Re: Help needed: Could mercury be causing this awful burning skin symptom?

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I have this same burning when I have yeast flare-ups. Always when I

eat something I am either intolerant of, or that normally feeds

yeast. I kept a journal for awhile and figured out which foods

caused it specifically. As I have candida and mercury poisoning, I

don't know which one causes it, but the fact that yeast-feeders set

it off made me think yeast.

Good luck!

Wyndie

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn or

like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all over

the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

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hello, last night i had sudden intense flare of burning pain along top

of lower left leg and along back of left thigh, similar to what you

describe. however, i eat no sugar, use stevia only and also limit my

carbs. this feels like neuropathic pain. any insight is appreciated.

gratefully,

kendra

But here's a question: I've been having this horrible

burning skin > > sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin

is sunburn or like > > I had some acid under the skin stinging.

[Guest guest]

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning skin

> sensation for many weeks now....

I used to get it while my amalgams were being removed over a 6 month

period (I had 17). In my case the skin burning was restricted to the

feet only.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joni,

I think I have heard of this as being a mercury symptom, although I have not

personally experienced it to the extent you have. I do get a sort of burning

sensation in my upper arms/shoulders sometimes though.

Is your doctor giving you any new supplements or what are you taking yourself?

Maybe something you're taking is causing lots of redistribution of mercury, like

if you're taking ALA with amalgams still in your mouth, or something sulfury

like chlorella or MSM? Or cilantro? Usually sugar flares up candida, so I

don't know if this would cause this type of symptom. So tell us more about what

you're taking and eating.

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi

I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal problem

and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

results.

But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning skin

sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn or like

I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all over the

body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and calves.

Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's worse if

I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I have 5

amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm getting

pretty desperate with this.

Thanks!!

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi Joni,

I think I have heard of this as being a mercury symptom, although I have not

personally experienced it to the extent you have. I do get a sort of burning

sensation in my upper arms/shoulders sometimes though.

Is your doctor giving you any new supplements or what are you taking yourself?

Maybe something you're taking is causing lots of redistribution of mercury, like

if you're taking ALA with amalgams still in your mouth, or something sulfury

like chlorella or MSM? Or cilantro? Usually sugar flares up candida, so I

don't know if this would cause this type of symptom. So tell us more about what

you're taking and eating.

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi

I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal problem

and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

results.

But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning skin

sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn or like

I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all over the

body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and calves.

Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's worse if

I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I have 5

amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm getting

pretty desperate with this.

Thanks!!

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie

Well, my situation is quite complicated. Yes I'm taking a lot of

supplements prescribed by my ND but the thing is that this burning

started well BEFORE I started taking them. I can't take chlorella at

all, it gives me muscle pains right away. A bit the same thing with

MSM. I have taken small doses of ALA (100-200 mg) but only

occasionally because I think it gives some relief with the burning.

But the strangest this about the whole thing is this: The burning

started 3 months ago when I tried a herbal supplement for fatigue! I

took that stuff for only 3 days and the horrible burning started.

These were the ingredients of the product: Aloe Vera, Tragacanth gun

(taken from Astragalus plant), Beta-Glucan, Arabinogalactan,

Shiitake, Maitake and Cordyceps mushroom extracts, Glugosamine

sulfate, Guar gum, Ghatti gum. It's really strange that they could

cause such a thing. I highly doubt it could be just a coincidence

though.

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, milk thistle, digestive enzymes, NAC,

calcium, magnesium, potassium, fish oil, pituitary caps etc.

My doctor is quite clueless. She thinks it might be mercury or

arsenic. Hopefully we will get the hair test results soon because

this symptom is really driving me nuts.

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

Joni

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning

skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn

or like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all

over the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and

calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm

getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie

Well, my situation is quite complicated. Yes I'm taking a lot of

supplements prescribed by my ND but the thing is that this burning

started well BEFORE I started taking them. I can't take chlorella at

all, it gives me muscle pains right away. A bit the same thing with

MSM. I have taken small doses of ALA (100-200 mg) but only

occasionally because I think it gives some relief with the burning.

But the strangest this about the whole thing is this: The burning

started 3 months ago when I tried a herbal supplement for fatigue! I

took that stuff for only 3 days and the horrible burning started.

These were the ingredients of the product: Aloe Vera, Tragacanth gun

(taken from Astragalus plant), Beta-Glucan, Arabinogalactan,

Shiitake, Maitake and Cordyceps mushroom extracts, Glugosamine

sulfate, Guar gum, Ghatti gum. It's really strange that they could

cause such a thing. I highly doubt it could be just a coincidence

though.

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, milk thistle, digestive enzymes, NAC,

calcium, magnesium, potassium, fish oil, pituitary caps etc.

My doctor is quite clueless. She thinks it might be mercury or

arsenic. Hopefully we will get the hair test results soon because

this symptom is really driving me nuts.

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

Joni

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning

skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn

or like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all

over the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and

calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm

getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie

Well, my situation is quite complicated. Yes I'm taking a lot of

supplements prescribed by my ND but the thing is that this burning

started well BEFORE I started taking them. I can't take chlorella at

all, it gives me muscle pains right away. A bit the same thing with

MSM.

----------Chlorella and MSM are not recommended by Andy and are not part of

this protocol. They can cause redistribution, which sounds like might have

happened with you. I would stay away from them.-----------Jackie

I have taken small doses of ALA (100-200 mg) but only

occasionally because I think it gives some relief with the burning.

------------That is not considered small doses here, and ALA should not be

taken when amalgams are still in the mouth. It is a true chelating agent like

DMSA and DMPS, but it also crosses the blood brain barrier, and if not used

properly following Andy's protocol, may actually be moving more mercury into you

brain. Do more reading here and in the Links and Files and the Andy Index and

in Amalgam Illness, and you can even search the archives too. Read the section

about chelating agents starting on page 199 of AI, through page 204, and make

sure you understand the part about single and double thiols, and what makes a

true chelator. The only exception to that section is that alot of us can only

tolerate smaller doses than what is suggested in the book. So we recommend

starting low and building up slowly.--------Jackie

But the strangest this about the whole thing is this: The burning

started 3 months ago when I tried a herbal supplement for fatigue! I

took that stuff for only 3 days and the horrible burning started.

-------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is still

happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did you take ALA in

the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or chlorella?----------Jackie

These were the ingredients of the product: Aloe Vera, Tragacanth gun

(taken from Astragalus plant), Beta-Glucan, Arabinogalactan,

Shiitake, Maitake and Cordyceps mushroom extracts, Glugosamine

sulfate, Guar gum, Ghatti gum. It's really strange that they could

cause such a thing. I highly doubt it could be just a coincidence

though.

------------I'm no expert on these things, and have no idea what most of these

would do or not do, but the only one that sticks out is glucosamine sulfate. If

you are low plasma sulfate, this is good for you. But if you are high, then it

is not. Read pages 188 and 195-196 of AI about sulfur foods and supplements,

and search the archives and the Andy Index about this topic. Some people feel

much better by excluding or limiting these foods (and supplements) in their

diet.-----------Jackie

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, milk thistle, digestive enzymes, NAC,

calcium, magnesium, potassium, fish oil, pituitary caps etc.

-------------Most of this sounds good, but not knowing your plasma cysteine

and plasma sulfate levels, then NAC might not be good for you. And the problem

is, you can no longer get this test done, so the only way to figure it out is to

experiment with excluding sulfury things and cysteine (NAC is

N-acetyl-cysteine).---------Jackie

My doctor is quite clueless. She thinks it might be mercury or

arsenic. Hopefully we will get the hair test results soon because

this symptom is really driving me nuts.

---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I hope so, then

we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting rules. And alot of

doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a clue yet either! She is

probably trying to help, but I would trust Andy's advice as far as supplements

and chelation. Many alternative doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements

are good for ALL mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be careful and

not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have learned that the hard

way.

And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate that, along

with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything different for

that.----------Jackie

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

-------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the sulfury things,

and try excluding them from your diet and supplements, and see if that helps.

When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start proper

chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good luck.----------Jackie

Joni

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning

skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn

or like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all

over the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and

calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm

getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie

Well, my situation is quite complicated. Yes I'm taking a lot of

supplements prescribed by my ND but the thing is that this burning

started well BEFORE I started taking them. I can't take chlorella at

all, it gives me muscle pains right away. A bit the same thing with

MSM.

----------Chlorella and MSM are not recommended by Andy and are not part of

this protocol. They can cause redistribution, which sounds like might have

happened with you. I would stay away from them.-----------Jackie

I have taken small doses of ALA (100-200 mg) but only

occasionally because I think it gives some relief with the burning.

------------That is not considered small doses here, and ALA should not be

taken when amalgams are still in the mouth. It is a true chelating agent like

DMSA and DMPS, but it also crosses the blood brain barrier, and if not used

properly following Andy's protocol, may actually be moving more mercury into you

brain. Do more reading here and in the Links and Files and the Andy Index and

in Amalgam Illness, and you can even search the archives too. Read the section

about chelating agents starting on page 199 of AI, through page 204, and make

sure you understand the part about single and double thiols, and what makes a

true chelator. The only exception to that section is that alot of us can only

tolerate smaller doses than what is suggested in the book. So we recommend

starting low and building up slowly.--------Jackie

But the strangest this about the whole thing is this: The burning

started 3 months ago when I tried a herbal supplement for fatigue! I

took that stuff for only 3 days and the horrible burning started.

-------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is still

happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did you take ALA in

the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or chlorella?----------Jackie

These were the ingredients of the product: Aloe Vera, Tragacanth gun

(taken from Astragalus plant), Beta-Glucan, Arabinogalactan,

Shiitake, Maitake and Cordyceps mushroom extracts, Glugosamine

sulfate, Guar gum, Ghatti gum. It's really strange that they could

cause such a thing. I highly doubt it could be just a coincidence

though.

------------I'm no expert on these things, and have no idea what most of these

would do or not do, but the only one that sticks out is glucosamine sulfate. If

you are low plasma sulfate, this is good for you. But if you are high, then it

is not. Read pages 188 and 195-196 of AI about sulfur foods and supplements,

and search the archives and the Andy Index about this topic. Some people feel

much better by excluding or limiting these foods (and supplements) in their

diet.-----------Jackie

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, milk thistle, digestive enzymes, NAC,

calcium, magnesium, potassium, fish oil, pituitary caps etc.

-------------Most of this sounds good, but not knowing your plasma cysteine

and plasma sulfate levels, then NAC might not be good for you. And the problem

is, you can no longer get this test done, so the only way to figure it out is to

experiment with excluding sulfury things and cysteine (NAC is

N-acetyl-cysteine).---------Jackie

My doctor is quite clueless. She thinks it might be mercury or

arsenic. Hopefully we will get the hair test results soon because

this symptom is really driving me nuts.

---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I hope so, then

we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting rules. And alot of

doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a clue yet either! She is

probably trying to help, but I would trust Andy's advice as far as supplements

and chelation. Many alternative doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements

are good for ALL mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be careful and

not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have learned that the hard

way.

And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate that, along

with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything different for

that.----------Jackie

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

-------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the sulfury things,

and try excluding them from your diet and supplements, and see if that helps.

When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start proper

chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good luck.----------Jackie

Joni

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning

skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn

or like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all

over the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and

calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm

getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie

Well, my situation is quite complicated. Yes I'm taking a lot of

supplements prescribed by my ND but the thing is that this burning

started well BEFORE I started taking them. I can't take chlorella at

all, it gives me muscle pains right away. A bit the same thing with

MSM.

----------Chlorella and MSM are not recommended by Andy and are not part of

this protocol. They can cause redistribution, which sounds like might have

happened with you. I would stay away from them.-----------Jackie

I have taken small doses of ALA (100-200 mg) but only

occasionally because I think it gives some relief with the burning.

------------That is not considered small doses here, and ALA should not be

taken when amalgams are still in the mouth. It is a true chelating agent like

DMSA and DMPS, but it also crosses the blood brain barrier, and if not used

properly following Andy's protocol, may actually be moving more mercury into you

brain. Do more reading here and in the Links and Files and the Andy Index and

in Amalgam Illness, and you can even search the archives too. Read the section

about chelating agents starting on page 199 of AI, through page 204, and make

sure you understand the part about single and double thiols, and what makes a

true chelator. The only exception to that section is that alot of us can only

tolerate smaller doses than what is suggested in the book. So we recommend

starting low and building up slowly.--------Jackie

But the strangest this about the whole thing is this: The burning

started 3 months ago when I tried a herbal supplement for fatigue! I

took that stuff for only 3 days and the horrible burning started.

-------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is still

happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did you take ALA in

the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or chlorella?----------Jackie

These were the ingredients of the product: Aloe Vera, Tragacanth gun

(taken from Astragalus plant), Beta-Glucan, Arabinogalactan,

Shiitake, Maitake and Cordyceps mushroom extracts, Glugosamine

sulfate, Guar gum, Ghatti gum. It's really strange that they could

cause such a thing. I highly doubt it could be just a coincidence

though.

------------I'm no expert on these things, and have no idea what most of these

would do or not do, but the only one that sticks out is glucosamine sulfate. If

you are low plasma sulfate, this is good for you. But if you are high, then it

is not. Read pages 188 and 195-196 of AI about sulfur foods and supplements,

and search the archives and the Andy Index about this topic. Some people feel

much better by excluding or limiting these foods (and supplements) in their

diet.-----------Jackie

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, milk thistle, digestive enzymes, NAC,

calcium, magnesium, potassium, fish oil, pituitary caps etc.

-------------Most of this sounds good, but not knowing your plasma cysteine

and plasma sulfate levels, then NAC might not be good for you. And the problem

is, you can no longer get this test done, so the only way to figure it out is to

experiment with excluding sulfury things and cysteine (NAC is

N-acetyl-cysteine).---------Jackie

My doctor is quite clueless. She thinks it might be mercury or

arsenic. Hopefully we will get the hair test results soon because

this symptom is really driving me nuts.

---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I hope so, then

we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting rules. And alot of

doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a clue yet either! She is

probably trying to help, but I would trust Andy's advice as far as supplements

and chelation. Many alternative doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements

are good for ALL mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be careful and

not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have learned that the hard

way.

And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate that, along

with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything different for

that.----------Jackie

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

-------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the sulfury things,

and try excluding them from your diet and supplements, and see if that helps.

When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start proper

chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good luck.----------Jackie

Joni

>

> Hi

>

> I just joined here. My doc suspects that I have a heavy metal

problem

> and a hair test was taken but it will take some weeks to get the

> results.

>

> But here's a question: I've been having this horrible burning

skin

> sensation for many weeks now. It feels like the skin is sunburn

or like

> I had some acid under the skin stinging. It's pretty much all

over the

> body but mostly in arms, elbows, wrists, knees, thighs and

calves.

> Sometimes in the face too. It comes and goes. But usually it's

worse if

> I eat something with sugar in it. It usually disappears after the

> shower but comes back maybe an hour later.

>

> Any idea/experiences what could this be? A mercury problem? (I

have 5

> amalgams in my mouth) Or some other heavy metal maybe? I'm

getting

> pretty desperate with this.

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Joni

>

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I have posted this at NTH Thyroid and Adrenals too, but wanted a

MERCURY perspective on things, if somebody has any understanding of

what is gong on.

Now that I am completey off of thyroid of any sort for some time now,

and only on adrenal support,, my temps are consistently too high, and

my basal temp has come up to normal for the first time.

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

I have posted this at NTH Thyroid and Adrenals too, but wanted a

MERCURY perspective on things, if somebody has any understanding of

what is gong on.

Now that I am completey off of thyroid of any sort for some time now,

and only on adrenal support,, my temps are consistently too high, and

my basal temp has come up to normal for the first time.

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

I have posted this at NTH Thyroid and Adrenals too, but wanted a

MERCURY perspective on things, if somebody has any understanding of

what is gong on.

Now that I am completey off of thyroid of any sort for some time now,

and only on adrenal support,, my temps are consistently too high, and

my basal temp has come up to normal for the first time.

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there. And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick). It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

Thanks a million!

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there. And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick). It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

Thanks a million!

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there. And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick). It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

Thanks a million!

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi Joni, few more comments below, starting with ==========Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there.

========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that are not true

chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often causing more problems

and symptoms, which we refer to here as redistribution. Since you reacted like

that, I would suggest you stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if

your doctor recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying something

again.----Jackie

And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

=======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when you still

have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that crosses the blood brain

barrier, and if you have a high body burden of mercury (very likely with

amalgams still in), then you might be putting more mercury in your brain by

using it now. It may have made you feel a little better because it is a great

antioxidant, but it is safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your

amalgams have been removed. Using it improperly can cause more

redistribution.-----------Jackie

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick).

=========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed reaction to taking

two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my doses, I didn't have any

immediate reactions to it, but after I finished the second course, I started

feeling worse, worse than since before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of

mercury had been stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt like

mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only thing that seems

to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's interesting to me that you

reacted also. Check the archives, because this was discussed earlier this

fall.------------Jackie

It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

=============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or some kind of

reaction happened to me also after having that type of antibiotic.--------Jackie

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

=========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to their tests, but

realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW hair mercury because they are

poor excretors of it. That's where the counting rules for the essential

elements comes in for determining probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury

was very low, but I met two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral

transport caused by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them,

because and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly sound like

they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free dentist yet?--------Jackie

Thanks a million!

===============Your welcome. It feels good to try to help

others.--------Jackie

Joni

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Hi Joni, few more comments below, starting with ==========Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there.

========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that are not true

chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often causing more problems

and symptoms, which we refer to here as redistribution. Since you reacted like

that, I would suggest you stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if

your doctor recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying something

again.----Jackie

And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

=======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when you still

have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that crosses the blood brain

barrier, and if you have a high body burden of mercury (very likely with

amalgams still in), then you might be putting more mercury in your brain by

using it now. It may have made you feel a little better because it is a great

antioxidant, but it is safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your

amalgams have been removed. Using it improperly can cause more

redistribution.-----------Jackie

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick).

=========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed reaction to taking

two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my doses, I didn't have any

immediate reactions to it, but after I finished the second course, I started

feeling worse, worse than since before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of

mercury had been stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt like

mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only thing that seems

to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's interesting to me that you

reacted also. Check the archives, because this was discussed earlier this

fall.------------Jackie

It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

=============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or some kind of

reaction happened to me also after having that type of antibiotic.--------Jackie

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

=========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to their tests, but

realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW hair mercury because they are

poor excretors of it. That's where the counting rules for the essential

elements comes in for determining probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury

was very low, but I met two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral

transport caused by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them,

because and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly sound like

they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free dentist yet?--------Jackie

Thanks a million!

===============Your welcome. It feels good to try to help

others.--------Jackie

Joni

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Hi Joni, few more comments below, starting with ==========Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi Jackie, many thanks for the info.

>

> -------------So you only took it for 3 days, and the burning is

still happening 3 months later? You never took the stuff again? Did

you take ALA in the meantime, or anything else different, like MSM or

chlorella?----------Jackie

>

Joni: Yes. Only 3 days and never again. And it's still happening 3

months later. I waited maybe about a month and then I started trying

if some supplements would help. First I tried Chlorella once which

made the pains worse so I stopped that right there. After that I

tried MSM, same thing, stopped there.

========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that are not true

chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often causing more problems

and symptoms, which we refer to here as redistribution. Since you reacted like

that, I would suggest you stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if

your doctor recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying something

again.----Jackie

And the last thing I tried was

ALA, didn't make it worse but rather helped a bit I think. So every

now and then I have taken it, quite rarely though, maybe once a week

or something.

=======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when you still

have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that crosses the blood brain

barrier, and if you have a high body burden of mercury (very likely with

amalgams still in), then you might be putting more mercury in your brain by

using it now. It may have made you feel a little better because it is a great

antioxidant, but it is safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your

amalgams have been removed. Using it improperly can cause more

redistribution.-----------Jackie

Now, this *could* have something to do with the awful fluoroquinolone

antibiotic poisoning that I went through last February (took only 2

pills and got very sick).

=========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed reaction to taking

two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my doses, I didn't have any

immediate reactions to it, but after I finished the second course, I started

feeling worse, worse than since before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of

mercury had been stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt like

mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only thing that seems

to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's interesting to me that you

reacted also. Check the archives, because this was discussed earlier this

fall.------------Jackie

It is a known fact that it might cause

neuropathy. I got that last spring but it was gone for many months

already. It sounds crazy but somehow I feel that the herbal

supplement might have raised that poison from the dead from its

hiding places in the body and it's in the bloodstream now causing

trouble. Sounds insane I know but these horrible drugs have caused a

lot more scary thing than this.

=============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or some kind of

reaction happened to me also after having that type of antibiotic.--------Jackie

>

> ---------Are you getting your hair test from Doctor's Data? I

hope so, then we can help you interpret it, and apply Andy's counting

rules. And alot of doctors are clueless, I haven't found one with a

clue yet either! She is probably trying to help, but I would trust

Andy's advice as far as supplements and chelation. Many alternative

doctors believe sulfury foods and supplements are good for ALL

mercury toxic people, and alot of them don't know that ALA is

actually a chelator and needs to be used properly, so you have to be

careful and not blindly follow whatever they say. Many of us have

learned that the hard way.

>

> And if you do have arsenic also, DMPS and ALA will both chelate

that, along with the mercury, so you don't have to do anything

different for that.----------Jackie

Joni: I'm getting a test from Great Smokies Lab.

=========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to their tests, but

realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW hair mercury because they are

poor excretors of it. That's where the counting rules for the essential

elements comes in for determining probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury

was very low, but I met two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral

transport caused by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them,

because and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

> -------------My best suggestion would be to learn about the

sulfury things, and try excluding them from your diet and

supplements, and see if that helps.

>

> When are you getting your amalgams removed? Then you could start

proper chelation, which should hopefully start helping too. Good

luck.----------Jackie

Joni: Soon. I just want to see the test results first.

===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly sound like

they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free dentist yet?--------Jackie

Thanks a million!

===============Your welcome. It feels good to try to help

others.--------Jackie

Joni

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Hi again Jackie... it's again the time of the day when the burning is

really intense. It feels right now like someone was barbequeing

inside of me. Only a shower gives a short relief. :/ And strong

painkillers too but I'd rather not take them. Some comments of mine

are below:

>

> >

> ========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that

are not true chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often

causing more problems and symptoms, which we refer to here as

redistribution. Since you reacted like that, I would suggest you

stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if your doctor

recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying

something again.----Jackie

Joni: I see. Here is a dumb question: which foods and supplement are

sulfury, can you give some examples? I will try to find some info

about on the net.

>>

> =======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when

you still have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that

crosses the blood brain barrier, and if you have a high body burden

of mercury (very likely with amalgams still in), then you might be

putting more mercury in your brain by using it now. It may have made

you feel a little better because it is a great antioxidant, but it is

safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your amalgams have

been removed. Using it improperly can cause more redistribution.-----

------Jackie

Joni: Ok. Will stop taking ALA.

>> =========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed

reaction to taking two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my

doses, I didn't have any immediate reactions to it, but after I

finished the second course, I started feeling worse, worse than since

before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of mercury had been

stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt

like mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only

thing that seems to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's

interesting to me that you reacted also. Check the archives, because

this was discussed earlier this fall.------------Jackie

Joni: Oh boy you too!!! I wonder how many of us " floxies " there

really are. They are awful poisons. I took Floxin which belongs to

the same group as Levaquin. Have you read the sites about them on the

net?

>>

> =============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or

some kind of reaction happened to me also after having that type of

antibiotic.--------Jackie

Joni: Exactly what kind of reaction did you have, what symptoms?

>>

> =========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to

their tests, but realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW

hair mercury because they are poor excretors of it. That's where the

counting rules for the essential elements comes in for determining

probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury was very low, but I met

two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral transport caused

by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them, because

and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

Joni: Okay I will do that!!

>

>

>

>

> ===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly

sound like they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free

dentist yet?--------Jackie

Joni: Yep, I believe there is one in my town here.

Thanks again!

Joni

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Jackie... it's again the time of the day when the burning is

really intense. It feels right now like someone was barbequeing

inside of me. Only a shower gives a short relief. :/ And strong

painkillers too but I'd rather not take them. Some comments of mine

are below:

>

> >

> ========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that

are not true chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often

causing more problems and symptoms, which we refer to here as

redistribution. Since you reacted like that, I would suggest you

stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if your doctor

recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying

something again.----Jackie

Joni: I see. Here is a dumb question: which foods and supplement are

sulfury, can you give some examples? I will try to find some info

about on the net.

>>

> =======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when

you still have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that

crosses the blood brain barrier, and if you have a high body burden

of mercury (very likely with amalgams still in), then you might be

putting more mercury in your brain by using it now. It may have made

you feel a little better because it is a great antioxidant, but it is

safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your amalgams have

been removed. Using it improperly can cause more redistribution.-----

------Jackie

Joni: Ok. Will stop taking ALA.

>> =========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed

reaction to taking two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my

doses, I didn't have any immediate reactions to it, but after I

finished the second course, I started feeling worse, worse than since

before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of mercury had been

stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt

like mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only

thing that seems to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's

interesting to me that you reacted also. Check the archives, because

this was discussed earlier this fall.------------Jackie

Joni: Oh boy you too!!! I wonder how many of us " floxies " there

really are. They are awful poisons. I took Floxin which belongs to

the same group as Levaquin. Have you read the sites about them on the

net?

>>

> =============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or

some kind of reaction happened to me also after having that type of

antibiotic.--------Jackie

Joni: Exactly what kind of reaction did you have, what symptoms?

>>

> =========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to

their tests, but realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW

hair mercury because they are poor excretors of it. That's where the

counting rules for the essential elements comes in for determining

probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury was very low, but I met

two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral transport caused

by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them, because

and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

Joni: Okay I will do that!!

>

>

>

>

> ===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly

sound like they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free

dentist yet?--------Jackie

Joni: Yep, I believe there is one in my town here.

Thanks again!

Joni

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Jackie... it's again the time of the day when the burning is

really intense. It feels right now like someone was barbequeing

inside of me. Only a shower gives a short relief. :/ And strong

painkillers too but I'd rather not take them. Some comments of mine

are below:

>

> >

> ========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that

are not true chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often

causing more problems and symptoms, which we refer to here as

redistribution. Since you reacted like that, I would suggest you

stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if your doctor

recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying

something again.----Jackie

Joni: I see. Here is a dumb question: which foods and supplement are

sulfury, can you give some examples? I will try to find some info

about on the net.

>>

> =======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when

you still have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that

crosses the blood brain barrier, and if you have a high body burden

of mercury (very likely with amalgams still in), then you might be

putting more mercury in your brain by using it now. It may have made

you feel a little better because it is a great antioxidant, but it is

safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your amalgams have

been removed. Using it improperly can cause more redistribution.-----

------Jackie

Joni: Ok. Will stop taking ALA.

>> =========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed

reaction to taking two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my

doses, I didn't have any immediate reactions to it, but after I

finished the second course, I started feeling worse, worse than since

before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of mercury had been

stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt

like mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only

thing that seems to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's

interesting to me that you reacted also. Check the archives, because

this was discussed earlier this fall.------------Jackie

Joni: Oh boy you too!!! I wonder how many of us " floxies " there

really are. They are awful poisons. I took Floxin which belongs to

the same group as Levaquin. Have you read the sites about them on the

net?

>>

> =============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or

some kind of reaction happened to me also after having that type of

antibiotic.--------Jackie

Joni: Exactly what kind of reaction did you have, what symptoms?

>>

> =========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to

their tests, but realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW

hair mercury because they are poor excretors of it. That's where the

counting rules for the essential elements comes in for determining

probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury was very low, but I met

two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral transport caused

by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them, because

and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

Joni: Okay I will do that!!

>

>

>

>

> ===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly

sound like they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free

dentist yet?--------Jackie

Joni: Yep, I believe there is one in my town here.

Thanks again!

Joni

>

[Guest guest]

Oh one more thing: I forgot to mention that I am also taking

Glutathione complex which has glutathione, glutamine, glycine,

metionine an cysteine. Maybe I should stop taking that also? My doc

gave me that because according to the liver test I have no glutathione

at all in my liver.

Joni

[Guest guest]

Oh one more thing: I forgot to mention that I am also taking

Glutathione complex which has glutathione, glutamine, glycine,

metionine an cysteine. Maybe I should stop taking that also? My doc

gave me that because according to the liver test I have no glutathione

at all in my liver.

Joni

[Guest guest]

Comments below starting with ========Jackie

(Sorry! After I was all done, I realized I used this last time, but no time to

change all of them!)

In frequent-dose-chelation , Joni wrote:

Hi again Jackie... it's again the time of the day when the burning is

really intense. It feels right now like someone was barbequeing

inside of me.

=========This really sounds awful, Joni, I wish I knew exactly what to do for

you! You'll just have to keep thinking and trying to figure out what is causing

it. Do you exercise? That can mobilize mercury and make you feel worse

afterwards. Otherwise, I would keep thinking about foods and supplements as a

possible source of the problem. And I would definitely pursue amalgam removal,

so you can start/try chelation.-------------Jackie

Only a shower gives a short relief. :/ And strong

painkillers too but I'd rather not take them.

===============At least a shower gives you some relief. I know, I try not to

take stuff like painkillers, but sometimes you have to do what you have to

do.-------Jackie

Some comments of mine

are below:

>

> >

> ========Chlorella and MSM are single-thiol sulfury things that

are not true chelators, and usually just stir up more mercury, often

causing more problems and symptoms, which we refer to here as

redistribution. Since you reacted like that, I would suggest you

stay away from sulfury supplements and foods. And if your doctor

recommended these to you, then I would be wary of what else he/she

recommends, so check here or do some research yourself before trying

something again.----Jackie

Joni: I see. Here is a dumb question: which foods and supplement are

sulfury, can you give some examples? I will try to find some info

about on the net.

==============Do you have Andy's book, Amalgam Illness? Since you're a member

of this group, I was assuming you do. If you do, read pages 195-196, where he

talks about sulfur foods and supplements, and page 199, where he talks about

single and double thiols (double thiols are true chelators like DMSA, DMPS, and

ALA; single thiols are sulfury foods and supplements wich weakly grab onto

mercury and then probably drop it again, causing more redistribution and

possibly more damage, and hence symptoms.)

Some sulfur food examples: eggs, dairy products, things containing whey,

cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, etc, turnips, asparagus,

onions, garlic, and coffee. There are more.

Some sulfury supplements: cysteine, glutathione, MSM, DMSO, chlorella, dairy

source acidophilus, extracts of the above vegetables, and possibly herbal

extracts might have single thiols in them.

If you haven't yet, I suggest you click on Visit Your Group on the side of

these messages, and do some reading in the Links and Files sections. Lots of

good info there. Here is one of the links to the ANDY INDEX, where you can read

about lots of topics, including sulfur foods and supplements. And also get the

book, if you don't have it. It can be overwhelming, but we can point you to

certain pages on certain topics.----------Jackie

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

>>

> =======The protocol here is not to use ALA (or any chelator) when

you still have amalgams in your mouth. It is a true chelator that

crosses the blood brain barrier, and if you have a high body burden

of mercury (very likely with amalgams still in), then you might be

putting more mercury in your brain by using it now. It may have made

you feel a little better because it is a great antioxidant, but it is

safest to wait to use it at least 3 months after your amalgams have

been removed. Using it improperly can cause more redistribution.-----

------Jackie

Joni: Ok. Will stop taking ALA.

>> =========Which antibiotic? I seemed to have had a delayed

reaction to taking two courses of Levaquin this fall. I took all my

doses, I didn't have any immediate reactions to it, but after I

finished the second course, I started feeling worse, worse than since

before amalgam removal, like a whole bunch of mercury had been

stirred up, causing lots of redistribution and symptoms. It

definitely caused yeast/candida too, but these symptoms really felt

like mercury. So I have had a huge setback from this, and the only

thing that seems to be helping is rounds of chelation. So it's

interesting to me that you reacted also. Check the archives, because

this was discussed earlier this fall.------------Jackie

Joni: Oh boy you too!!! I wonder how many of us " floxies " there

really are. They are awful poisons. I took Floxin which belongs to

the same group as Levaquin. Have you read the sites about them on the

net?

=============No I haven't. We only discussed it here. Someone else who

doesn't post very often, said he had reacted badly also. You could search for

past posts by " ARCTIC CAT " and quinolones. If you have some links for me to

look at, that would be great.-------------------Jackie

>>

> =============It doesn't sound crazy to me, because something or

some kind of reaction happened to me also after having that type of

antibiotic.--------Jackie

Joni: Exactly what kind of reaction did you have, what symptoms?

===========I didn't notice anything right away or even while I was taking

them. I had IV antibiotics and then 10 days of Levaquin after my appendix

ruptured in August. I can't say that I noticed anything then, but I was pretty

wiped out by the whole experience, and I'm sure my body needed the antibiotics

to fight the infection. Then I was given another 6 days of Levaquin in early

October after having an upper GI, where they biopsied a cyst in my abdomen next

to my stomach. This was just pecautionary, since they punctured the cyst, and

where concerned about infection, especially because of my recent appendix

infection. Anyway, I also took those doses just fine, no immediate reaction to

them either. What I did notice right away was an increase in yeast, intestinal

and vaginal infection, which didn't surprise me. The first round caused some

yeast, not too bad, but the second dose really set that off big time. And I

felt worse from taking too much/many antifungals, and had to be careful not to

try to go too fast. But sometime after that second dose of Levaquin, I started

feeling worse mentally and emotionally, much worse actually, and it really felt

like a big stir-up of mercury symptoms. I actually felt worse in October after

that procedure and dose of Levaquin, than I had felt in September, right after

my appendix ordeal. So something in October made me much worse, and I have

suspected the Levaquin, but I don't know for sure. It sure seems like something

stirred up the mercury, because I have been feeling quite bad when not on a

round, more noticeable than before all this happened, and the only thing that

seems to help is being on a round. And my first couple rounds of chelation

after this happened weren't as smooth as before either, I had somewhat of a

headache the first day or two, which usually doesn't happen to me, and that has

gone away again now. I have slowly started to feel a little more mentally and

emotionally stable, which I account to rounds of chelation. Anyway, sorry to

ramble on about this, but I have basically felt pretty crappy all fall, after

those 2 rounds of Levaquin.---------Jackie

>>

> =========I don't think you can apply Andy's counting rules to

their tests, but realize that alot of mercury toxic people have LOW

hair mercury because they are poor excretors of it. That's where the

counting rules for the essential elements comes in for determining

probable mercury poisoning. My hair mercury was very low, but I met

two of the counting rules, meaning deranged mineral transport caused

by mercury poisoning. Post your results when you get them, because

and Dean are pretty good at reading them.-------------Jackie

>

Joni: Okay I will do that!!

>

>

>

>

> ===========Good. Your symptoms and reactions to things certainly

sound like they could be mercury. Have you found a mercury free

dentist yet?--------Jackie

Joni: Yep, I believe there is one in my town here.

=============Check him out, see if you can talk to anybody who has been to

him. Check to see if he is a member of the IAOMT (it's the association of

mercury free dentists, their version of ADA), go to this website and click on

look for a dentist: www.iaomt.org You can also call DAMS (Dental Amalgam

Mercury Syndrome) and request an info packet and list of dentists in your area.

1- They're ok for dental info, but we don't follow their chelation

advice.--------Jackie

Thanks again!

=============You're welcome again! Gotta run and get in the shower. Lucky me

is due for a dental cleaning.----------Jackie

Joni

>

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