Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I can tell you that my toxic elements increased after a year of chelation and my essentials got even lower. But as to what others can expect, who knows. -- > > Hi, > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I can tell you that my toxic elements increased after a year of chelation and my essentials got even lower. But as to what others can expect, who knows. -- > > Hi, > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I can tell you that my toxic elements increased after a year of chelation and my essentials got even lower. But as to what others can expect, who knows. -- > > Hi, > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I am just approaching 1yr of DMSA/ALA, 25/50mg. My toxic elements have continually dropped and are very low on a HMA, lead slowly, mercury rapidly. Essentials are not normalised yet. Probably all in the organs now and slowly coming out. Going to move on with ala only for the next 50 rounds and see how things go. For me interesting thing was if I had continued exposure to a metal it would always show in the HMA after around 3 months, so for me testing every 3 months helped because I have now eleiminated all toxic sources which got rid of other slight issues like arsenic and aluminium Phil > > > > Hi, > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I am just approaching 1yr of DMSA/ALA, 25/50mg. My toxic elements have continually dropped and are very low on a HMA, lead slowly, mercury rapidly. Essentials are not normalised yet. Probably all in the organs now and slowly coming out. Going to move on with ala only for the next 50 rounds and see how things go. For me interesting thing was if I had continued exposure to a metal it would always show in the HMA after around 3 months, so for me testing every 3 months helped because I have now eleiminated all toxic sources which got rid of other slight issues like arsenic and aluminium Phil > > > > Hi, > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I am just approaching 1yr of DMSA/ALA, 25/50mg. My toxic elements have continually dropped and are very low on a HMA, lead slowly, mercury rapidly. Essentials are not normalised yet. Probably all in the organs now and slowly coming out. Going to move on with ala only for the next 50 rounds and see how things go. For me interesting thing was if I had continued exposure to a metal it would always show in the HMA after around 3 months, so for me testing every 3 months helped because I have now eleiminated all toxic sources which got rid of other slight issues like arsenic and aluminium Phil > > > > Hi, > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 philallen876546 wrote: helped because I have now eleiminated all toxic sources which got rid of other slight issues like arsenic and aluminium ~Nahla: Could you tell me what you found to be the biggest contributers to exposure to your toxic exposure? > > > > Hi, > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 > > Hi, > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? TK--- depends on a lot of factors > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. TK-- you will not be able to track this accurately if at all, it is going to vary a lot. Hg hair levels I would [think] go down with time as it gets bound intracellularly and is no longer available to excretion in the hair, mine did. > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 > > Hi, > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? TK--- depends on a lot of factors > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. TK-- you will not be able to track this accurately if at all, it is going to vary a lot. Hg hair levels I would [think] go down with time as it gets bound intracellularly and is no longer available to excretion in the hair, mine did. > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Would it be possible for us to view a progression of your tests? I can remove your name and put them all up here for us to see: http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html I would love to see what has happened. If so please send them to me. Thanks, Dean Re: Hair Test Changes I am just approaching 1yr of DMSA/ALA, 25/50mg. My toxic elements have continually dropped and are very low on a HMA, lead slowly, mercury rapidly. Essentials are not normalised yet. Probably all in the organs now and slowly coming out. Going to move on with ala only for the next 50 rounds and see how things go. For me interesting thing was if I had continued exposure to a metal it would always show in the HMA after around 3 months, so for me testing every 3 months helped because I have now eleiminated all toxic sources which got rid of other slight issues like arsenic and aluminium Phil > > > > Hi, > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after chelating? > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead rise as we are moving it > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I found all sorts of things like using foil while cooking- aluminium. arsenic seemed to drop right down after dropping my bottled mineral water which was volvic, before then it was always highish. Copper is known to be high in avocado's, I can eat 1-2 a week any more and my copper goes red on a HMA after about 3 months. I think those were the main ones Phil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after > chelating? > > > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead > rise as we are moving it > > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I found all sorts of things like using foil while cooking- aluminium. arsenic seemed to drop right down after dropping my bottled mineral water which was volvic, before then it was always highish. Copper is known to be high in avocado's, I can eat 1-2 a week any more and my copper goes red on a HMA after about 3 months. I think those were the main ones Phil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after > chelating? > > > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead > rise as we are moving it > > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I found all sorts of things like using foil while cooking- aluminium. arsenic seemed to drop right down after dropping my bottled mineral water which was volvic, before then it was always highish. Copper is known to be high in avocado's, I can eat 1-2 a week any more and my copper goes red on a HMA after about 3 months. I think those were the main ones Phil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > When you we expect changes to take place in hair tests after > chelating? > > > > > > Once we start chelating are we likely to see mercury and lead > rise as we are moving it > > around, and then fall, or does it just fall from the onset. > > > > > > Anybody with some insight into expected changes would be great. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 > > What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral > transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more > until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I have done about 10 hair tests each for myself and my daughter, roughly every 2 months to track copper. It took about 1.5 years of chelation for each of us to stop meeting any counting rules. I attribute this to both chelation and supplementation. I certainly don't think either of us are anywhere near done. Hair tests don't tell if your brain has mercury. Along the way, we've seen huge variation in lots of the essential elements. We haven't consistently met the same counting rules. Some tests were all low and that probably improved with taking digestive enzymes, betaine Hcl, etc. Other things we've seen: Lead has gone way up. Apparently this happens as lead leaves your bones with chelation. My daughter's lead is currently 12. Uranium has gone up and come down. I attribute this to both of us starting to take iron supplements. Uranium is also stored in the bones. Thyroid and adrenal problems that resolved with appropriate supports. Manganese got very high for me, so I stopped taking supplements that had it. Molybdenum is currently very high for me. I've supplemented it heavily for a long time due to high hair copper and low plasma sulfate. I'm tapering back on that. Nickel was off the charts red (9.4) for me in 2002. About 2.5 years later just before I started chelation, it had come down to mid-yellow. I have no idea why that happened. My only guess is that I might have been eating too much hydrogenated fat in 2002. Neither of us show much mercury. My autistic daughter showed yellow mercury on one test about 6 months after starting chelation, but other than than it has been fairly low green for each of us. Right now, neither of us shows any measurable mercury in our hair. Since we haven't done a whole lot of ALA we might not yet have gotten the 2nd peak of mercury excretion that is shown on pg. 52 of Amalgam Illness. Total toxic elements was pretty random. When lead and uranium started coming out of our bones, that was good, but total toxic elements went up. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 > > What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral > transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more > until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I have done about 10 hair tests each for myself and my daughter, roughly every 2 months to track copper. It took about 1.5 years of chelation for each of us to stop meeting any counting rules. I attribute this to both chelation and supplementation. I certainly don't think either of us are anywhere near done. Hair tests don't tell if your brain has mercury. Along the way, we've seen huge variation in lots of the essential elements. We haven't consistently met the same counting rules. Some tests were all low and that probably improved with taking digestive enzymes, betaine Hcl, etc. Other things we've seen: Lead has gone way up. Apparently this happens as lead leaves your bones with chelation. My daughter's lead is currently 12. Uranium has gone up and come down. I attribute this to both of us starting to take iron supplements. Uranium is also stored in the bones. Thyroid and adrenal problems that resolved with appropriate supports. Manganese got very high for me, so I stopped taking supplements that had it. Molybdenum is currently very high for me. I've supplemented it heavily for a long time due to high hair copper and low plasma sulfate. I'm tapering back on that. Nickel was off the charts red (9.4) for me in 2002. About 2.5 years later just before I started chelation, it had come down to mid-yellow. I have no idea why that happened. My only guess is that I might have been eating too much hydrogenated fat in 2002. Neither of us show much mercury. My autistic daughter showed yellow mercury on one test about 6 months after starting chelation, but other than than it has been fairly low green for each of us. Right now, neither of us shows any measurable mercury in our hair. Since we haven't done a whole lot of ALA we might not yet have gotten the 2nd peak of mercury excretion that is shown on pg. 52 of Amalgam Illness. Total toxic elements was pretty random. When lead and uranium started coming out of our bones, that was good, but total toxic elements went up. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 > > What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral > transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more > until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I have done about 10 hair tests each for myself and my daughter, roughly every 2 months to track copper. It took about 1.5 years of chelation for each of us to stop meeting any counting rules. I attribute this to both chelation and supplementation. I certainly don't think either of us are anywhere near done. Hair tests don't tell if your brain has mercury. Along the way, we've seen huge variation in lots of the essential elements. We haven't consistently met the same counting rules. Some tests were all low and that probably improved with taking digestive enzymes, betaine Hcl, etc. Other things we've seen: Lead has gone way up. Apparently this happens as lead leaves your bones with chelation. My daughter's lead is currently 12. Uranium has gone up and come down. I attribute this to both of us starting to take iron supplements. Uranium is also stored in the bones. Thyroid and adrenal problems that resolved with appropriate supports. Manganese got very high for me, so I stopped taking supplements that had it. Molybdenum is currently very high for me. I've supplemented it heavily for a long time due to high hair copper and low plasma sulfate. I'm tapering back on that. Nickel was off the charts red (9.4) for me in 2002. About 2.5 years later just before I started chelation, it had come down to mid-yellow. I have no idea why that happened. My only guess is that I might have been eating too much hydrogenated fat in 2002. Neither of us show much mercury. My autistic daughter showed yellow mercury on one test about 6 months after starting chelation, but other than than it has been fairly low green for each of us. Right now, neither of us shows any measurable mercury in our hair. Since we haven't done a whole lot of ALA we might not yet have gotten the 2nd peak of mercury excretion that is shown on pg. 52 of Amalgam Illness. Total toxic elements was pretty random. When lead and uranium started coming out of our bones, that was good, but total toxic elements went up. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Thank you so much for posting about all your hair tests, W, and your daughter's. I don't think many people have had that many done, so it is very interesting to read about the changes you have seen. I have also been supplementing molybdenum for a long time because of low plasma sulfate, and that is another reason I really need to do another hair test soon, to see if any of these levels have significantly changed. Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation , weinert56 wrote: > > What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral > transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more > until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I have done about 10 hair tests each for myself and my daughter, roughly every 2 months to track copper. It took about 1.5 years of chelation for each of us to stop meeting any counting rules. I attribute this to both chelation and supplementation. I certainly don't think either of us are anywhere near done. Hair tests don't tell if your brain has mercury. Along the way, we've seen huge variation in lots of the essential elements. We haven't consistently met the same counting rules. Some tests were all low and that probably improved with taking digestive enzymes, betaine Hcl, etc. Other things we've seen: Lead has gone way up. Apparently this happens as lead leaves your bones with chelation. My daughter's lead is currently 12. Uranium has gone up and come down. I attribute this to both of us starting to take iron supplements. Uranium is also stored in the bones. Thyroid and adrenal problems that resolved with appropriate supports. Manganese got very high for me, so I stopped taking supplements that had it. Molybdenum is currently very high for me. I've supplemented it heavily for a long time due to high hair copper and low plasma sulfate. I'm tapering back on that. Nickel was off the charts red (9.4) for me in 2002. About 2.5 years later just before I started chelation, it had come down to mid-yellow. I have no idea why that happened. My only guess is that I might have been eating too much hydrogenated fat in 2002. Neither of us show much mercury. My autistic daughter showed yellow mercury on one test about 6 months after starting chelation, but other than than it has been fairly low green for each of us. Right now, neither of us shows any measurable mercury in our hair. Since we haven't done a whole lot of ALA we might not yet have gotten the 2nd peak of mercury excretion that is shown on pg. 52 of Amalgam Illness. Total toxic elements was pretty random. When lead and uranium started coming out of our bones, that was good, but total toxic elements went up. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Thank you so much for posting about all your hair tests, W, and your daughter's. I don't think many people have had that many done, so it is very interesting to read about the changes you have seen. I have also been supplementing molybdenum for a long time because of low plasma sulfate, and that is another reason I really need to do another hair test soon, to see if any of these levels have significantly changed. Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation , weinert56 wrote: > > What you can hope for after a year or two (if you're lucky), is that mineral > transport will normalize. After that you keep chelating a bunch more > until symptoms resolve and you can get off supplements. I have done about 10 hair tests each for myself and my daughter, roughly every 2 months to track copper. It took about 1.5 years of chelation for each of us to stop meeting any counting rules. I attribute this to both chelation and supplementation. I certainly don't think either of us are anywhere near done. Hair tests don't tell if your brain has mercury. Along the way, we've seen huge variation in lots of the essential elements. We haven't consistently met the same counting rules. Some tests were all low and that probably improved with taking digestive enzymes, betaine Hcl, etc. Other things we've seen: Lead has gone way up. Apparently this happens as lead leaves your bones with chelation. My daughter's lead is currently 12. Uranium has gone up and come down. I attribute this to both of us starting to take iron supplements. Uranium is also stored in the bones. Thyroid and adrenal problems that resolved with appropriate supports. Manganese got very high for me, so I stopped taking supplements that had it. Molybdenum is currently very high for me. I've supplemented it heavily for a long time due to high hair copper and low plasma sulfate. I'm tapering back on that. Nickel was off the charts red (9.4) for me in 2002. About 2.5 years later just before I started chelation, it had come down to mid-yellow. I have no idea why that happened. My only guess is that I might have been eating too much hydrogenated fat in 2002. Neither of us show much mercury. My autistic daughter showed yellow mercury on one test about 6 months after starting chelation, but other than than it has been fairly low green for each of us. Right now, neither of us shows any measurable mercury in our hair. Since we haven't done a whole lot of ALA we might not yet have gotten the 2nd peak of mercury excretion that is shown on pg. 52 of Amalgam Illness. Total toxic elements was pretty random. When lead and uranium started coming out of our bones, that was good, but total toxic elements went up. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Dean, could you please post my hair test results? I have posted it here in jpg format. I don't have any way of getting them into pdf format. Thanks. http://www.tumbleweedrocks.com/images/hairtest20406.jpg > > Would it be possible for us to view a progression of your tests? > I can remove your name and put them all up here for us to see: > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html > I would love to see what has happened. > If so please send them to me. > Thanks, > Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Dean, could you please post my hair test results? I have posted it here in jpg format. I don't have any way of getting them into pdf format. Thanks. Sure , I have posted it as Hair Test 48 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html Please send me your location - city and country I managed to convert it into PDF. The PDF format is helpful because it takes up much less space meaning I can store more tests and keep them up to refer to indefinitely. That is why Direct Labs is good to order hair tests through because they email you the results in PDF format. Then we can just take the front page and upload it. Anybody else is welcome to post their hair test too if they would like. I hope we can all learn from them. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Dean, could you please post my hair test results? I have posted it here in jpg format. I don't have any way of getting them into pdf format. Thanks. Sure , I have posted it as Hair Test 48 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html Please send me your location - city and country I managed to convert it into PDF. The PDF format is helpful because it takes up much less space meaning I can store more tests and keep them up to refer to indefinitely. That is why Direct Labs is good to order hair tests through because they email you the results in PDF format. Then we can just take the front page and upload it. Anybody else is welcome to post their hair test too if they would like. I hope we can all learn from them. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Dean, could you please post my hair test results? I have posted it here in jpg format. I don't have any way of getting them into pdf format. Thanks. Sure , I have posted it as Hair Test 48 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html Please send me your location - city and country I managed to convert it into PDF. The PDF format is helpful because it takes up much less space meaning I can store more tests and keep them up to refer to indefinitely. That is why Direct Labs is good to order hair tests through because they email you the results in PDF format. Then we can just take the front page and upload it. Anybody else is welcome to post their hair test too if they would like. I hope we can all learn from them. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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