any of our

NON-professional/NON-expert advice for what it is

worth and do their own research and check with

their own doctor FIRST.

B.

--- wrote:

>

> ...

>

> Many times this is a matter of saving someone's

> life..and if you sit back and think about it

> for a split second..

>

> If someone is 3 or 4 hundred pounds and loses

> at the

> rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week does that equal

> the same

> percentage as someone that is 121 pounds and

> losing at

> the very same rate of 1 or 2 pounds a week?

>

> I am not going to comment any further on this..

> since it has caused such a stir.. but on the

other

> hand I

> cannot sit by and read things that I know not

> to be factual..

>

>

> --- wrote:

> > This kind of weight loss is excessive,

> unhealthy,

> > and unsustainable, from everything I've read.

>

> > Sure its been done, and I totally understand

> the

> > desire to drop a lot of weight right now!,

> but

> > optimum weight loss to keep the weight off is

> 1 -

> > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that, most

> people

> > pile the weight right back on.

> >

> > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more

> rapidly,

> > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should* slow

> (and

> > a lot of people's loss slows on the second

> week

> > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds EVERY

> WEEK

> > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless you are

> > under a doctor's close supervision and have

> > his/her approval.

> >

> > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert, though

> some

> > write like one. As far as I know, no-one has

> a

> > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are they

> > officially (as in at a college or university)

> > studying the same, and they do not know you

> or

> > your specific condition(s).

> >

> > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE, before

> > trying such a plan!

> >

> > B.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi ..

> > >

> > > Am not sure what you weigh now but a 50

> pound

> > > weight

> > > loss over 3 months time sounds reasonable

> to my

> > > ears.

> > >

> > > That would equal out to about 4 plus pounds

> a

> > > week..

> > >

> > <snip!>

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> I

> > > know

> > > > people that has lost

> > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> diet

> > > so I

> > > > know it is possible.

> > > >

> > <more snippage>

[Guest guest]

Sorry ...

Had a friend on his WOE and she was eating 1200

calories a day just like you are presently... and she

was losing 20 pounds a month.. So you are grossly

mistaken thinking people on his WOE are eating 500

calories a day..

I think taking a daily vitamin is something everyone

should do.. especially after the age of 50...

As a matter of fact his diet is somewhat similar to

SB.. except he adds fruits in his Phase 1... and his

diet is also a WOE if not all of his patients would

regain their weight over time.

--- clbrewers wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> --- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Connie..

>

> Hmm... last I checked my name was still . Let

> me check my name

> tag.... <G>

>

> > The most common reason people put the weight back

> on

> > is they revert to their old eating habits... <in

> my

> > non professional opinion as well here> I am next

> to

> > certain Dr Berenstein would agree with me there...

>

> I'm sure most everyone would agree with you. IMO, SB

> is easier to

> stay ON-plan long-term than other diets I've read

> about; its meant to

> be way-of-eating - one that really doesn't deprive

> you of so much as

> other diets do. That is why many people doing SB

> call it a WOE, not

> a diet.

>

> > If you wish to refer to healthy weight loss you

> are

> > more than welcome to contact Dr Stanley K

> Berenstein,

> > MD.. who has dedicated over 25 years of his

> medical

> > practice to bariatrics.. His diet regimens are

> > renowned for healthy rapid weight loss and superb

> long

> > term sucess rates..

>

> Do you mean Dr. Stanley K. Bernstein? I couldn't

> find a Stanley K.

> Berenstein on Google:

>

>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bernstein_diet/index.h

> tml

>

> In this article (the only one that appears to be

> from a non-biased

> source from Googling) it says his plan has you

> eating only 500

> calories a DAY! There is also a quote from Dr.

> Blackburn,

> from the Harvard Medical School ( " an internationally

> recognized

> expert in obesity and clinical nutrition... " )?

>

> Dr. Blackburn says in the article:

>

> " Any time you're eating less than a thousand

> calories and losing more

> than two pounds or three pounds per week, you would

> be in semi-

> starvation mode and that would require medical

> supervision, " he says.

>

> Blackburn adds there are several dangers to rapid

> weight loss,

> including:

>

> You may get sick — suffer from dizziness and feel

> light-headed

> Possible gall bladder attack

> The faster you lose weight, the more likely you are

> to regain it

>

> Rapid weight loss, he said, is not " worthwhile

> except in a medical

> emergency. "

>

> I see a lot of press releases for Dr. Bernstein, but

> unfortunately

> there is not really a good source to compare diets.

>

> > His website is www.drdiet.com

>

> Hmm... powders, vitamins, meal replacement bars,

> shots? This is

> nothing like the SB way. It looks like it might be

> difficult to

> do 'real life' eating after you stop having clinic

> visits as well.

> Long-term loss could be pretty tricky for most

> people.

>

> I tried HerbaLife a few years ago with the powders &

> pills. Lost 5

> whole pounds over several months, and had serious

> gastric discomfort

> that still occasionally recurs to this day. NO

> THANK YOU. Real food

> for me.

>

> I've also read some forums regarding his weight-loss

> system, and have

> seen both good and bad comments. Personally, I

> would not recommend

> his system to anyone, but it does appear to work for

> some people.

>

> Glad I'm doing SB instead!!!

>

> B.

> In P3, stable weight since October 2004, though I

> apparently have

> just gone down a size!

>

> <snip!>

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

PS anyone eating 500 calories a day would in

fact be in starvation mode and NOT losing weight...

--- clbrewers wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> --- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Connie..

>

> Hmm... last I checked my name was still . Let

> me check my name

> tag.... <G>

>

> > The most common reason people put the weight back

> on

> > is they revert to their old eating habits... <in

> my

> > non professional opinion as well here> I am next

> to

> > certain Dr Berenstein would agree with me there...

>

> I'm sure most everyone would agree with you. IMO, SB

> is easier to

> stay ON-plan long-term than other diets I've read

> about; its meant to

> be way-of-eating - one that really doesn't deprive

> you of so much as

> other diets do. That is why many people doing SB

> call it a WOE, not

> a diet.

>

> > If you wish to refer to healthy weight loss you

> are

> > more than welcome to contact Dr Stanley K

> Berenstein,

> > MD.. who has dedicated over 25 years of his

> medical

> > practice to bariatrics.. His diet regimens are

> > renowned for healthy rapid weight loss and superb

> long

> > term sucess rates..

>

> Do you mean Dr. Stanley K. Bernstein? I couldn't

> find a Stanley K.

> Berenstein on Google:

>

>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bernstein_diet/index.h

> tml

>

> In this article (the only one that appears to be

> from a non-biased

> source from Googling) it says his plan has you

> eating only 500

> calories a DAY! There is also a quote from Dr.

> Blackburn,

> from the Harvard Medical School ( " an internationally

> recognized

> expert in obesity and clinical nutrition... " )?

>

> Dr. Blackburn says in the article:

>

> " Any time you're eating less than a thousand

> calories and losing more

> than two pounds or three pounds per week, you would

> be in semi-

> starvation mode and that would require medical

> supervision, " he says.

>

> Blackburn adds there are several dangers to rapid

> weight loss,

> including:

>

> You may get sick — suffer from dizziness and feel

> light-headed

> Possible gall bladder attack

> The faster you lose weight, the more likely you are

> to regain it

>

> Rapid weight loss, he said, is not " worthwhile

> except in a medical

> emergency. "

>

> I see a lot of press releases for Dr. Bernstein, but

> unfortunately

> there is not really a good source to compare diets.

>

> > His website is www.drdiet.com

>

> Hmm... powders, vitamins, meal replacement bars,

> shots? This is

> nothing like the SB way. It looks like it might be

> difficult to

> do 'real life' eating after you stop having clinic

> visits as well.

> Long-term loss could be pretty tricky for most

> people.

>

> I tried HerbaLife a few years ago with the powders &

> pills. Lost 5

> whole pounds over several months, and had serious

> gastric discomfort

> that still occasionally recurs to this day. NO

> THANK YOU. Real food

> for me.

>

> I've also read some forums regarding his weight-loss

> system, and have

> seen both good and bad comments. Personally, I

> would not recommend

> his system to anyone, but it does appear to work for

> some people.

>

> Glad I'm doing SB instead!!!

>

> B.

> In P3, stable weight since October 2004, though I

> apparently have

> just gone down a size!

>

> <snip!>

>

>

>

>

D

Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight Loss " Bariatrics "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

--- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

>

>

> Sorry ...

Quite all right, . I do like the name 'Connie'. <G>

> Had a friend on his WOE and she was eating 1200

> calories a day just like you are presently... and she

> was losing 20 pounds a month.. So you are grossly

> mistaken thinking people on his WOE are eating 500

> calories a day..

Just repeating what the registered dietician in the article came up

with. She had access to the plan specifics, whereas I do not. The

article says that some people were able to eat more than the plan

allowed, but most were not; perhaps your friend was allowed the

extra?

Are his clinics only in Canada, or are they in the U.S. as well? I

checked WebMD and iVillage (which used to have a nifty diet plan

comparator that I can't find now) and his system is not mentioned on

either site, that I can find. Perhaps it is just not quite common

enough yet.

> I think taking a daily vitamin is something everyone

> should do.. especially after the age of 50...

I do take a daily vitamin - I figure I probably miss *something* in

my diet every day. <G> Vitamin shots, on the other hand, seem a bit

much if you are eating an even semi-healthy diet.

> As a matter of fact his diet is somewhat similar to

> SB.. except he adds fruits in his Phase 1... and his

> diet is also a WOE if not all of his patients would

> regain their weight over time.

>

>

From comments in the forums I've read, I'd say those people disagree

with you. However, I would say around half appear to be unhappy with

the system, whether it was the shots, the cost (it is quite

expensive, according to the posters), the results or lack

thereof.... So take that for what it is worth. Again I don't have

the details of the diet, I haven't done it, and I'm not interested in

doing it. <G>

B.

> --- clbrewers <clbrewers@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > --- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Connie..

> >

> > Hmm... last I checked my name was still . Let

> > me check my name

> > tag.... <G>

> >

> > > The most common reason people put the weight back

> > on

> > > is they revert to their old eating habits... <in

> > my

> > > non professional opinion as well here> I am next

> > to

> > > certain Dr Berenstein would agree with me there...

> >

> > I'm sure most everyone would agree with you. IMO, SB

> > is easier to

> > stay ON-plan long-term than other diets I've read

> > about; its meant to

> > be way-of-eating - one that really doesn't deprive

> > you of so much as

> > other diets do. That is why many people doing SB

> > call it a WOE, not

> > a diet.

> >

> > > If you wish to refer to healthy weight loss you

> > are

> > > more than welcome to contact Dr Stanley K

> > Berenstein,

> > > MD.. who has dedicated over 25 years of his

> > medical

> > > practice to bariatrics.. His diet regimens are

> > > renowned for healthy rapid weight loss and superb

> > long

> > > term sucess rates..

> >

> > Do you mean Dr. Stanley K. Bernstein? I couldn't

> > find a Stanley K.

> > Berenstein on Google:

> >

> >

>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bernstein_diet/index.h

> > tml

> >

> > In this article (the only one that appears to be

> > from a non-biased

> > source from Googling) it says his plan has you

> > eating only 500

> > calories a DAY! There is also a quote from Dr.

> > Blackburn,

> > from the Harvard Medical School ( " an internationally

> > recognized

> > expert in obesity and clinical nutrition... " )?

> >

> > Dr. Blackburn says in the article:

> >

> > " Any time you're eating less than a thousand

> > calories and losing more

> > than two pounds or three pounds per week, you would

> > be in semi-

> > starvation mode and that would require medical

> > supervision, " he says.

> >

> > Blackburn adds there are several dangers to rapid

> > weight loss,

> > including:

> >

> > You may get sick — suffer from dizziness and feel

> > light-headed

> > Possible gall bladder attack

> > The faster you lose weight, the more likely you are

> > to regain it

> >

> > Rapid weight loss, he said, is not " worthwhile

> > except in a medical

> > emergency. "

> >

> > I see a lot of press releases for Dr. Bernstein, but

> > unfortunately

> > there is not really a good source to compare diets.

> >

> > > His website is www.drdiet.com

> >

> > Hmm... powders, vitamins, meal replacement bars,

> > shots? This is

> > nothing like the SB way. It looks like it might be

> > difficult to

> > do 'real life' eating after you stop having clinic

> > visits as well.

> > Long-term loss could be pretty tricky for most

> > people.

> >

> > I tried HerbaLife a few years ago with the powders &

> > pills. Lost 5

> > whole pounds over several months, and had serious

> > gastric discomfort

> > that still occasionally recurs to this day. NO

> > THANK YOU. Real food

> > for me.

> >

> > I've also read some forums regarding his weight-loss

> > system, and have

> > seen both good and bad comments. Personally, I

> > would not recommend

> > his system to anyone, but it does appear to work for

> > some people.

> >

> > Glad I'm doing SB instead!!!

> >

> > B.

> > In P3, stable weight since October 2004, though I

> > apparently have

> > just gone down a size!

> >

> > <snip!>

[Guest guest]

--- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

>

>

> Sorry ...

Quite all right, . I do like the name 'Connie'. <G>

> Had a friend on his WOE and she was eating 1200

> calories a day just like you are presently... and she

> was losing 20 pounds a month.. So you are grossly

> mistaken thinking people on his WOE are eating 500

> calories a day..

Just repeating what the registered dietician in the article came up

with. She had access to the plan specifics, whereas I do not. The

article says that some people were able to eat more than the plan

allowed, but most were not; perhaps your friend was allowed the

extra?

Are his clinics only in Canada, or are they in the U.S. as well? I

checked WebMD and iVillage (which used to have a nifty diet plan

comparator that I can't find now) and his system is not mentioned on

either site, that I can find. Perhaps it is just not quite common

enough yet.

> I think taking a daily vitamin is something everyone

> should do.. especially after the age of 50...

I do take a daily vitamin - I figure I probably miss *something* in

my diet every day. <G> Vitamin shots, on the other hand, seem a bit

much if you are eating an even semi-healthy diet.

> As a matter of fact his diet is somewhat similar to

> SB.. except he adds fruits in his Phase 1... and his

> diet is also a WOE if not all of his patients would

> regain their weight over time.

>

>

From comments in the forums I've read, I'd say those people disagree

with you. However, I would say around half appear to be unhappy with

the system, whether it was the shots, the cost (it is quite

expensive, according to the posters), the results or lack

thereof.... So take that for what it is worth. Again I don't have

the details of the diet, I haven't done it, and I'm not interested in

doing it. <G>

B.

> --- clbrewers <clbrewers@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > --- <krndolan@y...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Connie..

> >

> > Hmm... last I checked my name was still . Let

> > me check my name

> > tag.... <G>

> >

> > > The most common reason people put the weight back

> > on

> > > is they revert to their old eating habits... <in

> > my

> > > non professional opinion as well here> I am next

> > to

> > > certain Dr Berenstein would agree with me there...

> >

> > I'm sure most everyone would agree with you. IMO, SB

> > is easier to

> > stay ON-plan long-term than other diets I've read

> > about; its meant to

> > be way-of-eating - one that really doesn't deprive

> > you of so much as

> > other diets do. That is why many people doing SB

> > call it a WOE, not

> > a diet.

> >

> > > If you wish to refer to healthy weight loss you

> > are

> > > more than welcome to contact Dr Stanley K

> > Berenstein,

> > > MD.. who has dedicated over 25 years of his

> > medical

> > > practice to bariatrics.. His diet regimens are

> > > renowned for healthy rapid weight loss and superb

> > long

> > > term sucess rates..

> >

> > Do you mean Dr. Stanley K. Bernstein? I couldn't

> > find a Stanley K.

> > Berenstein on Google:

> >

> >

>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bernstein_diet/index.h

> > tml

> >

> > In this article (the only one that appears to be

> > from a non-biased

> > source from Googling) it says his plan has you

> > eating only 500

> > calories a DAY! There is also a quote from Dr.

> > Blackburn,

> > from the Harvard Medical School ( " an internationally

> > recognized

> > expert in obesity and clinical nutrition... " )?

> >

> > Dr. Blackburn says in the article:

> >

> > " Any time you're eating less than a thousand

> > calories and losing more

> > than two pounds or three pounds per week, you would

> > be in semi-

> > starvation mode and that would require medical

> > supervision, " he says.

> >

> > Blackburn adds there are several dangers to rapid

> > weight loss,

> > including:

> >

> > You may get sick — suffer from dizziness and feel

> > light-headed

> > Possible gall bladder attack

> > The faster you lose weight, the more likely you are

> > to regain it

> >

> > Rapid weight loss, he said, is not " worthwhile

> > except in a medical

> > emergency. "

> >

> > I see a lot of press releases for Dr. Bernstein, but

> > unfortunately

> > there is not really a good source to compare diets.

> >

> > > His website is www.drdiet.com

> >

> > Hmm... powders, vitamins, meal replacement bars,

> > shots? This is

> > nothing like the SB way. It looks like it might be

> > difficult to

> > do 'real life' eating after you stop having clinic

> > visits as well.

> > Long-term loss could be pretty tricky for most

> > people.

> >

> > I tried HerbaLife a few years ago with the powders &

> > pills. Lost 5

> > whole pounds over several months, and had serious

> > gastric discomfort

> > that still occasionally recurs to this day. NO

> > THANK YOU. Real food

> > for me.

> >

> > I've also read some forums regarding his weight-loss

> > system, and have

> > seen both good and bad comments. Personally, I

> > would not recommend

> > his system to anyone, but it does appear to work for

> > some people.

> >

> > Glad I'm doing SB instead!!!

> >

> > B.

> > In P3, stable weight since October 2004, though I

> > apparently have

> > just gone down a size!

> >

> > <snip!>

[Guest guest]

Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > diet

> > > > > so I

> > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > <more snippage>

> >

>

> D

> Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight

Loss " Bariatrics "

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > diet

> > > > > so I

> > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > <more snippage>

> >

>

> D

> Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight

Loss " Bariatrics "

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > diet

> > > > > so I

> > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > <more snippage>

> >

>

> D

> Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for Weight

Loss " Bariatrics "

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

Your right I was at 123 pounds for 25 years which was

a good weight for me.. I was very content and held a

highschool figure all my years..

Then started on SB Phase 1 late January of this

year... I was doing a Phase 1 plus some fruit and

actually lost 13 pounds... I only wished to lose 8

though...

I wanted to fit into a certain wedding dress for my

upcoming wedding..

I plan on hopefully going back to my 123 weight when I

am back from my honeymoon and enjoying competing in

some running events again...

--- ann wrote:

>

> Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > > diet

> > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

Your right I was at 123 pounds for 25 years which was

a good weight for me.. I was very content and held a

highschool figure all my years..

Then started on SB Phase 1 late January of this

year... I was doing a Phase 1 plus some fruit and

actually lost 13 pounds... I only wished to lose 8

though...

I wanted to fit into a certain wedding dress for my

upcoming wedding..

I plan on hopefully going back to my 123 weight when I

am back from my honeymoon and enjoying competing in

some running events again...

--- ann wrote:

>

> Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > > diet

> > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

Your right I was at 123 pounds for 25 years which was

a good weight for me.. I was very content and held a

highschool figure all my years..

Then started on SB Phase 1 late January of this

year... I was doing a Phase 1 plus some fruit and

actually lost 13 pounds... I only wished to lose 8

though...

I wanted to fit into a certain wedding dress for my

upcoming wedding..

I plan on hopefully going back to my 123 weight when I

am back from my honeymoon and enjoying competing in

some running events again...

--- ann wrote:

>

> Didn't you only lose 8 pounds total on SBD?

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just want to get as close as possible.

> > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > people that has lost

> > > > > > > 50 pounds in 3 months from South Beach

> > > > diet

> > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > know it is possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however I

did have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... and

would suggest it to anyone..

His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot have

this both ways..

First some people on the list say someone might be

experiencing a stall because they are not eating

enough and then somehow that gets followed that they

are losing because they are in a starvation mode on a

500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?

I have known more than one person attending his

clinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day and

losing... the second man I knew on his diet was also

most certainly not eating 500 calories a day either..

I do not believe it is like comparing surgical

intervention to a change in eating habits..

Change in eating habits are both of which Berenstein

and South Beach are..

--- ann wrote:

>

> That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.

> Bernstein's

> supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other

> doctor's supervised

> 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight

> loss is not

> typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2

> pounds a week,

> particulary for women. You keep comparing apples

> with zucchini,

> saying can lose that much weight on SBD

> because other people

> have done it on these extremely low cal medically

> supervised diets.

> It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight

> Watchers.

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,

> > > > > > unhealthy,

> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've

> > > read.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally

> understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right

> now!,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight

> off

> > > is

> > > > > > 1 -

> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that, most

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more

> > > > > > rapidly,

> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*

> slow

> > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the

> second

> > > > > > week

> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds

> EVERY

> > > > > > WEEK

> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and

> have

> > > > > > > his/her approval.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,

> though

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,

> no-one

> > > has

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are

> > > they

> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or

> > > university)

> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know

> you

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > your specific condition(s).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,

> before

> > > > > > > trying such a plan!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > B.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however I

did have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... and

would suggest it to anyone..

His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot have

this both ways..

First some people on the list say someone might be

experiencing a stall because they are not eating

enough and then somehow that gets followed that they

are losing because they are in a starvation mode on a

500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?

I have known more than one person attending his

clinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day and

losing... the second man I knew on his diet was also

most certainly not eating 500 calories a day either..

I do not believe it is like comparing surgical

intervention to a change in eating habits..

Change in eating habits are both of which Berenstein

and South Beach are..

--- ann wrote:

>

> That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.

> Bernstein's

> supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other

> doctor's supervised

> 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight

> loss is not

> typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2

> pounds a week,

> particulary for women. You keep comparing apples

> with zucchini,

> saying can lose that much weight on SBD

> because other people

> have done it on these extremely low cal medically

> supervised diets.

> It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight

> Watchers.

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,

> > > > > > unhealthy,

> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've

> > > read.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally

> understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right

> now!,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight

> off

> > > is

> > > > > > 1 -

> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that, most

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more

> > > > > > rapidly,

> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*

> slow

> > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the

> second

> > > > > > week

> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds

> EVERY

> > > > > > WEEK

> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and

> have

> > > > > > > his/her approval.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,

> though

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,

> no-one

> > > has

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are

> > > they

> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or

> > > university)

> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know

> you

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > your specific condition(s).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,

> before

> > > > > > > trying such a plan!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > B.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ann..

I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however I

did have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... and

would suggest it to anyone..

His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot have

this both ways..

First some people on the list say someone might be

experiencing a stall because they are not eating

enough and then somehow that gets followed that they

are losing because they are in a starvation mode on a

500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?

I have known more than one person attending his

clinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day and

losing... the second man I knew on his diet was also

most certainly not eating 500 calories a day either..

I do not believe it is like comparing surgical

intervention to a change in eating habits..

Change in eating habits are both of which Berenstein

and South Beach are..

--- ann wrote:

>

> That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.

> Bernstein's

> supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other

> doctor's supervised

> 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight

> loss is not

> typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2

> pounds a week,

> particulary for women. You keep comparing apples

> with zucchini,

> saying can lose that much weight on SBD

> because other people

> have done it on these extremely low cal medically

> supervised diets.

> It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight

> Watchers.

>

> ann

>

>

> > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,

> > > > > > unhealthy,

> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've

> > > read.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally

> understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right

> now!,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight

> off

> > > is

> > > > > > 1 -

> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that, most

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more

> > > > > > rapidly,

> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*

> slow

> > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the

> second

> > > > > > week

> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds

> EVERY

> > > > > > WEEK

> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and

> have

> > > > > > > his/her approval.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,

> though

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,

> no-one

> > > has

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are

> > > they

> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or

> > > university)

> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know

> you

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > your specific condition(s).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,

> before

> > > > > > > trying such a plan!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > B.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <more snippage>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > D

> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall

> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for

> Weight

> Loss " Bariatrics "

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Since you two ladies are the only ones involved in what I will now call fussing - do you mind excluding the rest of us and email eachother personally....

wrote:

Hi ann..I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however Idid have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... andwould suggest it to anyone..His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot havethis both ways.. First some people on the list say someone might beexperiencing a stall because they are not eatingenough and then somehow that gets followed that theyare losing because they are in a starvation mode on a500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?I have known more than one person attending hisclinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day andlosing... the second man I knew on his diet was alsomost certainly not eating 500 calories a day either.. I do not believe it is like comparing surgicalintervention to a change in eating habits.. Change in eating habits are both

of which Berensteinand South Beach are..--- ann wrote:> > That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.> Bernstein's > supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other> doctor's supervised > 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight> loss is not > typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2> pounds a week, > particulary for women. You keep comparing apples> with zucchini, > saying can lose that much weight on SBD> because other people > have done it on these extremely low cal medically> supervised diets. > It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight> Watchers. > > ann> > > > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,> > > > > > unhealthy,> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've> > > read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally> understand> > > > > > the> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right> now!,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight> off> > > is> > > > > > 1 -> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that,

most> > > > > > people> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more> > > > > > rapidly,> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*> slow> > > > > > (and> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the> second> > > > > > week> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds> EVERY> > > > > > WEEK> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless> you> > > are> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and> have> > > > > > > his/her approval. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,> though> > > > > > some> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,> no-one> > > has> > > > > > a> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are> > > they> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or> > > university)> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know> you> > > > > > or> > > > > > > your specific condition(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,> before> > > > > > > trying such a plan!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<more snippage>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for> Weight > Loss "Bariatrics"> > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

[Guest guest]

Since you two ladies are the only ones involved in what I will now call fussing - do you mind excluding the rest of us and email eachother personally....

wrote:

Hi ann..I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however Idid have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... andwould suggest it to anyone..His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot havethis both ways.. First some people on the list say someone might beexperiencing a stall because they are not eatingenough and then somehow that gets followed that theyare losing because they are in a starvation mode on a500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?I have known more than one person attending hisclinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day andlosing... the second man I knew on his diet was alsomost certainly not eating 500 calories a day either.. I do not believe it is like comparing surgicalintervention to a change in eating habits.. Change in eating habits are both

of which Berensteinand South Beach are..--- ann wrote:> > That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.> Bernstein's > supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other> doctor's supervised > 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight> loss is not > typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2> pounds a week, > particulary for women. You keep comparing apples> with zucchini, > saying can lose that much weight on SBD> because other people > have done it on these extremely low cal medically> supervised diets. > It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight> Watchers. > > ann> > > > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,> > > > > > unhealthy,> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've> > > read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally> understand> > > > > > the> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right> now!,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight> off> > > is> > > > > > 1 -> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that,

most> > > > > > people> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more> > > > > > rapidly,> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*> slow> > > > > > (and> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the> second> > > > > > week> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds> EVERY> > > > > > WEEK> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless> you> > > are> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and> have> > > > > > > his/her approval. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,> though> > > > > > some> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,> no-one> > > has> > > > > > a> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are> > > they> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or> > > university)> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know> you> > > > > > or> > > > > > > your specific condition(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,> before> > > > > > > trying such a plan!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<more snippage>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for> Weight > Loss "Bariatrics"> > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

[Guest guest]

Since you two ladies are the only ones involved in what I will now call fussing - do you mind excluding the rest of us and email eachother personally....

wrote:

Hi ann..I was not on is diet either 25 years ago.. however Idid have my doctor monitoring my weight loss... andwould suggest it to anyone..His diet is not a 500 calorie diet.. you cannot havethis both ways.. First some people on the list say someone might beexperiencing a stall because they are not eatingenough and then somehow that gets followed that theyare losing because they are in a starvation mode on a500 calorie diet? Can we really have this both ways?I have known more than one person attending hisclinics the first one ate 1200 calories per day andlosing... the second man I knew on his diet was alsomost certainly not eating 500 calories a day either.. I do not believe it is like comparing surgicalintervention to a change in eating habits.. Change in eating habits are both

of which Berensteinand South Beach are..--- ann wrote:> > That's the problem, . isn't on Dr.> Bernstein's > supervised 500 calorie a day diet, nor any other> doctor's supervised > 500 calorie a day diet. She is on SBD, where weight> loss is not > typically 5-6 pounds a week, but more like 1/2 - 2> pounds a week, > particulary for women. You keep comparing apples> with zucchini, > saying can lose that much weight on SBD> because other people > have done it on these extremely low cal medically> supervised diets. > It's like comparing gastric bypass to Weight> Watchers. > > ann> > > > > > > > > This kind of weight loss is excessive,> > > > > > unhealthy,> > > > > > > and unsustainable, from everything I've> > > read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure its been done, and I totally> understand> > > > > > the> > > > > > > desire to drop a lot of weight right> now!,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > optimum weight loss to keep the weight> off> > > is> > > > > > 1 -> > > > > > > 2 pounds a week. Faster than that,

most> > > > > > people> > > > > > > pile the weight right back on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, on Phase 1 most people lose more> > > > > > rapidly,> > > > > > > but on phase 2 the weight loss *should*> slow> > > > > > (and> > > > > > > a lot of people's loss slows on the> second> > > > > > week> > > > > > > of phase 1 as well). Four-plus pounds> EVERY> > > > > > WEEK> > > > > > > for 3! months is awfully fast, unless> you> > > are> > > > > > > under a doctor's close supervision and> have> > > > > > > his/her approval. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Remember, NO-ONE here is an expert,> though> > > > > > some> > > > > > > write like one. As far as I know,> no-one> > > has> > > > > > a> > > > > > > degree in nutrition or medicine, nor are> > > they> > > > > > > officially (as in at a college or> > > university)> > > > > > > studying the same, and they do not know> you> > > > > > or> > > > > > > your specific condition(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check with your doctor first, PLEASE,> before> > > > > > > trying such a plan!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<more snippage>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > Presently: 110 lbs and 5 feet 4 inches tall> > Current Field Of Study: Medical Treatment for> Weight > Loss "Bariatrics"> > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

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I have had three kids and never had that loose belly skin and my babies were all large 9, 10, 11 lbs. Never had any sort of injection...........actually I have never even heard of that.

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase - now excessive weight loss

Hi Kay..This unfortunately can happen no matter how fast orslow you lose weight.. We have all been pregnant and Iexperinced some loose belly skin after having my firstchild...One of the many reasons for injections given.. Theyare not only just good at breaking up fat into those areas, but also help aid the skin in shrinking sohopefully you will not need to have excess skinremoved surgically..--- wetbee40 wrote:> > --- Something that has not been mentioned during> this discussion of > unhealthy, unrealistic, rapid weight loss, is the> FACT that when people > lose weight at fast rate, severe dieting/bariatric> surgery, their skin > tone suffers greatly. How many plastic surgery shows> have you seen > where the weight loss recipient has incredible folds> of left over skin. > YMWV in regard to ability to adapt, genetics> plays a part as does > age and amount of weight lost, but only through> healthy, gradual weight > loss, does your body stand a fighting chance to> regain some of its > tone. The rest who push for unreasonable loss can> sign up for a total > body lift. Ugh.> Kay> > > > > __________________________________________________

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I have had three kids and never had that loose belly skin and my babies were all large 9, 10, 11 lbs. Never had any sort of injection...........actually I have never even heard of that.

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase - now excessive weight loss

Hi Kay..This unfortunately can happen no matter how fast orslow you lose weight.. We have all been pregnant and Iexperinced some loose belly skin after having my firstchild...One of the many reasons for injections given.. Theyare not only just good at breaking up fat into those areas, but also help aid the skin in shrinking sohopefully you will not need to have excess skinremoved surgically..--- wetbee40 wrote:> > --- Something that has not been mentioned during> this discussion of > unhealthy, unrealistic, rapid weight loss, is the> FACT that when people > lose weight at fast rate, severe dieting/bariatric> surgery, their skin > tone suffers greatly. How many plastic surgery shows> have you seen > where the weight loss recipient has incredible folds> of left over skin. > YMWV in regard to ability to adapt, genetics> plays a part as does > age and amount of weight lost, but only through> healthy, gradual weight > loss, does your body stand a fighting chance to> regain some of its > tone. The rest who push for unreasonable loss can> sign up for a total > body lift. Ugh.> Kay> > > > > __________________________________________________

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I have had three kids and never had that loose belly skin and my babies were all large 9, 10, 11 lbs. Never had any sort of injection...........actually I have never even heard of that.

Re: CHF & Weight Gain 2nd Phase - now excessive weight loss

Hi Kay..This unfortunately can happen no matter how fast orslow you lose weight.. We have all been pregnant and Iexperinced some loose belly skin after having my firstchild...One of the many reasons for injections given.. Theyare not only just good at breaking up fat into those areas, but also help aid the skin in shrinking sohopefully you will not need to have excess skinremoved surgically..--- wetbee40 wrote:> > --- Something that has not been mentioned during> this discussion of > unhealthy, unrealistic, rapid weight loss, is the> FACT that when people > lose weight at fast rate, severe dieting/bariatric> surgery, their skin > tone suffers greatly. How many plastic surgery shows> have you seen > where the weight loss recipient has incredible folds> of left over skin. > YMWV in regard to ability to adapt, genetics> plays a part as does > age and amount of weight lost, but only through> healthy, gradual weight > loss, does your body stand a fighting chance to> regain some of its > tone. The rest who push for unreasonable loss can> sign up for a total > body lift. Ugh.> Kay> > > > > __________________________________________________

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, why are you 'hawking' injections?

Kay

>

> Assume for a second that someone experiences a weight

> loss of half of their body weight.. The skin has been

> stretched for many years to accomodate this bigger

> person.. Then the person loses weight either fast or

> slow and they now are half the person they once were..

>

> What can happen is you have a ton of skin that just

> hangs there like a drape.. I know it has happened to

> people on the beach as well..that I have spoken with..

>

> These injections they give not only help to break up

> body fat in the areas of your body where you are

> carrying the most of it, they aid in eliminating it

> from your body as well as the added benefit of

> hopefully tightening your skin, so you will not

> require surgery..

>

> As for my pregnancies.. I still have stretch marks

> from where my skin was stretched.. and that was only

> but for a few months time and more 25 years ago...

> They are hardly visible now though since I treat them

> with a cream that makes them blend into the rest of my

> skin tone..

>

> The injections are not meant for people who are

> pregnant but rather for those losing lots of weight..

>

> The surgery to remove skin is quite risky and I know

> one women that had her stomach stapled and required

> this surgery.. She got a massive infection and almost

> lost her life..

>

>

> --- <lindagroups@e...> wrote:

> > -

> > I have had three kids and never had that loose belly

> > skin and my babies were all large 9, 10, 11 lbs.

> > Never had any sort of injection...........actually I

> > have never even heard of that.

> >

> > Re: CHF & Weight Gain

> > 2nd Phase - now excessive weight loss

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Kay..

> >

> > This unfortunately can happen no matter how fast

> > or

> > slow you lose weight.. We have all been pregnant

> > and I

> > experinced some loose belly skin after having my

> > first

> > child...

> >

> > One of the many reasons for injections given..

> > They

> > are not only just good at breaking up fat into

> > those

> > areas, but also help aid the skin in shrinking so

> > hopefully you will not need to have excess skin

> > removed surgically..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- wetbee40 <magiclea@y...> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- Something that has not been mentioned during

> > > this discussion of

> > > unhealthy, unrealistic, rapid weight loss, is

> > the

> > > FACT that when people

> > > lose weight at fast rate, severe

> > dieting/bariatric

> > > surgery, their skin

> > > tone suffers greatly. How many plastic surgery

> > shows

> > > have you seen

> > > where the weight loss recipient has incredible

> > folds

> > > of left over skin.

> > > YMWV in regard to ability to adapt, genetics

> > > plays a part as does

> > > age and amount of weight lost, but only through

> > > healthy, gradual weight

> > > loss, does your body stand a fighting chance to

> > > regain some of its

> > > tone. The rest who push for unreasonable loss

> > can

> > > sign up for a total

> > > body lift. Ugh.

> > > Kay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >